eugenez_21
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i belive some where in the bible it sayes " When there peace and safty then disaster will strike" not the exect word ill tell my mom to tell me the exect place Well theres no peace yet
Interesting read of an interview with an Arab
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seasalt101
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Tobin, you're walking a thin line... Place nice or play elsewhere. 1Journeyman
seasalt101
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just so everyone knows my ways of thinking are o preserve american lives not to spread hate but since i was a little kid i have studied war i was intrigued with world war 2 the korean war viet nam and the crisis in the middle east the interesting thing with viet nam is they did not want peace till nixon ordered carpet bombing, ww2 ended with atomic weapons today japan is one of our best allies, korea ended unfinished and phase 1 of our iraq war went overwhelmingly well only 82 american casualties if i recall right my heroes were patton, eisenhower, mc arther was over rated and i was good friends with 1 of his grandkids growing up but i believe if we push the button no american deaths they are already paid for the war is over in hours and everyone will be holding there loved ones in a week if i was in power i would push the button...tobin
eugenez_21
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ok I would bet my live on this but i bet if they could press a botton the would do it mighty quickly they hate the crap out of us. So do it first before they get there chance why take a risk and let them get stuff they will use not for good reasons.
eugenez_21
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Originally Posted by seasalt101
just so everyone knows my ways of thinking are o preserve american lives not to spread hate but since i was a little kid i have studied war i was intrigued with world war 2 the korean war viet nam and the crisis in the middle east the interesting thing with viet nam is they did not want peace till nixon ordered carpet bombing, ww2 ended with atomic weapons today japan is one of our best allies, korea ended unfinished and phase 1 of our iraq war went overwhelmingly well only 82 american casualties if i recall right my heroes were patton, eisenhower, mc arther was over rated and i was good friends with 1 of his grandkids growing up but i believe if we push the button no american deaths they are already paid for the war is over in hours and everyone will be holding there loved ones in a week if i was in power i would push the button...tobin
Ill be ur vice president if u come to power ,
just so everyone knows my ways of thinking are o preserve american lives not to spread hate but since i was a little kid i have studied war i was intrigued with world war 2 the korean war viet nam and the crisis in the middle east the interesting thing with viet nam is they did not want peace till nixon ordered carpet bombing, ww2 ended with atomic weapons today japan is one of our best allies, korea ended unfinished and phase 1 of our iraq war went overwhelmingly well only 82 american casualties if i recall right my heroes were patton, eisenhower, mc arther was over rated and i was good friends with 1 of his grandkids growing up but i believe if we push the button no american deaths they are already paid for the war is over in hours and everyone will be holding there loved ones in a week if i was in power i would push the button...tobin
Ill be ur vice president if u come to power ,
seasalt101
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they won't do it because 1st off only 2 countries that have nuclear weapons china and russia can even reach the us russia would condone the act we tell them go get the oil no problem there china knows we could eliminate them but we do to much business with china so they will not do anything either...tobin
1journeyman
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Originally Posted by Jmick
LOL, how long have people been saying this? Come on man, the bible was written by men and is no way the word of god. Granted it has some great stuff in it (the 10 commandments come to mind). If the old testament is also the word of god then why does the old and new have vastly different messages?
We're getting off topic here, but the OT and NT have the same message. The OT points to the NT.
LOL, how long have people been saying this? Come on man, the bible was written by men and is no way the word of god. Granted it has some great stuff in it (the 10 commandments come to mind). If the old testament is also the word of god then why does the old and new have vastly different messages?
We're getting off topic here, but the OT and NT have the same message. The OT points to the NT.
1journeyman
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Now would be a good time to remind everyone that this is a forum on the WWW.
Sharing ideas and beliefs is encouraged and accepted here. Bashing other people's beliefs is not.
let's see if we can't bring this thread back to a more civil discourse before it gets locked.
Sharing ideas and beliefs is encouraged and accepted here. Bashing other people's beliefs is not.
let's see if we can't bring this thread back to a more civil discourse before it gets locked.
seasalt101
Active Member
Originally Posted by 1journeyman
Now would be a good time to remind everyone that this is a forum on the WWW.
Sharing ideas and beliefs is encouraged and accepted here. Bashing other people's beliefs is not.
let's see if we can't bring this thread back to a more civil discourse before it gets locked.
sorry if i offend i have probably apologised 5 times already but when there is a god statement with a lol attached
...tobin
Now would be a good time to remind everyone that this is a forum on the WWW.
Sharing ideas and beliefs is encouraged and accepted here. Bashing other people's beliefs is not.
let's see if we can't bring this thread back to a more civil discourse before it gets locked.
sorry if i offend i have probably apologised 5 times already but when there is a god statement with a lol attached
jmick
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Originally Posted by seasalt101
sorry if i offend i have probably apologised 5 times already but when there is a god statement with a lol attached
...tobin
Well everyone can have their opinions...I was raised as a Catholic and you can blame that upbringing for slanting my view on the religion (perhaps if I had been raised in a baptist household I might have a more positive view).
But for the life of me I just can't wrap my mind around it when someone claims to be a devote christain yet they want to us to bomb and use acts of genocide against another group of people...some who need to be dealt with harshly and many who are innocents. The world is not heading in a dire direction, there has always been conflict and there will always be conflict when we have a direct threat we need to act but when the countries who are our "enemies" can't even launch a missle more the 1000 we have little to fear. We need to focus on the true threat and that is the terrorists and the groups funding them.
sorry if i offend i have probably apologised 5 times already but when there is a god statement with a lol attached
Well everyone can have their opinions...I was raised as a Catholic and you can blame that upbringing for slanting my view on the religion (perhaps if I had been raised in a baptist household I might have a more positive view).
But for the life of me I just can't wrap my mind around it when someone claims to be a devote christain yet they want to us to bomb and use acts of genocide against another group of people...some who need to be dealt with harshly and many who are innocents. The world is not heading in a dire direction, there has always been conflict and there will always be conflict when we have a direct threat we need to act but when the countries who are our "enemies" can't even launch a missle more the 1000 we have little to fear. We need to focus on the true threat and that is the terrorists and the groups funding them.
seasalt101
Active Member
Originally Posted by Jmick
Well everyone can have their opinions...I was raised as a Catholic and you can blame that upbringing for slanting my view on the religion (perhaps if I had been raised in a baptist household I might have a more positive view).
But for the life of me I just can't wrap my mind around it when someone claims to be a devote christain yet they want to us to bomb and use acts of genocide against another group of people...some who need to be dealt with harshly and many who are innocents. The world is not heading in a dire direction, there has always been conflict and there will always be conflict when we have a direct threat we need to act but when the countries who are our "enemies" can't even launch a missle more the 1000 we have little to fear. We need to focus on the true threat and that is the terrorists and the groups funding them.
i agree with you on a lot of points but iran has swore to annihilate israel, and we have always stood by the israelis, and in 3-5 years they will have the means (probably) to attack us directly iran is funding and arming al-quada,plus iran's president is playing the same cat and mouse game with nuclear inspectors as saddam hussein played with u.n inspectors, he also claimed(the iranian president that no one could stop them in their nuclear goals, and as i stated earlier i have studied war since early grade school, so i think i tend to have a little insight to preparations of war, and i see i tyrant on the horizon and seeing that their clerics do not teach peace but hatred to their youth it will be messy in our near future you cannot see that?...tobin
Well everyone can have their opinions...I was raised as a Catholic and you can blame that upbringing for slanting my view on the religion (perhaps if I had been raised in a baptist household I might have a more positive view).
But for the life of me I just can't wrap my mind around it when someone claims to be a devote christain yet they want to us to bomb and use acts of genocide against another group of people...some who need to be dealt with harshly and many who are innocents. The world is not heading in a dire direction, there has always been conflict and there will always be conflict when we have a direct threat we need to act but when the countries who are our "enemies" can't even launch a missle more the 1000 we have little to fear. We need to focus on the true threat and that is the terrorists and the groups funding them.
i agree with you on a lot of points but iran has swore to annihilate israel, and we have always stood by the israelis, and in 3-5 years they will have the means (probably) to attack us directly iran is funding and arming al-quada,plus iran's president is playing the same cat and mouse game with nuclear inspectors as saddam hussein played with u.n inspectors, he also claimed(the iranian president that no one could stop them in their nuclear goals, and as i stated earlier i have studied war since early grade school, so i think i tend to have a little insight to preparations of war, and i see i tyrant on the horizon and seeing that their clerics do not teach peace but hatred to their youth it will be messy in our near future you cannot see that?...tobin
seasalt101
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and with me maybe it takes a tyrant to recognise a tyrant but i am a powerless one, but a god fearing one...tobin
eugenez_21
Member
Originally Posted by Jmick
LOL, how long have people been saying this? Come on man, the bible was written by men and is no way the word of god. Granted it has some great stuff in it (the 10 commandments come to mind). If the old testament is also the word of god then why does the old and new have vastly different messages?
THATS not that funny. Yes the bible was written by HOLY men and Jesus was very peacfull he HELPED everybody. And if u read and understand the bible mostly everything in it has happened or is in the near future.
"I never read the curan but i think Mohamid(srry spelling) killed alot of ppl, and its a religion that sayes to kill all non belevers" thats what i heard about the curan though. And seriaously killing innocent ppl on 911 and getting to go to paradise for it thats a bunch of bull, murder is a SIN.
Thats a comparason of those religions
LOL, how long have people been saying this? Come on man, the bible was written by men and is no way the word of god. Granted it has some great stuff in it (the 10 commandments come to mind). If the old testament is also the word of god then why does the old and new have vastly different messages?
THATS not that funny. Yes the bible was written by HOLY men and Jesus was very peacfull he HELPED everybody. And if u read and understand the bible mostly everything in it has happened or is in the near future.
"I never read the curan but i think Mohamid(srry spelling) killed alot of ppl, and its a religion that sayes to kill all non belevers" thats what i heard about the curan though. And seriaously killing innocent ppl on 911 and getting to go to paradise for it thats a bunch of bull, murder is a SIN.
Thats a comparason of those religions
eugenez_21
Member
Originally Posted by Jmick
I think we have over the years armed our friends in Isreal with a lot of quality military hardware, I'd think they'd be up to the task of handling Iran in a very short period and probably all of their neighbors as well.
Hopefully thats right but their neighbors outnumber them greatly
I think we have over the years armed our friends in Isreal with a lot of quality military hardware, I'd think they'd be up to the task of handling Iran in a very short period and probably all of their neighbors as well.
Hopefully thats right but their neighbors outnumber them greatly
jovial
Member
Originally Posted by Jmick
I love that, makes me happy to not be a christian when your own bible advocates genocide. I can only assume when you saw the news and pics from Rwanda of butcherd babies and kids that you smiled and thought to yourself, "now that is how you kill your enemies". However, I did grow up as a Catholic and from what I remember they tended to promote love and compassion to your fellow man not hate...is this a Southern Baptist thing?
Not this again
I love that, makes me happy to not be a christian when your own bible advocates genocide. I can only assume when you saw the news and pics from Rwanda of butcherd babies and kids that you smiled and thought to yourself, "now that is how you kill your enemies". However, I did grow up as a Catholic and from what I remember they tended to promote love and compassion to your fellow man not hate...is this a Southern Baptist thing?
Not this again
jovial
Member
Originally Posted by Jmick
Just look at what the Hutu's did to the Tutsis back in 94 in Rwanda...you should not only crush your opposition but kill them all including women and childern....still remember the pics of the butchered kids and women and the bodies in the rivers...guess something like that would work for you huh?
If the decision was yours would you allow those who did this to continue or would you crush them completely so they could not do it again?
Just look at what the Hutu's did to the Tutsis back in 94 in Rwanda...you should not only crush your opposition but kill them all including women and childern....still remember the pics of the butchered kids and women and the bodies in the rivers...guess something like that would work for you huh?
If the decision was yours would you allow those who did this to continue or would you crush them completely so they could not do it again?
jmick
Active Member
Originally Posted by Jovial
If the decision was yours would you allow those who did this to continue or would you crush them completely so they could not do it again?
Do yourself a favor and read about the events that transpired in Rwanda...the government was a driving force behind the actions there. I think a lot of the people got caught up in the groups mentality and were swept into it...you certainly didn't want to come off as a sympathizer or your head might have found it's way free of your body. That said, I'd want to see those responsible for organizing and stiring the pot punished accordingly.
If the decision was yours would you allow those who did this to continue or would you crush them completely so they could not do it again?
Do yourself a favor and read about the events that transpired in Rwanda...the government was a driving force behind the actions there. I think a lot of the people got caught up in the groups mentality and were swept into it...you certainly didn't want to come off as a sympathizer or your head might have found it's way free of your body. That said, I'd want to see those responsible for organizing and stiring the pot punished accordingly.
seasalt101
Active Member
Originally Posted by Jmick
Do yourself a favor and read about the events that transpired in Rwanda...the government was a driving force behind the actions there. I think a lot of the people got caught up in the groups mentality and were swept into it...you certainly didn't want to come off as a sympathizer or your head might have found it's way free of your body. That said, I'd want to see those responsible for organizing and stiring the pot punished accordingly.
can you think of a conflict where the government didn't have a hand in it that is way too broad of a statement
Do yourself a favor and read about the events that transpired in Rwanda...the government was a driving force behind the actions there. I think a lot of the people got caught up in the groups mentality and were swept into it...you certainly didn't want to come off as a sympathizer or your head might have found it's way free of your body. That said, I'd want to see those responsible for organizing and stiring the pot punished accordingly.
can you think of a conflict where the government didn't have a hand in it that is way too broad of a statement