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ohioguy06

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Originally Posted by nigertrigg
i do agree with this though. Cops were even steeling.
althought the stinkin cops were stealling it doesnt make all the people a new orleans bad.................im sorry but just becasue the media brought out all the bad doesnt mean there wasnt any good. JMO
 

pontius

Active Member
Originally Posted by ScubaDoo
many local governments often do not have the resources to totally evacuate a major metropolitan area.
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after this happened, I specifically remember it being said that Louisiana had the funds to afford a stronger levy system, but chose to spend the money on a large government owned hotel instead.
 
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nigerfish

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Yes there were good people and iam not saying there wasnt, but not enough. The bad people once again far outweighed the good people.
 

ohioguy06

Member
Originally Posted by Pontius
after this happened, I specifically remember it being said that Louisiana had the funds to afford a stronger levy system, but chose to spend the money on a large government owned hotel instead.
If this is true or not its a sad deal in all
 
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nigerfish

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Originally Posted by Pontius
after this happened, I specifically remember it being said that Louisiana had the funds to afford a stronger levy system, but chose to spend the money on a large government owned hotel instead.
Wrong it was not Louisiana it was the federal government that did not spend the money, but let us not go to the blame game, because what happend, happend.
 

ohioguy06

Member
Originally Posted by Nigerfish
Yes there were good people and iam not saying there wasnt, but not enough. The bad people once again far outweighed the good people.
Im not here to argue just stateing.........The only reason which leads me to say that u think that way is becasue of the media...........all you say was the bad things yes there was alot of bad.......yes are the cop cowards that ran and stole.....BUt imo the good far more outweighed the bad!
 
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nigerfish

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And iam glad you have your opinion, but the facts are just simply not on your side.
 

ohioguy06

Member
Originally Posted by Nigerfish
And iam glad you have your opinion, but the facts are just simply not on your side.
But see no one will ever know the truth unless u were standing right there the media did bad coverage on the whole thing........well they covered it just not all the good things.
 
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nigerfish

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----, murder, beating, shooting at rescue helicopters, are just some of the bad things that happend, i could go on for hours of all the bad things that happend and take just about 10 seconds to think of the good.
 

ohioguy06

Member
I also had family that was hit hard by katrina.....they werent in lousiana but in miss. i have been watching this thread biteing my tounge not to reply but i couldnt wait any longer because if i had anything to say about fema..........on these forums anyways i would def get the boot and dont want that!
 

lovethesea

Active Member
Buses were NOT available as they should have been. We saw pictures of the buses almost under water in their parking lots. I think you are confusing this with the hurricane that was due to hit Galviston. They had buses lined up and the mayor said if your not out of the city by midnight they weren't coming to get you until it was safe.
The Super Dome was not the answer as it was not stocked properly to handle the amount of people.
I was here in STL on Friday before this disaster struck, asking why are earth the Govnr and Mayor were not issuing an evacuation notice. Knowing full well of the amonts of people they needed to get out.
If the people that could get out in their own cars or with the help of a neighbor....if they all got out.....it would have taken liitle time to go back a resue the people that truely needed help.... the sick, elderly, or the people without a car. We all know that there were many cars flooded and left to be totaled.
Hopefully before next hurricane season, everyone will stop pointing fingers and let what needs to get done...get done. If FEMA is going to truely take over in situations such as this, then the state/local govn't should be left out of the equation. They give up control over their cities. No requests, forms, emails, phone calls, etc. Just flat out doing what needs to be done. And that should include EVERYONE doing their own part in helping take care of THEMSELVES and not waiting around.
The first time I went to N.O. about 15 years ago, that was the story that everyone told us.
The story about the next "big one" and when it hits all of N.O. will be flooded. So I guess no one listened?
 

scubadoo

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It was actually in the 90's when the feds shot down the Coastline 2050 plan. This would have protected the City against a Cat 5 strom and also rebuilt the natural barrier islands and wetlands..a natural defense against a strom surge. however, it would have taken decades to complete...but partial completion could have been the difference.
The price tag was 15 billion and was simply shot down. Given the super port in the Gulf for off-loading crude...and the pertroleum industry present in this area...there was a national interest to protect this area from such disaster....as we all learned at the gas pump shortly after.
Thanks for the input Pontius.....
 

ohioguy06

Member
Originally Posted by Nigerfish
----, murder, beating, shooting at rescue helicopters, are just some of the bad things that happend, i could go on for hours of all the bad things that happend and take just about 10 seconds to think of the good.
I see where u comeing from.........all media..........its just a single minded thought.
 

ohioguy06

Member
Originally Posted by ScubaDoo
It was actually in the 90's when the feds shot down the Coastline 2050 plan. This would have protected the City against a Cat 5 strom and also rebuilt the natural barrier islands and wetlands..a natural defense against a strom surge. however, it would have taken decades to complete...but partial completion could have been the difference.
The price tag was 15 billion and was simply shot down. Given the super port in the Gulf for off-loading crude...and the pertroleum industry present in this area...there was a national interest to protect this area from such disaster....as we all learned at the gas pump shortly after.
Thanks for the input Pontius.....

Even if they would have replenished the barrier islands and wet lands the levee's would have stood a chance atleast then.
 

dogstar

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Does anyone know if New Orleans could have done any thing to the levies even if they wanted too. Dont they belong to the Feds. and the Feds. turned down the project and the city was trying to match funds and still was refused.
Thats what I remember I heard but not sure.
 

lovethesea

Active Member
Hopefully wetlands will be returned to that area instead of rebuilding certain areas. Trying to force a river to go some place other than where it wants/needs to go spells disaster as we all have seen.
 

lovethesea

Active Member
Originally Posted by Dogstar
Does anyone know if New Orleans could have done any thing to the levies even if they wanted too. Dont they belong to the Feds. and the Feds. turned down the project and the city was trying to match funds and still was refused.
Thats what I remember I heard but not sure.

I am curious too.....and I know there was a money scandal not too long ago. Money was being given to them (forgot what they are called) and I think there were a few individuals who helped themselves.
Scuba will have more info......I just don't remember the whole deal.
 

scubadoo

Active Member
Originally Posted by Pontius
after this happened, I specifically remember it being said that Louisiana had the funds to afford a stronger levy system, but chose to spend the money on a large government owned hotel instead.
Huh.....? You are talking about the local levee districts that have maintenance repsonsibility, etc. They have been guilty of questionable spending....but I do not think they purchased a hotel for the government...they are a quasi-governemntal entity.
The levee system in New orleans was constructed by the federal Army Corps of Engineers. If you have followed the story...they now beleive it was an engineering error which led to the levees failing. They are now in the process of rebuilding/strenthening levees. At the heart of the issue is metal sheet pilings that may not have been driven to the appropriate depth. i recall reading an opinion whcih called it one of the greatest engineering errors in history...since it was such an obvious error that may have been missed by all.
Also some theories regarding an old railway that used to run parrallel to one break...beleive old rotted rail trussess may have provided a path for water to travel underground leading to the other side of the levee structure.
 
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