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vinnyraptor

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Originally Posted by Darknes
http:///forum/post/2732734
Take a look at how spread out our population is...we dont have the need for a mass transit system like Europe does. Also, the American public has pride in being able to drive on their own...its a cultural thing.
Again, we have no need for a rail system. Nobody would use it.
Lol, so do we. We use geothermal energy on many schools, office buildings, etc. What's your point?
You can thank your liberal buddies for us not relying more on nuclear plants.
Again, thank your liberal buddies that wont let us drill oil in the US.
Wrong, Wrong, Wrong.

Our healthcare and education are just fine...no need for socialization.
Sounds like someone should just pack their bags and go live in socialist Europe. This is America, where the government should have as little power as necessary!
we didnt make the top 48 in life expectancy ( economist.com ) were 15th in education (Ft.com ) overall, 42nd in math and science. were 64th in unemployment ( 63 countries have a lower percentage ) those are the facts! sorry but to think were the best at everything just because were America is naive. and when Barrack or anyone else points these things out you say he doesn't love his country. thats BS!
 
darknes

darknes

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Originally Posted by VinnyRaptor
http:///forum/post/2732949
we didnt make the top 48 in life expectancy ( economist.com ) were 15th in education (Ft.com ) overall, 42nd in math and science. were 64th in unemployment ( 63 countries have a lower percentage ) those are the facts! sorry but to think were the best at everything just because were America is naive. and when Barrack or anyone else points these things out you say he doesn't love his country. thats BS!
I never said we are the best. Life expectancy isn't a fault of our healthcare system, it's a fault of our lifestyle. Too many americans are overweight, don't exercise, eat poorly....
We have a great education system, it's whether or not people have the drive to push themselves.
These are problems in our society and culture, not with how our president is running the country. I don't have any doubt Obama loves the country. I just don't like that he is too much of a socialist.
 
groupergenius

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I'm 44. My wife is 50. We are both white. Between the 2 of us we make less than $100K a year. And we do not want Obama in the white house. Just not the right guy for the job.
Remember, we are not voting on a CEO of some company here. This is the leader of the free world. Decisions he/she will make will affect the entire world. And giving the Boss's job to the janitor seems like a good idea??
Crazy.
 
jmick

jmick

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Originally Posted by Darknes
http:///forum/post/2733037
I never said we are the best. Life expectancy isn't a fault of our healthcare system, it's a fault of our lifestyle. Too many americans are overweight, don't exercise, eat poorly....
We have a great education system, it's whether or not people have the drive to push themselves.
These are problems in our society and culture, not with how our president is running the country. I don't have any doubt Obama loves the country. I just don't like that he is too much of a socialist.
I tend to agree with you that our poor life expectancy is a result of the lifestyles many Americans live, but at the same time, we need to educate people better, especially the young. I think there are many parents out there who are lazy and would rather feed their kids crap then make a proper meal. I'd love to see our schools put more emphasis on physical education to get some of these pudge balls in shape. IMO, parents who allow their kids to become obese to the extent it jeopardizes their health should be held accountable for child neglect/endangerment.
Our education system is amazing if you live in a fairly affluent area. Here in the Chicago burbs we have really good schools for the most part but if you head towards the city in some of the poor areas you'll find the opposite. I like the voucher idea, where you have options as to where you kid gets his/her education. It puts accountability on each school and those schools that aren't doing a good job will suffer.
 
reefraff

reefraff

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The problem with the education system will never be solved with money. Parenting is the biggest problem.
 
darknes

darknes

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Originally Posted by Jmick
http:///forum/post/2733062
I tend to agree with you that our poor life expectancy is a result of the lifestyles many Americans live, but at the same time, we need to educate people better, especially the young. I think there are many parents out there who are lazy and would rather feed their kids crap then make a proper meal. I'd love to see our schools put more emphasis on physical education to get some of these pudge balls in shape. IMO, parents who allow their kids to become obese to the extent it jeopardizes their health should be held accountable for child neglect/endangerment.
Our education system is amazing if you live in a fairly affluent area. Here in the Chicago burbs we have really good schools for the most part but if you head towards the city in some of the poor areas you'll find the opposite. I like the voucher idea, where you have options as to where you kid gets his/her education. It puts accountability on each school and those schools that aren't doing a good job will suffer.
I fully agree. However, a presidential candidate can claim he's going to make our schools better all he wants, when in reality it is dependent on the local government. I also fully support a voucher system.
I also agree that schools need to put more emphasis on physical exercise and healthy eating, but you will never teach a child anything if the parents do not support it.
 
darthtang aw

darthtang aw

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Originally Posted by VinnyRaptor
http:///forum/post/2732949
we didnt make the top 48 in life expectancy ( economist.com ) were 15th in education (Ft.com ) overall, 42nd in math and science. were 64th in unemployment ( 63 countries have a lower percentage ) those are the facts! sorry but to think were the best at everything just because were America is naive. and when Barrack or anyone else points these things out you say he doesn't love his country. thats BS!

Those are NOT facts. 63 countries do not have a better unemployment rate. 49 do, but their pay scale is much lower than ours, the average cost of living in those countries on average is horrible. Hell Mexico has a lower Unemeployment rate, yet they keep coming here for work....why is that? I noticed you did not list a link with that figure you gave. You mentioned China and their great infrastructure. Unemployment is about 9%. You mentioned France, Their unemployment is 9.9%. You mentioned most of asia, their average unemployment is at 6%. Their pay rate is well below 5.25 an hour. You mentioned Europe as well as a whole, the EU's average unemploymet rate is 9.4%. You mentioned Russia, they are sitting at about 8%. Even Canada the country with all that healthcare that is great is at 6.6%, higher than us.
You brought up all these countries as the model we should follow, yet they can't employ all their people to the level we can, even with all of our jobs going overseas to china and india..India is still almost at 9% unemployment. So as I stated the government provides all this, because they can't create enough jobs.
Germany is at a over 11% unemployment as well....
Nice try though to attempt to make those countries look better than us.
 
1journeyman

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Folks, just a generic warning; Let's avoid playing the "race" card around here. If you can't participate in a debate with opposing viewpoints without trying to incite a race war please move along and no longer participate in the "Aquarium".
Violators could well find themselves on the mass transit system of their choice to Bansville for this type of behavior.
 
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vinnyraptor

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Originally Posted by Jmick
http:///forum/post/2733062
I tend to agree with you that our poor life expectancy is a result of the lifestyles many Americans live, but at the same time, we need to educate people better, especially the young. I think there are many parents out there who are lazy and would rather feed their kids crap then make a proper meal. I'd love to see our schools put more emphasis on physical education to get some of these pudge balls in shape. IMO, parents who allow their kids to become obese to the extent it jeopardizes their health should be held accountable for child neglect/endangerment.
Our education system is amazing if you live in a fairly affluent area. Here in the Chicago burbs we have really good schools for the most part but if you head towards the city in some of the poor areas you'll find the opposite. I like the voucher idea, where you have options as to where you kid gets his/her education. It puts accountability on each school and those schools that aren't doing a good job will suffer.

your right if you are affluent the schools are generally good, but thats the problem. what about the inner city? millions of kids go to public schools and almost all major cities have a problem. what about those kids? some are so poor that they cant afford clothes, shoes, lunch etc. we are the richest nation in the world and to allow all of these kids to fall by the wayside is a sin. we spend nearly 700 billion on defense and less than 40 billion on education. Barrack's plan to increase the budget, remove standardised tests, bring back music, sports, the arts and reward only the teachers who are excelling, to me is the best idea's ive heard. lets face it not everyone is good at math, science, etc. but they may be naturally gifted at music, art, or sports. when these kids go to public schools that dont offer any of these types of programs what happens to them? i'll tell you... they join gangs, drop out, or get pregnant all of which put a burden on taxpayers down the road. to me education is the only way to solve our social problems. it can vanquish racism, poverty, illiteracy, etc... if we really fix our schools now in 20 years all of us will reap the benefits. crime, teen pregnancy, racism, poverty, gone! and for the worthless parents who arent worth thier weight in dog poo they are lost, we cant help them. but it doesnt have to be that way for thier children. we can save them, and break the cycle, but it does take money and sacrifice by those who have.
as for life expectancy i dont by your arguement and heres why. in Germany they drink more alcohol, eat greasier foods, but have less heart disease and a greater life expectancy, why is that? we dont live longer because of one reason and one reason only- STRESS! we are the most stressed out people on the planet. Australia to France, Italy, etc. they all work less hours have more vacation time and generally put family before career. and they live longer healther and happier lives. they all drink, smoke, and eat bad food. but they are better educated, and healthier. a friend of mine was just in Italy, he said at 2 pm almost nothing is open, everyone closes shop and goes home to eat and spend time with thier family. novel idea huh? F' work and go home to kiss the wife and play with the kids, then go back and finish up. how many Americans do that?
again i point these thing out because i love my country and want us to do better and we can easily. we need to change our government, our politcal system is still dominated by old rich white guys and it doesnt reflect the diversity of our society. money rules, and corporations rule that has to change.
 
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vinnyraptor

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Originally Posted by TangMan99
http:///forum/post/2732560
You have got to be F%$#$ S#%$#@ me. You make a blanket statement like that?
Let see:
I'm a 40+ year old white male and we won't go into my income but counting household, you are pretty close. I'm sure I'm not the only one on here either.
Do I hate Obama? No. Do I want him to be president. No. Is that my right as a voting citizen of this country? Yes. Is it because he is black? No. He doesn't have the experience to be the leader of our country, period. Is it because I am a republican? No, I can think for myself but do tend to agree with them most of the time. Do I listen to Rush Limbaugh? I personally think rush in a radio entertainer and an extreme idiot. I'm not the only republican over 40 white male that makes over 250K a year that thinks that either.
I don't want to pay more in taxes? Who the hell does? You don't even want to know what I paid in taxes last year. I also donated close to 10K to charity last year and that did not include a dime toward any religious entity which I don't support for my own reasons. Did some of this go to inner city urban people? You bet it did. Do I think inner city people are lazy? Fact is, some are and I could give a rat's ass about them, but many are really working hard trying to make an honest living and better themselves and those are the ones I would like to see make it.
I'm not trying to be argumentative, but when you do things to genuinely help people and get called out in a blanket statement like that, it's irritating. What if I took your comment to be a blanket statement that everyone I have helped by my donations believed? Perhaps I should just keep my money I worked so hard for to myself. I've got room for at least two more motorcycles in my garage.
question - how many 40+ white males in your tax bracket do you know who are voting for Obama?
 
zilly

zilly

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Sorry for being off topic but could someone pleaaase tell me how to post a new thread??!! (thanx)
 
kjr_trig

kjr_trig

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Originally Posted by VinnyRaptor
http:///forum/post/2733200
question - how many 40+ white males in your tax bracket do you know who are voting for Obama?
There are plenty of Limosine Liberals out there
.....
This is a quote from one of my Economics Professors in College that I have put on here before..."If you're under 25 and not a Democrat you don't have a heart. If you make over $100,000 a year and not a Republican, you don't have a brain."
And why are you so hung up on "white males over 40"?
My under 35 Asian wife is Republican, of coarse she works very hard for her money, came from a very poor upbringing, and had to work her butt off for everything she has including the scholarship (not handout) she earned to go to college on....What does she know though?
 
darthtang aw

darthtang aw

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Originally Posted by VinnyRaptor
http:///forum/post/2733193
your right if you are affluent the schools are generally good, but thats the problem. what about the inner city? millions of kids go to public schools and almost all major cities have a problem. what about those kids? some are so poor that they cant afford clothes, shoes, lunch etc. we are the richest nation in the world and to allow all of these kids to fall by the wayside is a sin. we spend nearly 700 billion on defense and less than 40 billion on education. Barrack's plan to increase the budget, remove standardised tests, bring back music, sports, the arts and reward only the teachers who are excelling, to me is the best idea's ive heard. lets face it not everyone is good at math, science, etc. but they may be naturally gifted at music, art, or sports. when these kids go to public schools that dont offer any of these types of programs what happens to them? i'll tell you... they join gangs, drop out, or get pregnant all of which put a burden on taxpayers down the road. to me education is the only way to solve our social problems. it can vanquish racism, poverty, illiteracy, etc... if we really fix our schools now in 20 years all of us will reap the benefits. crime, teen pregnancy, racism, poverty, gone! and for the worthless parents who arent worth thier weight in dog poo they are lost, we cant help them. but it doesnt have to be that way for thier children. we can save them, and break the cycle, but it does take money and sacrifice by those who have.
as for life expectancy i dont by your arguement and heres why. in Germany they drink more alcohol, eat greasier foods, but have less heart disease and a greater life expectancy, why is that? we dont live longer because of one reason and one reason only- STRESS! we are the most stressed out people on the planet. Australia to France, Italy, etc. they all work less hours have more vacation time and generally put family before career. and they live longer healther and happier lives. they all drink, smoke, and eat bad food. but they are better educated, and healthier. a friend of mine was just in Italy, he said at 2 pm almost nothing is open, everyone closes shop and goes home to eat and spend time with thier family. novel idea huh? F' work and go home to kiss the wife and play with the kids, then go back and finish up. how many Americans do that?
Mexico does the same thing. Siestas, yet they don't have the money to have a decent quality of living and come here. Germany, you are wrong on. I lived there 6 years. Do they drink? Yes, but not to the degree americans do. The have one or 2 a day...while americans sit back and have a 6 pack to a case a beer when they drink. Greasy food? where do you get that? We fry more food than any other country....for christ's sake we now fry cheesecake. Their healthcare system has nothing to do with it.
Life expectancy in Germany is 78.95.
European Union 78.7
USA 78.06.
Those countries are NOT years ahead of us.....
Stop making statements that are not factual and just opinions.
Also you don't factor in natural disasters. When was the last time Germany had a tornado, earthquake, typhoon, or hurricane?
See you see one thing and assume that has to be it. Look at the whole picture.
Still waiting for you to address your statements about unemployment.
you 40 year old plus question. I can think of 6 that I know really quicfk...what is your point?
 
1journeyman

1journeyman

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Originally Posted by VinnyRaptor
http:///forum/post/2733193
... we spend nearly 700 billion on defense and less than 40 billion on education.....
I can clearly show you in the Constitution of the United States where the federal government is required to provide for the National Defense.
Can you show me where it is required that the federal government provide education?
 
groupergenius

groupergenius

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Originally Posted by VinnyRaptor
http:///forum/post/2733193
your right if you are affluent the schools are generally good, but thats the problem. what about the inner city? millions of kids go to public schools and almost all major cities have a problem. what about those kids? some are so poor that they cant afford clothes, shoes, lunch etc. we are the richest nation in the world and to allow all of these kids to fall by the wayside is a sin. we spend nearly 700 billion on defense and less than 40 billion on education. Barrack's plan to increase the budget, remove standardised tests, bring back music, sports, the arts and reward only the teachers who are excelling, to me is the best idea's ive heard. lets face it not everyone is good at math, science, etc. but they may be naturally gifted at music, art, or sports. when these kids go to public schools that dont offer any of these types of programs what happens to them? i'll tell you... they join gangs, drop out, or get pregnant all of which put a burden on taxpayers down the road. to me education is the only way to solve our social problems. it can vanquish racism, poverty, illiteracy, etc... if we really fix our schools now in 20 years all of us will reap the benefits. crime, teen pregnancy, racism, poverty, gone! and for the worthless parents who arent worth thier weight in dog poo they are lost, we cant help them. but it doesnt have to be that way for thier children. we can save them, and break the cycle, but it does take money and sacrifice by those who have.
as for life expectancy i dont by your arguement and heres why. in Germany they drink more alcohol, eat greasier foods, but have less heart disease and a greater life expectancy, why is that? we dont live longer because of one reason and one reason only- STRESS! we are the most stressed out people on the planet. Australia to France, Italy, etc. they all work less hours have more vacation time and generally put family before career. and they live longer healther and happier lives. they all drink, smoke, and eat bad food. but they are better educated, and healthier. a friend of mine was just in Italy, he said at 2 pm almost nothing is open, everyone closes shop and goes home to eat and spend time with thier family. novel idea huh? F' work and go home to kiss the wife and play with the kids, then go back and finish up. how many Americans do that?
again i point these thing out because i love my country and want us to do better and we can easily. we need to change our government, our politcal system is still dominated by old rich white guys and it doesnt reflect the diversity of our society. money rules, and corporations rule that has to change.
Need I remind you that Barack Hussein Obama is not a poor man??
Now, please explain to me that he was raised by a single mom, went to an Ivy League school, made $4 million last year.....all in this cruddy society you speak of. Sounds to me like Obama be livin' the AMERICAN dream.
 
stdreb27

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That is not counting the Billions spend on district levels for schools... It would be like complaining we don't spend enough on national defense then list how much each state is spending on the militias, they aren't the ones responsible for national defense...
 
reefraff

reefraff

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Originally Posted by VinnyRaptor
http:///forum/post/2733193
. Barrack's plan to increase the budget, remove standardised tests, bring back music, sports, the arts and reward only the teachers who are excelling, to me is the best idea's ive heard. lets face it not everyone is good at math, science, etc. but they may be naturally gifted at music, art, or sports. when these kids go to public schools that dont offer any of these types of programs what happens to them? i'll tell you... they join gangs, drop out, or get pregnant all of which put a burden on taxpayers down the road.
ROFLMFAO!!!
You really think the union would allow merit pay? As for the rest when I was in school there was plenty of Art and music in school and there were plenty of gangs. The only thing most of them wanted to do with music would have been to steal the instruments and trade them for beer.
 
tangman99

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Originally Posted by VinnyRaptor
http:///forum/post/2733200
question - how many 40+ white males in your tax bracket do you know who are voting for Obama?
I have no clue just as I have no clue how many people in poverty are voting for McCain. I'm sure there are some though. But I'm pretty sure that most are not voting for him for the same reason that I am not. They don't feel he is qualified and has too many socialist ideas.
 
reefraff

reefraff

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Originally Posted by TangMan99
http:///forum/post/2733383
I have no clue just as I have no clue how many people in poverty are voting for McCain. I'm sure there are some though. But I'm pretty sure that most are not voting for him for the same reason that I am not. They don't feel he is qualified and has too many socialist ideas.
You know whats really funny is Clinton had the majority of low income folks voting for her while Obus had the majority of high income supporting him and he ended up beating her. So much for the Democrats being the party of the common working man
 
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