Michele Bachmann: Our First Female President?

bionicarm

bionicarm

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You want pension, go see what General Patreus is getting. We have a 4-star general with over 37 years of service. His annual pay before taxes is right at $170K. After 20 years, he'll collect over $4.8 millioin. Now he the Director of the CIA. Talk about the ultimate double-dipper.
 
kiefers

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Originally Posted by bionicarm http:///forum/thread/386391/michele-bachmann-our-first-female-president/140#post_3397213
You want pension, go see what General Patreus is getting. We have a 4-star general with over 37 years of service. His annual pay before taxes is right at $170K. After 20 years, he'll collect over $4.8 millioin. Now he the Director of the CIA. Talk about the ultimate double-dipper.
true to this however, he was "bought" once again, enlisted people over commissioned, totally different pay scale and benefits. Lets be more clear on this please.
 
bionicarm

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Originally Posted by Kiefers http:///forum/thread/386391/michele-bachmann-our-first-female-president/120#post_3397179
Been following for some time.... even chuckled a few times until your statement about the military pensions....... much like this thread, it's a choice. The people that "serve" in this military do it for 2 reasons, well 2 that actually count. One, it's a job and yes with benefits. Benefits that take care of there families. Benefits that pays for the men and women that stepped up to the plate and went overseas for whatever reason and got either killed or wounded to where they need these benefits to help pay the bills like most of us have. The same benefits that pay the retired military service members. These military deserve these benefits as do their families. And trust me when I say this..... I would rather pay their taxes rather the medicare tax. which "happily" pays every bodies health care bill...... even the illegal population, (different topic).
The other reason is DUTY, they feel it is their duty to serve this country, so people like the ones in this thread can talk about Michelle, Obama and crap. Don't get me wrong please, the individuals in this thread all bring up very good points nonetheless, It was and is my "opinion" (because I have EARNED that right) that the military needs to stay out of the mouths of the ignorant.
HM1(AW)(SW)
Less that 1/3 of active duty military service personnel have served a tour in a combat situation. The rest of them 'support' those men and women in some office or facility in the US and Europe. Most of them probably wouldn't remember how to load a weapon. I work with these individuals on a daily basis. I see what they do to earn their service benefits. I have the utmost respect for those service men and women who are in the trenches fighting for our freedoms. They deserve every dime that comes to them. It's the other 2/3rds I disagree with.
 
kiefers

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Originally Posted by bionicarm http:///forum/thread/386391/michele-bachmann-our-first-female-president/140#post_3397217
Less that 1/3 of active duty military service personnel have served a tour in a combat situation. The rest of them 'support' those men and women in some office or facility in the US and Europe. Most of them probably wouldn't remember how to load a weapon. I work with these individuals on a daily basis. I see what they do to earn their service benefits. I have the utmost respect for those service men and women who are in the trenches fighting for our freedoms. They deserve every dime that comes to them. It's the other 2/3rds I disagree with.
In nearly every aspect of the work force you will have your slackers.... true, they are all over the place, it is still inconsiderate to label "ALL" pensions and benefits should be cut. What about these CEO's taking on multi million dollar bonuses, while the true workers are working there arses off.
 
bionicarm

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Let's go with an E-7, Sergeant First Class, 22 years of service. They only get $19K a year after taxes. After 10 year $220K, after 20, $530K. I doubt they would head to the beach and sit on a rocking chair with this kind of money, but most 'retired' military personnel I know turn around and either go back to the same job they had in the military as a contractor, or find a job doing similar work in the civilian sector. I don't know many major corporation who even offer pensions any longer, much less at the numbers the military provides.
 
bionicarm

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Originally Posted by Kiefers http:///forum/thread/386391/michele-bachmann-our-first-female-president/140#post_3397218
In nearly every aspect of the work force you will have your slackers.... true, they are all over the place, it is still inconsiderate to label "ALL" pensions and benefits should be cut. What about these CEO's taking on multi million dollar bonuses, while the true workers are working there arses off.
The CEO "golden paarchutes" is what Obama is trying to eliminate (hence the taxing of the rich). The Republicans don't want to have anything to do with that.
I'm not talking totall elimination. Have active and non-active duty members contribute more for their TRICARE. Don't provide instant COLA raises on pensions. Scale back on the pay of Officer-Grade personnel. I find it ridiculous they pay some Colonel that sits around in a Branch Office "leading" other non-essential personnel $130K/year plus benefits to do that job.
 
kiefers

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Originally Posted by bionicarm http:///forum/thread/386391/michele-bachmann-our-first-female-president/140#post_3397219
Let's go with an E-7, Sergeant First Class, 22 years of service. They only get $19K a year after taxes. After 10 year $220K, after 20, $530K. I doubt they would head to the beach and sit on a rocking chair with this kind of money, but most 'retired' military personnel I know turn around and either go back to the same job they had in the military as a contractor, or find a job doing similar work in the civilian sector. I don't know many major corporation who even offer pensions any longer, much less at the numbers the military provides.
whats this 10 year 220K stuff, can I ask you where your getting your numbers from? My good friend just retired a year ago as a Command Master chief, 28 years of service, and I seriously believe he would love to see this in his bank account..... but he is not.
 
kiefers

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I'm sorry for taking this thread off trac..... Darth, you can continue with your debate, didn't mean to interrupt. kief is out!
 
darthtang aw

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I'm sorry for taking this thread off trac..... Darth, you can continue with your debate, didn't mean to interrupt. kief is out!
No worries, carry on this debate. These political threads usually morph into multiple debates. No big.
Waiting to see if bionic changes his figures before I chime in. My dad retired after 20 years as an e7 staff seargent. Two tours in the jungle in the 70s......I can give exact figures on pension and retirement benefits for this rank.
 
kiefers

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Originally Posted by Darthtang AW http:///forum/thread/386391/michele-bachmann-our-first-female-president/140#post_3397239
No worries, carry on this debate. These political threads usually morph into multiple debates. No big.
Waiting to see if bionic changes his figures before I chime in. My dad retired after 20 years as an e7 staff seargent. Two tours in the jungle in the 70s......I can give exact figures on pension and retirement benefits for this rank.
so..... it's okay to cut his pension then? Medical coverage? I don't want to sound like a lib or nuthin..... Lol
 
darthtang aw

darthtang aw

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so..... it's okay to cut his pension then? Medical coverage? I don't want to sound like a lib or nuthin..... Lol
 
No, I disagree with cutting any benefits to military personnel, with one exception. Theoretically they could cut the funding for the college scholarship program for all new enlistments...with an effective start date of next year. This would be the ONLY cut towards military benefits I would possibly go along with. My issue with bionic is this, he wants to expand tricare to the public......tri care is already heavily funded by the government, to expand that to 300 million people would bankrupt us. We couldn't collect enough taxes from everyone to cover the costs. If you want the tri care benefit, join the military......after all, according to bionic, 3/4 of them don't do enough to warrant their pay, pension, or benefits. 6et he was against the unions paying a small amount towards their pensions.
 
kiefers

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+100....Thank you. I agree 100% on the g.I bill too. I started paying on mine during my first 2 weeks of boot. I believe after you have slacked,..... er uhm served, sorry, for atleast 1 to 2 years then you may qualify for the G.I. bill.
 
bionicarm

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The information is readily available on www.military.com:
http://militarypay.defense.gov/mpcalcs/Calculators/FinalPayHigh3.aspx
The earliest retirement date is 2010, and you can make adjustments for inflation, annual COLA raise, and tax rate.
As far as Tricare, a retired serviceman with a family pays a whopping $460/year for a medical benefits package that is comparable to most private sector healthcare plans (Tricare Premium). My employees pay that per month for their health insurance. The Republicans and Military PAC's pitched a fit when it was recently proposed that they increase these premium amounts. You want to reduce the deficit? EVERYONE needs to suck it up and bite the bullet.
 
darthtang aw

darthtang aw

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The information is readily available on www.military.com:

http://militarypay.defense.gov/mpcalcs/Calculators/FinalPayHigh3.aspx

The earliest retirement date is 2010, and you can make adjustments for inflation, annual COLA raise, and tax rate.


As far as Tricare, a retired serviceman with a family pays a whopping $460/year for a medical benefits package that is comparable to most private sector healthcare plans (Tricare Premium). My employees pay that per month for their health insurance. The Republicans and Military PAC's pitched a fit when it was recently proposed that they increase these premium amounts. You want to reduce the deficit? EVERYONE needs to suck it up and bite the bullet.
I thought you knew someone that just retired...now you are giving me links? So you are telling me a 22 year serviceman at rank e7 is receiving a 6 figure pension a year? My dad has some splainin to do.
By the way, nice choice of words, "bite the bullet". I believe our service members alreqdy do far more than you, myself, reef, streb, and manttis combined. Funny the military effectively keeps you in business, yet you slam them each chance you get, pointing out this" moron" or this" idiot".
Bionic, just come clean, you dislike military personnel and see yoursedlf as superior to most of them. Because with every post you make on this subject now and in the past, that is the tone we all see.
Darth (shaking head) Tang
 
darthtang aw

darthtang aw

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Oh and regardless of rank, enlisted or officer. They all signed their life over to the government to defend and uphold the ideals and interests of this country. Regardless of personal beliefs or views.
Officers fly planes and operate heavy equipment in the field. Officers have the responsibility of hundreds to thousands of lives to command and direct. People don't become officers because it is agravy train job and an easy pension. They become officdrs because they can lead..........this isn't some union plant where the senior guy gets the officer position.
Darth (stepping away before I say something) Tang
 
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