Michael Vick Reinstated by NFL

meowzer

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Originally Posted by stdreb27
http:///forum/post/3097491
Don't get me wrong, I'm a big animal lover. I've probably raised more animals than most. I've been up all night feeding the young. Heck I've milked a horse. I just understand that they aren't my children.
Just because I "love" animals....does not mean I do not know the difference between them and my children
....GEEZ
Do I dare ask what you have done with goats
 
bulldog123

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Originally Posted by reefraff
http:///forum/post/3097454
Drunk driving is a stupid mistake. Even assuming the guy knew he was drunk he didn't set out to hit that guy. What Vick did was a purposeful act to break the law. He also went out of his way to cause pain to the animals he no longer deemed worthy to be in his stable. It also involved gambling and if you remember the case of the loser QB from Ohio State back in the 70's the NFL has a low tolerance for illegal gambling.
BACK OFF THE BUCKEYES!!!
 
stdreb27

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Originally Posted by meowzer
http:///forum/post/3097506
Just because I "love" animals....does not mean I do not know the difference between them and my children
....GEEZ
Do I dare ask what you have done with goats

Well I have "removed the spirit" from a stallion before hopping on his back for horse shows, or riding around with other mares...
 
crypt keeper

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Originally Posted by stdreb27
http:///forum/post/3096988
2 things, one I have a huge problem with the misplaced values people place on animals. Vick killed some dogs. Vick went to jail for over a year and was on house arest for another year. Now the comish is saying he may or may no allow him to play again.
Another NFL player killed a HUMAN. While driving drunk. Getting into a car makes it a purposeful act. He got suspended for 8 games.
How is this equitable. And how is this NOT placing a higher value on the life of a animal VS a human being.
You have almost all your facts wrong. he went to jail for almost two years and was on home arrest for about 2 months. On top of it Im a Vick supporter. The media made the vick case a huge deal along with him gambling money over states lines while commiting other federal offenses.
Stalworth had an accident. Vick willingly killed dogs. BIg difference. Also He wasnt drunk like you're in college and cant walk about to pass out drunk. He had a few beers. The dude walked in front of his car. Had Stalworth not had a single beer in his system he would had been let go 100% just like anybody should had. So does a few beers make him a monster? No. He didnt even blow that high over the limit. We are talking about a professional football player who probably had 4 beers and drove home. The guy did everything by the book after he hit him.
You cant even begin to compare the two.
 
stdreb27

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Originally Posted by crypt keeper
http:///forum/post/3098150
You have almost all your facts wrong. he went to jail for almost two years and was on home arrest for about 2 months. On top of it Im a Vick supporter. The media made the vick case a huge deal along with him gambling money over states lines while commiting other federal offenses.
Stalworth had an accident. Vick willingly killed dogs. BIg difference. Also He wasnt drunk like you're in college and cant walk about to pass out drunk. He had a few beers. The dude walked in front of his car. Had Stalworth not had a single beer in his system he would had been let go 100% just like anybody should had. So does a few beers make him a monster? No. He didnt even blow that high over the limit. We are talking about a professional football player who probably had 4 beers and drove home. The guy did everything by the book after he hit him.
You cant even begin to compare the two.
SERIOUSLY how many times do I have to say I was thinking about Little not Stallworth! Who was not only effing drunk he was twice the legal limit drunk. AND YOU GET INTO THE CAR DRUNK YOU'VE MADE YOUR DECISION.
But hey never mind reading my entire posts. I don't mind.

Article one posted my me.
"Defensive end Leonard Little took a woman's life -- actually killed a human being -- when he drove drunk, and he was suspended eight games."
Article 2 posted by me.
In October of 1998, St. Louis Rams lineman Leonard Little — driving with a .19 blood-alcohol level, more than twice the legal limit — crashed into another car and killed its driver.
Little was convicted of manslaughter, served a 90-day sentence in a Missouri workhouse and was suspended for the first eight games of the 1999 NFL season. He subsequently has played 11 years in the NFL and made tens of millions of dollars.
and finally a quote of me
Originally Posted by stdreb27
http:///forum/post/3097091
What about Little from the 90's... I posted a link earlier.
And Stallworth was drunk.
But hey since you've done such a good job reading what I've actually posted, you're right, (not that it really mattered) Vick was in jail for 22 months and on house arrest for 2. Which strangely enough could possibly strengthen my argument since that is much harsher than what I'd written... Which is Vick although a stupid idiot, did his time and the NFL should reinstate him (instead of this weird allowed to sign and practice, but not allowed to play crap that Goodell cooked up)
 
aquaknight

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Originally Posted by stdreb27
http:///forum/post/3098259
SERIOUSLY how many times do I have to say I was thinking about Little not Stallworth! Who was not only effing drunk he was twice the legal limit drunk. AND YOU GET INTO THE CAR DRUNK YOU'VE MADE YOUR DECISION.
But hey never mind reading my entire posts. I don't mind.

Article one posted my me.
"Defensive end Leonard Little took a woman's life -- actually killed a human being -- when he drove drunk, and he was suspended eight games."
Article 2 posted by me.
In October of 1998, St. Louis Rams lineman Leonard Little — driving with a .19 blood-alcohol level, more than twice the legal limit — crashed into another car and killed its driver.
Little was convicted of manslaughter, served a 90-day sentence in a Missouri workhouse and was suspended for the first eight games of the 1999 NFL season. He subsequently has played 11 years in the NFL and made tens of millions of dollars.
and finally a quote of me
And Stallworth was drunk.
But hey since you've done such a good job reading what I've actually posted, you're right, (not that it really mattered) Vick was in jail for 22 months and on house arrest for 2. Which strangely enough could possibly strengthen my argument since that is much harsher than what I'd written... Which is Vick although a stupid idiot, did his time and the NFL should reinstate him (instead of this weird allowed to sign and practice, but not allowed to play crap that Goodell cooked up)
While both Stallworth and Little did 'kill' people, both are charged with involuntary manslaughter, not murder. Little agreed to plead gulity to his sentence of 90 days. Stallworth's punishment is likely less for a number of reasons, mainly his acts following the accident and the determine of at fault.
I sincerely doubt anyone convicted of murder 1, will likely ever play football again, much less not see the outside of a jail cell for years if not life. While some people may not see the difference, that is why Little and Stallworth are free men (sort of).
 
oscardeuce

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Originally Posted by crypt keeper
http:///forum/post/3098150
Stalworth had an accident. Vick willingly killed dogs. BIg difference. Also He wasnt drunk like you're in college and cant walk about to pass out drunk. He had a few beers. The dude walked in front of his car. Had Stalworth not had a single beer in his system he would had been let go 100% just like anybody should had. So does a few beers make him a monster? No. He didnt even blow that high over the limit. We are talking about a professional football player who probably had 4 beers and drove home. The guy did everything by the book after he hit him.
You cant even begin to compare the two.
You want to help mean explain that the next time I tell a family someone they love was killed by a drunk driver?
"had an accident"?
That "dude" was going home from WORK. Stallworthless was going home from a night of partying. If he was not intoxicated he may have been able to avoid hitting and killing the man.
Please get some respect for human life.
 
jp30338

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Originally Posted by oscardeuce
http:///forum/post/3098557
You want to help mean explain that the next time I tell a family someone they love was killed by a drunk driver?
"had an accident"?
That "dude" was going home from WORK. Stallworthless was going home from a night of partying. If he was not intoxicated he may have been able to avoid hitting and killing the man.
Please get some respect for human life.
The key word being "MAY". The guy ran out in the middle of the street into oncoming traffic at night to catch a bus...
That is EXACTYLY why, he got a light sentence. read up your facts BEFORE you post such one sided non-sense.
 
reefraff

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Originally Posted by jp30338
http:///forum/post/3098714
The key word being "MAY". The guy ran out in the middle of the street into oncoming traffic at night to catch a bus...
That is EXACTYLY why, he got a light sentence. read up your facts BEFORE you post such one sided non-sense.

I think what helps Stallworth is he did every thing right after he hit the guy. Based on the facts in the case it wasn't any slam dunk that the family could have gotten 2 cents out of him because the victim did indeed screw up and cause the "wreck". That doesn't relieve Stallworth of the responsibility for taking someone's life because it is plausible that had he been sober he could have avoided the guy who ran in front of him. Not sure a jury would have given the family a big pay day for that.
Thing is Stallworth is an example of someone "maning up" after an incident. No excuses, no weasel words. Just did what was right for the family. If anyone deserves a second chance it's this guy.
 
jp30338

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Originally Posted by reefraff
http:///forum/post/3098749
I think what helps Stallworth is he did every thing right after he hit the guy. Based on the facts in the case it wasn't any slam dunk that the family could have gotten 2 cents out of him because the victim did indeed screw up and cause the "wreck". That doesn't relieve Stallworth of the responsibility for taking someone's life because it is plausible that had he been sober he could have avoided the guy who ran in front of him. Not sure a jury would have given the family a big pay day for that.
Thing is Stallworth is an example of someone "maning up" after an incident. No excuses, no weasel words. Just did what was right for the family. If anyone deserves a second chance it's this guy.

+1
 
aquaknight

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Originally Posted by reefraff
http:///forum/post/3098749
I think what helps Stallworth is he did every thing right after he hit the guy. Based on the facts in the case it wasn't any slam dunk that the family could have gotten 2 cents out of him because the victim did indeed screw up and cause the "wreck". That doesn't relieve Stallworth of the responsibility for taking someone's life because it is plausible that had he been sober he could have avoided the guy who ran in front of him. Not sure a jury would have given the family a big pay day for that.
Thing is Stallworth is an example of someone "maning up" after an incident. No excuses, no weasel words. Just did what was right for the family. If anyone deserves a second chance it's this guy.
 
crypt keeper

crypt keeper

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Originally Posted by oscardeuce
http:///forum/post/3098557
You want to help mean explain that the next time I tell a family someone they love was killed by a drunk driver?
"had an accident"?
That "dude" was going home from WORK. Stallworthless was going home from a night of partying. If he was not intoxicated he may have been able to avoid hitting and killing the man.
Please get some respect for human life.
It was an accident.The dude walked in front of his car in a low light area not in a cross walk. Im sorry but you are taught from the age of 3 to look both ways and cross at cross walks.
I have a ton of respect for human life and animal life so dont put words in my mouth over your blindess for an entire situation. You hear drunk driver killed somebody. Boom automatic guilt. there are way more facts than just that. He was far from drunk. Drunk is swerving high rate of speed and running and hiding. Not stopping calling the police and then being let go only to be arrested a few days later after the test results came back. Had he been that drunk he would have been thrown in jail that night. Right or wrong?
You make it sound like Stallworth jumped the curb and ran him down from behind. Had Stalworth not had a single beer in his system he would had been let off because the guy was dumb enough to get himself killed.
IMO the guy he hit was more at fault. You cant just cross anywhere you want, they have laws against it and guess what the guy broke the law just as much as Stalworth did, and do it at night. How stupid can you get?
 
oscardeuce

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Originally Posted by crypt keeper
http:///forum/post/3099115
It was an accident.The dude walked in front of his car in a low light area not in a cross walk. Im sorry but you are taught from the age of 3 to look both ways and cross at cross walks.
I have a ton of respect for human life and animal life so dont put words in my mouth over your blindess for an entire situation. You hear drunk driver killed somebody. Boom automatic guilt. there are way more facts than just that. He was far from drunk. Drunk is swerving high rate of speed and running and hiding. Not stopping calling the police and then being let go only to be arrested a few days later after the test results came back. Had he been that drunk he would have been thrown in jail that night. Right or wrong?
You make it sound like Stallworth jumped the curb and ran him down from behind. Had Stalworth not had a single beer in his system he would had been let off because the guy was dumb enough to get himself killed.
IMO the guy he hit was more at fault. You cant just cross anywhere you want, they have laws against it and guess what the guy broke the law just as much as Stalworth did, and do it at night. How stupid can you get?

Oh, I see he was just a little drunk, that changes it.
I'll thell the family of the next accident I treat the person who caused the accident was just a little drunk and their daughter is just a little dead, well maybe mostly dead.
I've had to look parents in the eye and tell them their child will never make it home. The look in their eyes still haunts me. I've pronounced the innocent dead, then had to treat the drunk.
Sorry if I'm a little tough.
He did "man up", that I respect, by then he "bought out".
 
crypt keeper

crypt keeper

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Originally Posted by oscardeuce
http:///forum/post/3099168
Oh, I see he was just a little drunk, that changes it.
I'll thell the family of the next accident I treat the person who caused the accident was just a little drunk and their daughter is just a little dead, well maybe mostly dead.
I've had to look parents in the eye and tell them their child will never make it home. The look in their eyes still haunts me. I've pronounced the innocent dead, then had to treat the drunk.
Sorry if I'm a little tough.
He did "man up", that I respect, by then he "bought out".
I love how you see it one way and not both. Had the victim showed just a little common sense we wouldnt even be having this conversation. How many times have you just ran into traffic without a care in the world? Im gonna go with never. Beer or no beer you are extremely close minded.
You are taking drunk way out of context. The police let him go that night. He went home. He obviously wasnt "drunk".
"After a night of drinking at a bar in Miami Beach's Fountainebleau hotel, police said Stallworth hit the 59-year-old Reyes, a Miami construction worker, who was rushing to catch a bus after finishing work at about 7:15 a.m. Stallworth told police he flashed his lights in an attempt to warn Reyes, who was not in a crosswalk.
Stallworth stopped after the crash and reported the accident. Police estimated Stallworth was driving about 50 mph in a 40 mph zone."
From NFL.com
That could have been anybody. Maybe you are in the wrong field if you allow your emotions to make you this close minded.
 
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