Michael Vick Reinstated by NFL

jtrzerocool

jtrzerocool

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Originally Posted by Darthtang AW
http:///forum/post/3096888
How is it different then?
I cant find the exact number of players playing with felonies in the NFL...however i did find that since the start of the 2006 NFL season there were 50 players playing that had been arrested...
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/footb...t-policy_N.htm
now...the company that i work for fires you(nor will they hire you) if you recieve so much as a misdemeanor...
can you see the difference now?...
 
jtrzerocool

jtrzerocool

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off the top of my head i can think of 3 players playing with felonies...
Rey Lewis, Jamal Lewis, and soon to be Michael Vick...
i'm not sure whether packman got a felony with his conviction and Plaxico is likely to get a felony with his conviction...
 
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tizzo

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Originally Posted by jtrzerocool
http:///forum/post/3096875
i think that this line says it all...you and i have different opinions in this situation....
He is free, he is outa prison, he can be with his friends & family and get a job and contribute to society...
How is that not the very definition of a second chance.
And your right, many many NFL players have an arrest record, but animal cruelty is a whole new level.
Heck, many people in general have arrest records, but considering what he actually did, lead, and funded... Should put restrictions on which types if jobs he qualifies for.
 
jtrzerocool

jtrzerocool

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Originally Posted by Tizzo
http:///forum/post/3096909
He is free, he is outa prison, he can be with his friends & family and get a job and contribute to society...
How is that not the very definition of a second chance.
And your right, many many NFL players have an arrest record, but animal cruelty is a whole new level.
Heck, many people in general have arrest records, but considering what he actually did, lead, and funded... Should put restrictions on which types if jobs he qualifies for.
should i get arrested for brutally smashing a fly...or electrocuting it with a fly swatter...or drounding it in a pool of water? should i be charged with werckless driving if i hit a deer and killed it? why does it make it that much worse if it was a dog verses a fly? in either instance a life is taken...
all i am trying to say is that he made a mistake...payed for it...now he should be able to get on with his life doing what he is good at...The NFL happens to let felons play in there league...therefor there is no reason why he shouldnt be able to play in the league...
 
meowzer

meowzer

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Originally Posted by jtrzerocool
http:///forum/post/3096921
should i get arrested for brutally smashing a fly...or electrocuting it with a fly swatter...or drounding it in a pool of water? should i be charged with werckless driving if i hit a deer and killed it? why does it make it that much worse if it was a dog verses a fly? in either instance a life is taken...
all i am trying to say is that he made a mistake...payed for it...now he should be able to get on with his life doing what he is good at...The NFL happens to let felons play in there league...therefor there is no reason why he shouldnt be able to play in the league...
That's kinda pushing it...no way would I compare a dogs life or worth to a freakin fly
 
stdreb27

stdreb27

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Originally Posted by jtrzerocool
http:///forum/post/3096903
off the top of my head i can think of 3 players playing with felonies...
Rey Lewis, Jamal Lewis, and soon to be Michael Vick...
i'm not sure whether packman got a felony with his conviction and Plaxico is likely to get a felony with his conviction...

Originally Posted by Tizzo
http:///forum/post/3096909
He is free, he is outa prison, he can be with his friends & family and get a job and contribute to society...
How is that not the very definition of a second chance.
And your right, many many NFL players have an arrest record, but animal cruelty is a whole new level.
So killing some dogs is worse than killing people?
Little only got an 8 game suspention.
http://www.sctimes.com/article/20090...-fit-the-crime
we aren't breaking new ground here.
 
bang guy

bang guy

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Originally Posted by jtrzerocool
http:///forum/post/3096921
should i get arrested for brutally smashing a fly...or electrocuting it with a fly swatter...or drounding it in a pool of water? should i be charged with werckless driving if i hit a deer and killed it? why does it make it that much worse if it was a dog verses a fly? in either instance a life is taken...
all i am trying to say is that he made a mistake...payed for it...now he should be able to get on with his life doing what he is good at...The NFL happens to let felons play in there league...therefor there is no reason why he shouldnt be able to play in the league...
Our society has not deemed it illegal to electrocute a fly, funding dog fighting has been deemed illegal. It's not a question of an animals worth it's a question of law. When a law is ratified making it illegal to smash flies then law abiding citizens will stop smashing flies. Until then, smash away to your hearts content.
 
stdreb27

stdreb27

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Originally Posted by Tizzo
http:///forum/post/3096938
If one was an accident, then yes.
So it was an accident that he went to the bar, accident that he consumed ALOT of alcohol, (keep in mind this guy is not the averaged sized guy, so .19 level is more than the average person), then got into the car?
This isn't some guy who is soo poor he can't afford to use a taxi...
 
jtrzerocool

jtrzerocool

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Originally Posted by Bang Guy
http:///forum/post/3096933
Our society has not deemed it illegal to electrocute a fly, funding dog fighting has been deemed illegal. It's not a question of an animals worth it's a question of law. When a law is ratified making it illegal to smash flies then law abiding citizens will stop smashing flies. Until then, smash away to your hearts content.
and in our society...we have also deemed it ok to play in the NFL with a felony...others are doing it...why not vick?
 
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tizzo

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Originally Posted by stdreb27
http:///forum/post/3096942
So it was an accident that he went to the bar, accident that he consumed ALOT of alcohol, (keep in mind this guy is not the averaged sized guy, so .19 level is more than the average person), then got into the car?
This isn't some guy who is soo poor he can't afford to use a taxi...

Your reaching. If Had he ran off the road, onto the sidewalk and ran over a person he saw standing there, on purpose, then maybe...
Cause the drink, the bar and getting into his car was not the issue.
The moment he hit that guy, that's the issue. If he was rational enough to hit the brakes, call 911, & stay at the scene, it's fair to say that alcohol wasn't impairing all of his judgement.
I don't know why your defending Vick so much, we all agree he should be free to get a job.
And you keep giving off the wall analogies, that prolly make sense to you, but you still haven't given a reason why he should be accepted back to the NFL as opposed to just getting a regular job.
 
bang guy

bang guy

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Originally Posted by jtrzerocool
http:///forum/post/3096951
and in our society...we have also deemed it ok to play in the NFL with a felony...others are doing it...why not vick?
Yep, it's perfectly legal to reinstate him and it certainly should stay legal. It degrades the sport for me, just my opinion. I believe I am allowed to wish they removed all of the felons from professional sports just as you are allowed to think of them as heroes.
 
stdreb27

stdreb27

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Originally Posted by Tizzo
http:///forum/post/3096955
Your reaching. If Had he ran off the road, onto the sidewalk and ran over a person he saw standing there, on purpose, then maybe...
Cause the drink, the bar and getting into his car was not the issue.
The moment he hit that guy, that's the issue. If he was rational enough to hit the brakes, call 911, & stay at the scene, it's fair to say that alcohol wasn't impairing all of his judgement.
I don't know why your defending Vick so much, we all agree he should be free to get a job.
And you keep giving off the wall analogies, that prolly make sense to you, but you still haven't given a reason why he should be accepted back to the NFL as opposed to just getting a regular job.
2 things, one I have a huge problem with the misplaced values people place on animals. Vick killed some dogs. Vick went to jail for over a year and was on house arest for another year. Now the comish is saying he may or may no allow him to play again.
Another NFL player killed a HUMAN. While driving drunk. Getting into a car makes it a purposeful act. He got suspended for 8 games.
How is this equitable. And how is this NOT placing a higher value on the life of a animal VS a human being.
 
aquaknight

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Originally Posted by reefraff
http:///forum/post/3096884
If you were arrested and went to jail for a felony would you expect to get your same job and pay when you served your time?
Well, if you had a skill level that fewer than probably 50 people in the world have you probably would expect to. Pay probably wouldn't be the same but....
Bingo! It's because Vick does a job none of us can do, he'll likely get some type of gig somewhere. If one of the world's top neurologists working on spinal cord problems happened to get a DUI, I'm fairly sure he'll get to work somewhere on nerves again.
As far what Vick did being worse then what Stallworth did, definitely so. Would a contractor that accidently didn't properly seal the propane line to a stove in a new house and unforunately blew up when a family of 5 was inside, or a guy that enjoys tearing wings off fly's be worse? The bug guy is definitely a lower life form.....
 
meowzer

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misplaced values people place on animals

How sad.....You obviously have never loved...nor been loved by an "animal" something that only knows how to love unconditionally too....
Well this topic is done for me
 
jtrzerocool

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Originally Posted by Bang Guy
http:///forum/post/3096959
Yep, it's perfectly legal to reinstate him and it certainly should stay legal. It degrades the sport for me, just my opinion. I believe I am allowed to wish they removed all of the felons from professional sports just as you are allowed to think of them as heroes.
i personally dont think of any professional athlete as a hero or a scum bag...i watch professional sports purly for entertainment value...i do not decide whether or not an athlete can play that sport...but, the better the athlete, the better entertainment value...the NFL wants and needs to sell tickets, they are a business just like the LFS...and like the LFS, they have a right to put on a product on their shelfs that sells...controversial or not...
i think vick is an amazing athlete and i would love to see him play again...
 
darthtang aw

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Originally Posted by jtrzerocool
http:///forum/post/3096921
should i get arrested for brutally smashing a fly...or electrocuting it with a fly swatter...or drounding it in a pool of water? should i be charged with werckless driving if i hit a deer and killed it? why does it make it that much worse if it was a dog verses a fly? in either instance a life is taken...
all i am trying to say is that he made a mistake...payed for it...now he should be able to get on with his life doing what he is good at...The NFL happens to let felons play in there league...therefor there is no reason why he shouldnt be able to play in the league...

And you have the nerve to comment on my analogy? lmao!
And stop using the term mistake. A mistake is unintentionally screwing up. HE KNEW he was breaking the law...Did he accidentally let go of the leash on his dogs near a pit/pen? Didn't think so.
 
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