It's things like this that give Marine's such a wonderful reputation...
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deejeff442
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should have poured pigs blood on them.really i have a couple friends who are marines and this is nothing to what they tell me goes on.just utube some stuff.i have seen shoulder rockets from marines on there .right after the thing hits its target the soilders are laughing and joking.fine with me what ever gets the job done.
darthtang aw
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ok...those of you asking for punishment...what is a fitting punishment?
you are the judge......what is the sentence for this crime.
your are the da...what is the crime?
you are the judge......what is the sentence for this crime.
your are the da...what is the crime?
darthtang aw
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Look, I think there is a big difference between "in the heat of the moment", and then what these guys did. Let's say that these Taliban were shooting at the Marine's all day and then these four Marine's get in behind them and put a bullet in their head. Then, in a moment of rage from all the pent up fury, fire off another twenty rounds. That I can understand, no questions asked.
However, who knows how long these bodies were dead and gone. The fact that these guys seems so calm and collected, even making jokes about it, leads me to believe that this was far past the point of "heat of the moment".
Like the former soldier on this board said:
The United States prides itself on being the Greatest Nation on Earth regardless of if you agree with that statement or not we as American's should have the maturity and the fortitude to respect all life, even those of our enemies even if that same respect isn’t given in return. Those virtues are what allow us to rise above the rest; these are also the same virtues our founding father envisioned that founded this great nation.
If you give these guys a free pass, then what is going to stop the next group of Marine's from doing the exact same thing. After all, they're just gonna think "well those other guys got off, so who cares?"
As far as Vietnam goes, I was born in 1981, so I can't say I know what that was like. However, I think that there are probably a big group of people in their 50's and up, who equate all people who are "anti war", with people who "don't like soldiers".
Nothing could be further from the truth. I greatly respect and appreciate all our soldiers. However, I don't agree or condone the reasons we are there in the first place. Big money and big government are making the choices here, not the soldiers. They just go where they are told (usually some crap shack in the middle of extremely hostile territory and are expected to fight for the country regardless of why we are there).
In WWII, and prior, we were typically fighting for freedom (either for ourselves or others). Since then in Korea, Vietnam, Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan, etc, we have been there mainly for financial and political reasons wrapped in the lovely "we're fighting for (insert foreign country here's) freedom".
I feel awful for the soldiers because in essence they are nothing more than a pawn in a very large scheme to make a lot of people very wealthy or powerful, and the sad part is it's the soldiers who are the ones laying their life on the line and other than their pay, they get nothing in return.
your ignorance of the military, its history and the history of this country amazes me sometimes.
darthtang aw
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anyone else find it ironic......complaining the big government and big money are the cause of the wars...yet when it come to big government and big money run obamacare...that is ok.......
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deejeff442
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dude i just went to the newt ripping the cnn ahole on utube the other day.i cant get enough of that vid.the man is a genius and he has my vote for sure.
mantisman51
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Originally Posted by Darthtang AW http:///t/389935/its-things-like-this-that-give-marines-such-a-wonderful-reputation/60#post_3451835
your ignorance of the military, its history and the history of this country amazes me sometimes.
I typed a response to all the false and just plain ignorant parts and then deleted it. Like talking to a wall and I figured it would just reduce my IQ credibility wasting the time.
mantis(we won't let them Vietnamize this generation of soldiers and that causes such a lefty panty-twist)man51
Originally Posted by Darthtang AW http:///t/389935/its-things-like-this-that-give-marines-such-a-wonderful-reputation/60#post_3451835
your ignorance of the military, its history and the history of this country amazes me sometimes.
I typed a response to all the false and just plain ignorant parts and then deleted it. Like talking to a wall and I figured it would just reduce my IQ credibility wasting the time.
mantis(we won't let them Vietnamize this generation of soldiers and that causes such a lefty panty-twist)man51
theclemsonkid
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Originally Posted by Darthtang AW http:///t/389935/its-things-like-this-that-give-marines-such-a-wonderful-reputation/60#post_3451835
your ignorance of the military, its history and the history of this country amazes me sometimes.
Because you really believe we went to Iraq because we really gave two hoots about their safety and freedom from Saddam Hussein? We went into Vietnam to try and stop communism. We went into Iraq the first time because there was too much money and oil being compromised in Kuwait. Everything this country does is purely based on financial gain or loss, and if you can't see that then there is no point in arguing with you.
If America was really the moral compass of the world, there are plenty of places where absolute atrocities are going on (Darfur, Syria, half of sub-Saharan Africa, etc) and with our firepower we could end it in two weeks. But surprise, surprise, there is no financial interests in it for us, so we let the killings continue.
Now one could argue that it's important for us to maintain our financial edge in the world, so maybe we should only go into places that like that. And honestly, if that is the case, I'm fine with that, just don't say it's because we're so genuinely concerned about the "freedoms" of other poor, oppressed countries. At least China doesn't pretend that they care about other people when they don't...
Originally Posted by Darthtang AW http:///t/389935/its-things-like-this-that-give-marines-such-a-wonderful-reputation/60#post_3451835
your ignorance of the military, its history and the history of this country amazes me sometimes.
Because you really believe we went to Iraq because we really gave two hoots about their safety and freedom from Saddam Hussein? We went into Vietnam to try and stop communism. We went into Iraq the first time because there was too much money and oil being compromised in Kuwait. Everything this country does is purely based on financial gain or loss, and if you can't see that then there is no point in arguing with you.
If America was really the moral compass of the world, there are plenty of places where absolute atrocities are going on (Darfur, Syria, half of sub-Saharan Africa, etc) and with our firepower we could end it in two weeks. But surprise, surprise, there is no financial interests in it for us, so we let the killings continue.
Now one could argue that it's important for us to maintain our financial edge in the world, so maybe we should only go into places that like that. And honestly, if that is the case, I'm fine with that, just don't say it's because we're so genuinely concerned about the "freedoms" of other poor, oppressed countries. At least China doesn't pretend that they care about other people when they don't...
theclemsonkid
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Originally Posted by mantisman51 http:///t/389935/its-things-like-this-that-give-marines-such-a-wonderful-reputation/60#post_3451873
I typed a response to all the false and just plain ignorant parts and then deleted it. Like talking to a wall and I figured it would just reduce my IQ credibility wasting the time.
mantis(we won't let them Vietnamize this generation of soldiers and that causes such a lefty panty-twist)man51
Again, let me reiterate this point. In the 80's, when people were coming back from the war in Vietnam, they were unfairly spit on, judged, harassed, and treated with zero respect. I find that completely unacceptable and I would have wanted to go after anyone who chose to act that way towards them.
You are lumping all people who you consider to be left leaning and liberal, into the people who 30 years ago spit on soldiers. Stop it already!
There are very, very few liberals who hate soldiers, or want to "Vietnamize" the soldiers in Iraq and Afghanistan. If you are talking about the idiots who chose to urinate on dead bodies and tape it, then yes, most of us are against them. But for the 95% of soldiers who do the right thing, and represent this great country in the right way, we have nothing but respect for them.
Anti war does not = anti soldiers.
I really wish some of you could get that through your thick skulls!
Originally Posted by mantisman51 http:///t/389935/its-things-like-this-that-give-marines-such-a-wonderful-reputation/60#post_3451873
I typed a response to all the false and just plain ignorant parts and then deleted it. Like talking to a wall and I figured it would just reduce my IQ credibility wasting the time.
mantis(we won't let them Vietnamize this generation of soldiers and that causes such a lefty panty-twist)man51
Again, let me reiterate this point. In the 80's, when people were coming back from the war in Vietnam, they were unfairly spit on, judged, harassed, and treated with zero respect. I find that completely unacceptable and I would have wanted to go after anyone who chose to act that way towards them.
You are lumping all people who you consider to be left leaning and liberal, into the people who 30 years ago spit on soldiers. Stop it already!
There are very, very few liberals who hate soldiers, or want to "Vietnamize" the soldiers in Iraq and Afghanistan. If you are talking about the idiots who chose to urinate on dead bodies and tape it, then yes, most of us are against them. But for the 95% of soldiers who do the right thing, and represent this great country in the right way, we have nothing but respect for them.
Anti war does not = anti soldiers.
I really wish some of you could get that through your thick skulls!
stdreb27
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Originally Posted by Darthtang AW http:///t/389935/its-things-like-this-that-give-marines-such-a-wonderful-reputation/60#post_3451834
ok...those of you asking for punishment...what is a fitting punishment?
you are the judge......what is the sentence for this crime.
your are the da...what is the crime?
That makes them a war criminal...
Originally Posted by Darthtang AW http:///t/389935/its-things-like-this-that-give-marines-such-a-wonderful-reputation/60#post_3451834
ok...those of you asking for punishment...what is a fitting punishment?
you are the judge......what is the sentence for this crime.
your are the da...what is the crime?
That makes them a war criminal...
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Originally Posted by TheClemsonKid http:///t/389935/its-things-like-this-that-give-marines-such-a-wonderful-reputation/60#post_3451960
Again, let me reiterate this point. In the 80's, when people were coming back from the war in Vietnam, they were unfairly spit on, judged, harassed, and treated with zero respect. I find that completely unacceptable and I would have wanted to go after anyone who chose to act that way towards them.
I find it very amusing that you are so opinionated about this but you don't even know when Vietnam ended. The US involvement ended in 1973.
Originally Posted by TheClemsonKid http:///t/389935/its-things-like-this-that-give-marines-such-a-wonderful-reputation/60#post_3451960
Again, let me reiterate this point. In the 80's, when people were coming back from the war in Vietnam, they were unfairly spit on, judged, harassed, and treated with zero respect. I find that completely unacceptable and I would have wanted to go after anyone who chose to act that way towards them.
I find it very amusing that you are so opinionated about this but you don't even know when Vietnam ended. The US involvement ended in 1973.
darthtang aw
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Again, let me reiterate this point. In the 80's, when people were coming back from the war in Vietnam, they were unfairly spit on, judged, harassed, and treated with zero respect. I find that completely unacceptable and I would have wanted to go after anyone who chose to act that way towards them.
The 80's?
Because you really believe we went to Iraq because we really gave two hoots about their safety and freedom from Saddam Hussein? We went into Vietnam to try and stop communism. We went into Iraq the first time because there was too much money and oil being compromised in Kuwait. Everything this country does is purely based on financial gain or loss, and if you can't see that then there is no point in arguing with you.
As I stated, your ignorance on these topics is glaring.
Vietnam started due to our relationship with France, as well as the desire to curb communism. Communism is a system of government that suppresses people. So in a sense, it was to help the people. Espefcially since the peace accords of the 50s had legally divided Vietnam into two countries. North Vietnam Invaded South Vietnam. Sparking the war. Had north vietnam never invaded South Vietnam, we never would have entered the war.
Iraq was started because of WMDs and the global war on Terror.
The first gulf war was started because Iraq invaded Kuwait. It did not matter if Kuwait had oil or not...they were invaded.
Since the end of world war 2...anytime a nation has invaded another nation, us and the U.N. have been there in some form or fashion to assist. Even when Russia invaded Afghanistan, we assisted the Afghan rebels. Show me a conflict in recent history where a country invaded another country and did not side with the side of those invaded.
I could go into further detail about many of this and the grand picture, if one takes a step back and looks. But why waste the time? You oppose a big government approach as you stated....oh, except for heathcare, retirement, and those things.
mantisman51
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And gun control and hate speech and education...
deejeff442
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this seems simple enough
stdreb27
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Originally Posted by deejeff442 http:///t/389935/its-things-like-this-that-give-marines-such-a-wonderful-reputation/60#post_3452001
this seems simple enough
This is the fundamental issue with Paul, anarchy isn't constitutionalism. While we are at it, why not allow polygamy, sodomy, murder, etc...
Originally Posted by deejeff442 http:///t/389935/its-things-like-this-that-give-marines-such-a-wonderful-reputation/60#post_3452001
this seems simple enough
This is the fundamental issue with Paul, anarchy isn't constitutionalism. While we are at it, why not allow polygamy, sodomy, murder, etc...
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Originally Posted by stdreb27 http:///t/389935/its-things-like-this-that-give-marines-such-a-wonderful-reputation/60#post_3451999
You know what I don't get? Why isn't securing oil a good reason to go to war? After all who wants to look at babes with no make-up all day?
Maybe it is a good reason to go to war but then it shouldn't be touted that the reason to go to war is WMD (Iraq). The biggest bogus lie in the 21st Century. Also, if securing oil is a good reason to go to war, then shouldn't we be securing it for ourselves and not other rival countries? Russia and China did not go to war in Iraq, in fact, we were highly criticized by both of them. However, a lot of the oil leases are going that way, while we stand in the back of the line.
I thought the oil was going to pay for the war. Yeah right. Why exactly did we go to war in Iraq, loosing the best of citizens in the process?? So the new Iraq can secure lucrative oil contracts with other countries.
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This is the fundamental issue with Paul, anarchy isn't constitutionalism. While we are at it, why not allow polygamy, sodomy, murder, etc...
Explain.
Originally Posted by stdreb27 http:///t/389935/its-things-like-this-that-give-marines-such-a-wonderful-reputation/60#post_3451999
You know what I don't get? Why isn't securing oil a good reason to go to war? After all who wants to look at babes with no make-up all day?
Maybe it is a good reason to go to war but then it shouldn't be touted that the reason to go to war is WMD (Iraq). The biggest bogus lie in the 21st Century. Also, if securing oil is a good reason to go to war, then shouldn't we be securing it for ourselves and not other rival countries? Russia and China did not go to war in Iraq, in fact, we were highly criticized by both of them. However, a lot of the oil leases are going that way, while we stand in the back of the line.
I thought the oil was going to pay for the war. Yeah right. Why exactly did we go to war in Iraq, loosing the best of citizens in the process?? So the new Iraq can secure lucrative oil contracts with other countries.
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This is the fundamental issue with Paul, anarchy isn't constitutionalism. While we are at it, why not allow polygamy, sodomy, murder, etc...
Explain.
stdreb27
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Originally Posted by Beth http:///t/389935/its-things-like-this-that-give-marines-such-a-wonderful-reputation/60#post_3452034
Maybe it is a good reason to go to war but then it shouldn't be touted that the reason to go to war is WMD (Iraq). The biggest bogus lie in the 21st Century. Also, if securing oil is a good reason to go to war, then shouldn't we be securing it for ourselves and not other rival countries? Russia and China did not go to war in Iraq, in fact, we were highly criticized by both of them. However, a lot of the oil leases are going that way, while we stand in the back of the line.
I thought the oil was going to pay for the war. Yeah right. Why exactly did we go to war in Iraq, loosing the best of citizens in the process?? So the new Iraq can secure lucrative oil contracts with other countries.
Explain.
I'm not saying that we went to Iraq for oil. I'm just saying I don't understand why that "War for oil" is bandied about as an argument against war. Wouldn't stability in a country who is a major player developing the most important natural resource not be a valid reason... Particularly since the alternative would have been leaving a person bent on our destruction in charge of the natural resource... Once again I'm not saying Iraq was a war about oil.
Realistically, since oil is traded on a world level, Russian and Chinese supplies of oil would directly influence our prices... Especially since leftist wackos have a legal war stopping us from developing our own resources...
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Originally Posted by Bang Guy http:///t/389935/its-things-like-this-that-give-marines-such-a-wonderful-reputation/60#post_3452041
The desire for natural resources outside of our borders is NOT a reason for war.
I'm not saying invade and take pillage the oil is the point... I'm simply pointing out that keeping crazy kooks from taking over a significant percentage of the world's oil supply, might be a valid reason to step in...
We tried reparations before, and it gave us Hitler...
Originally Posted by Beth http:///t/389935/its-things-like-this-that-give-marines-such-a-wonderful-reputation/60#post_3452034
Maybe it is a good reason to go to war but then it shouldn't be touted that the reason to go to war is WMD (Iraq). The biggest bogus lie in the 21st Century. Also, if securing oil is a good reason to go to war, then shouldn't we be securing it for ourselves and not other rival countries? Russia and China did not go to war in Iraq, in fact, we were highly criticized by both of them. However, a lot of the oil leases are going that way, while we stand in the back of the line.
I thought the oil was going to pay for the war. Yeah right. Why exactly did we go to war in Iraq, loosing the best of citizens in the process?? So the new Iraq can secure lucrative oil contracts with other countries.
Explain.
I'm not saying that we went to Iraq for oil. I'm just saying I don't understand why that "War for oil" is bandied about as an argument against war. Wouldn't stability in a country who is a major player developing the most important natural resource not be a valid reason... Particularly since the alternative would have been leaving a person bent on our destruction in charge of the natural resource... Once again I'm not saying Iraq was a war about oil.
Realistically, since oil is traded on a world level, Russian and Chinese supplies of oil would directly influence our prices... Especially since leftist wackos have a legal war stopping us from developing our own resources...
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Originally Posted by Bang Guy http:///t/389935/its-things-like-this-that-give-marines-such-a-wonderful-reputation/60#post_3452041
The desire for natural resources outside of our borders is NOT a reason for war.
I'm not saying invade and take pillage the oil is the point... I'm simply pointing out that keeping crazy kooks from taking over a significant percentage of the world's oil supply, might be a valid reason to step in...
We tried reparations before, and it gave us Hitler...