Michael Vick Reinstated by NFL

stdreb27

stdreb27

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Originally Posted by Bulldog123
http:///forum/post/3097062
VICK SUCKS!!!!
JMO

Originally Posted by tank a holic
http:///forum/post/3097075
i dont see why a team would want him at QB anyway weather he had fighting dogs or not
what was his passer rating again??? oh close to ZERO
he's nothing more than a RB under center
all he did was hold the falcons back, they did better with ryan in his rookie year than they ever did with vick
I don't think that is the argument. I was and am not a huge fan of Vick. Up until his demise, I think Vick is the stereotype result with the "thug life." This is what happens when a person embraces the idea's proposed where it is cool to be a criminal. Doesn't tell himself no, and fails to surround himself with good people.
The question is what do we as a society do with (at least to this point) a former criminal. Is Vick's punishment by the NFL equitable to other decisions.
And misplaced value of life.
 
darthtang aw

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Originally Posted by jtrzerocool
http:///forum/post/3097081
vick is concidered to have a strong arm among quarterbacks...his accuracy is the problem...but accuracy is fixable...However i do not think he will ever be concidered a "great" quarterback...
Fixable? How many years was he in the league and it wasn't fixed them? They only team he MIGHT work well for would be New england as a back up. This way he can chuck it and they have the wideouts that can go up and get it....But like I said, back up QB is all he is...
 
darthtang aw

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Originally Posted by stdreb27
http:///forum/post/3097086
I don't think that is the argument. I was and am not a huge fan of Vick.
The question is what do we as a society do with (at least to this point) a former criminal. Is Vick's punishment by the NFL equitable to other decisions.
And why is society less willing to forgive a guy who killed dogs, than a guy who killed people.
The guy that killed people has not been tried yet, give it time.....But there are twop differences you are over looking. Stallworth stayed at the scene and tried to help. Vick denied and acted like he wasn't involved. One stepped up and owned their actions, the other tried to run and hide from them.....in this country that is huge.
 
stdreb27

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Originally Posted by Darthtang AW
http:///forum/post/3097089
The guy that killed people has not been tried yet, give it time.....But there are twop differences you are over looking. Stallworth stayed at the scene and tried to help. Vick denied and acted like he wasn't involved. One stepped up and owned their actions, the other tried to run and hide from them.....in this country that is huge.
What about Little from the 90's... I posted a link earlier.
That being said, I don't think you can really judge someone for what he says in the runup to a trial. As far as remorse. Because once lawyers get involved everything is a show.
 
darthtang aw

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Originally Posted by stdreb27
http:///forum/post/3097091
What about Little from the 90's... I posted a link earlier.
That being said, I don't think you can really judge someone for what he says in the runup to a trial. As far as remorse. Because once lawyers get involved everything is a show.
Regarding little and stallworth, the only thing I can think of is "intent". Vick intended to fight and kill with dogs. The two NFL players "intended to drive drunk. They did not intend to kill anyone.
 
stdreb27

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Originally Posted by Darthtang AW
http:///forum/post/3097100
Regarding little and stallworth, the only thing I can think of is "intent". Vick intended to fight and kill with dogs. The two NFL players "intended to drive drunk. They did not intend to kill anyone.
See this is where I think the problem is. Personally, intent or not, someone died because of a criminal act. IMO there are other transportation options, he had the means to use those options. Although I understand and see the need for intent. People do get accidentally get killed and we need to allow for that legally. But I tend to value results a bit more than intent.
 
darthtang aw

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Originally Posted by stdreb27
http:///forum/post/3097118
See this is where I think the problem is. Personally, intent or not, someone died because of a criminal act. IMO there are other transportation options, he had the means to use those options. Although I understand and see the need for intent. People do get accidentally get killed and we need to allow for that legally. But I tend to value results a bit more than intent.
I don't disagree really, I am just showing the clear cut difference. In court (as far as sentencing and reprecussions in life) intent is the major deciding factor.
 
grabbitt

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I despise Vick as a person, but I'll be damned if I don't love to watch him run the field when his receivers are swarmed..
 
yerboy

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I tell ya what gets me pissed is that not long ago Steve Mcnair was killed by his girlfriend and he was deemed a hero by the city of Nashville. Lets not forget he had children and was MARRIED and cheating on his wife at his co owned slam pad.. While vick lost over 180 million dollars served 20+ months in prison and is is deemed the worst person on the plant because of dog fighting. How many people do you know of that ever went to prison for dog fighting? I own pits myself and i hate the idea of fighting them but lets be real, no one has ever suffered as much for that crime then Vick.
Edit i didnt read 1 post on this thread...
 
bulldog123

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Originally Posted by yerboy
http:///forum/post/3097321
I tell ya what gets me pissed is that not long ago Steve Mcnair was killed by his girlfriend and he was deemed a hero by the city of Nashville. Lets not forget he had children and was MARRIED and cheating on his wife at his co owned slam pad.. While vick lost over 180 million dollars served 20+ months in prison and is is deemed the worst person on the plant because of dog fighting. How many people do you know of that ever went to prison for dog fighting? I own pits myself and i hate the idea of fighting them but lets be real, no one has ever suffered as much for that crime then Vick.
Edit i didnt read 1 post on this thread...
What does Mcnair have to do with Vick.
Are you in the 101st or a Tennesseen?
 
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Originally Posted by stdreb27
http:///forum/post/3096988
2 things, one I have a huge problem with the misplaced values people place on animals. Vick killed some dogs. Vick went to jail for over a year and was on house arest for another year. Now the comish is saying he may or may no allow him to play again.
Another NFL player killed a HUMAN. While driving drunk. Getting into a car makes it a purposeful act. He got suspended for 8 games.
How is this equitable. And how is this NOT placing a higher value on the life of a animal VS a human being.
I've been gone all day and I just got back and I couldn't pass this one up. At the expense of really making meowzer mad, I'm gonna go on record and say I don't give a flippin fruit about animals that aren't mine. I don't care that the pound euthanizes, I don't care that people keep rediculous fish in their tank. I don't care if an animal gets hit by a car. My issue is definitly not sympathy for the animal. But if he didn't want it cause it couldn't fight, then give it the red juice, I don't care. It's the manner in which he chose to terminate the dogs. He took pleasure in torturing them.
And if vick were a nerve doctor and I knew about his little history, I sure as heck would want him touching me, but that's the beauty of "other" jobs. Nobody has to know your past. Not so in the NFL. I watched an hour long interview on B Favre. I learned more about him than I ever wanted to know! The NFL is publicized and for that reason, maybe they should scrutinize their potentials a little better.
That's it, I'm writing a letter!
 
reefraff

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Originally Posted by stdreb27
http:///forum/post/3096988
2 things, one I have a huge problem with the misplaced values people place on animals. Vick killed some dogs. Vick went to jail for over a year and was on house arest for another year. Now the comish is saying he may or may no allow him to play again.
Another NFL player killed a HUMAN. While driving drunk. Getting into a car makes it a purposeful act. He got suspended for 8 games.
How is this equitable. And how is this NOT placing a higher value on the life of a animal VS a human being.
Drunk driving is a stupid mistake. Even assuming the guy knew he was drunk he didn't set out to hit that guy. What Vick did was a purposeful act to break the law. He also went out of his way to cause pain to the animals he no longer deemed worthy to be in his stable. It also involved gambling and if you remember the case of the loser QB from Ohio State back in the 70's the NFL has a low tolerance for illegal gambling.
 
stdreb27

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Originally Posted by oscardeuce
http:///forum/post/3097221
I heard that they will not let him play in Cleveland......
Too close to the Dog Pound!

that was kinda funny
Originally Posted by reefraff
http:///forum/post/3097454
Drunk driving is a stupid mistake. Even assuming the guy knew he was drunk he didn't set out to hit that guy. What Vick did was a purposeful act to break the law. He also went out of his way to cause pain to the animals he no longer deemed worthy to be in his stable. It also involved gambling and if you remember the case of the loser QB from Ohio State back in the 70's the NFL has a low tolerance for illegal gambling.
Yeah, because he didn't know he'd been drinking when he got into the car...
 
stdreb27

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Originally Posted by meowzer
http:///forum/post/3097455
It doesn't make me mad....
....It makes me SAD

Don't get me wrong, I'm a big animal lover. I've probably raised more animals than most. I've been up all night feeding the young. Heck I've milked a horse. I just understand that they aren't my children.
 
reefraff

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Originally Posted by stdreb27
http:///forum/post/3097478
that was kinda funny
Yeah, because he didn't know he'd been drinking when he got into the car...
You ever go out for drinks and drive home? Anyone that has ever done much drinking has probably driven over the limit too.
Some people don't feel the effects as much as others. I was watching the show about the shore patrol in florida and they cracked a guy who really didn't look messed up and he ended up blowing over 2. The cop even looked a little surprised.
 
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