Michele Bachmann: Our First Female President?

[darthtang aw]

To get the pension bionic referenced, you have to be in for 20 years. 20 years of constant moving. And the cola is determined by many factors..........bionic had it set at a 3.8% increase per year. My father can attest that the cola adjustment fluctuates yearly.

 

[bang guy]

I can tell you that my military pension is not enough to live on all by itself. It's not like you put in 20 years and you're all set for the rest of your life. Tricare is an excellent backup for major stuff but I still pay for seperate medical insurance.

 

[darthtang aw]

I can tell you that my military pension is not enough to live on all by itself. It's not like you put in 20 years and you're all set for the rest of your life. Tricare is an excellent backup for major stuff but I still pay for seperate medical insurance.
Exactly.

 

[bionicarm]

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Originally Posted by Darthtang AW http:///forum/thread/386391/michele-bachmann-our-first-female-president/140#post_3397258
Oh and regardless of rank, enlisted or officer. They all signed their life over to the government to defend and uphold the ideals and interests of this country. Regardless of personal beliefs or views.
Officers fly planes and operate heavy equipment in the field. Officers have the responsibility of hundreds to thousands of lives to command and direct. People don't become officers because it is agravy train job and an easy pension. They become officdrs because they can lead..........this isn't some union plant where the senior guy gets the officer position.
Darth (stepping away before I say something) Tang
Hate to burst your bubble, but not every officer got that rank due to their leading abilities. I worked at Brooks AFB back in the 90's at a Laser Lab that tested eyewear for pilots. Half the staff was Optometrists and Opthomologists. Not one of them saw a day of combat. Three were Majors, two were LC's, and one was a Colonel. We also had a couple of Captains that were Lab technicians that specialized in lasers and laser theory. Plus a couple of Lt. and Captain's that maintained the animals (we shot lasers into the eyes of rabbits and Recess monkeys).
I work with 4 Captains, a couple of Majors, and several LC's in the Cyber Security Division at Lackland AFB here in San Antonio. I've been over to the Europe and Middle East sector more than they have. NONE of them have ever been stationed overseas with the exception of Hawaii and Ramstein.
Bionic (say all you want) Arm

 

[bionicarm]

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Originally Posted by Darthtang AW http:///forum/thread/386391/michele-bachmann-our-first-female-president/160#post_3397268
To get the pension bionic referenced, you have to be in for 20 years. 20 years of constant moving. And the cola is determined by many factors..........bionic had it set at a 3.8% increase per year. My father can attest that the cola adjustment fluctuates yearly.
Depends on your field in the military. Those officers I worked with at Brooks had been stationed there for over 10 years. Most of them retired when they shut the base down. Granted, I do have inidividuals that have moved every 2 or 3 years, but it's not some desolate arid base in the Middle East. Dayton, Ohio, Sacremento, California, Las Vegas, NV, Japan, Tawaii, Hawaii, Germany, maybe Guam or Alaska if you tick someon off.

 

[darthtang aw]

*sigh* yes, not all officers receive their rank due to duty or leadership ability. Some do attain that rank based off education lev el just like in the private sector. Unlike the priivate sector they all went through boot camp....and various trainings. They all still have to do field drills every 3 to 6 months, depending upon branch. They also can not negotiate pay, nor put in a two weeks notice if they get irritated. They canmt collect unemployment if dishonoably discharged (unlike people that get fired).
I don't care if they are stationed state side...they move every 3 years. You complained about texas so much I said why don't you move? And you launched into a fit about uprooting kids from school, finding a new home, wife having to change jobs. What do you think these military families have to do each time? It takes it toll on the family as well....a military wife canmt have a career. Military children don't have best friends their whole life....
You are taking the minority exception to the standard and painting a broad brush about the military pention and military practices.
The one aspect you keep ignoring, the govt. Owns you. You become property of the u.s. government. Are your employees your property?

 

[bionicarm]

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Originally Posted by Darthtang AW http:///forum/thread/386391/michele-bachmann-our-first-female-president/140#post_3397255
I thought you knew someone that just retired...now you are giving me links? So you are telling me a 22 year serviceman at rank e7 is receiving a 6 figure pension a year? My dad has some splainin to do.
By the way, nice choice of words, "bite the bullet". I believe our service members alreqdy do far more than you, myself, reef, streb, and manttis combined. Funny the military effectively keeps you in business, yet you slam them each chance you get, pointing out this" moron" or this" idiot".
Bionic, just come clean, you dislike military personnel and see yoursedlf as superior to most of them. Because with every post you make on this subject now and in the past, that is the tone we all see.
Darth (shaking head) Tang
Look at the figures I posted for an E7 again. $19K/year after taxes. I said it wasn't something they could retire on and simply quit working.
I've worked as a contractor in some capacity at every Air Force base and Army base in San Antonio since 1981 (Randolph, Brooks, Lackland, Kelly, Ft. Sam Houston). I'm probably the closest you'll see as being actually part of the military without ever enlisting or serving in an active duty capacity. I've worked with hundreds of well-deserved, hard-working, totally dedicated military personnel that I've respected completely for their services rendered. I've also worked with hundreds of some of the laziest, most useless, and wasteful military individuals you would ever meet. So yes, I've seen both sides of the spectrum. You'd be surprised at the number of military personnel who aren't as 'dedicated' as you make them out to be. Many of those who enlisted in the late 70's, early 80's didn't want anything to do with Kuwait. They started dropping like flies, unless they were getting close to the 20 years.

 

[bionicarm]

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Originally Posted by Darthtang AW http:///forum/thread/386391/michele-bachmann-our-first-female-president/160#post_3397292
*sigh* yes, not all officers receive their rank due to duty or leadership ability. Some do attain that rank based off education lev el just like in the private sector. Unlike the priivate sector they all went through boot camp....and various trainings. They all still have to do field drills every 3 to 6 months, depending upon branch. They also can not negotiate pay, nor put in a two weeks notice if they get irritated. They canmt collect unemployment if dishonoably discharged (unlike people that get fired).
I don't care if they are stationed state side...they move every 3 years. You complained about texas so much I said why don't you move? And you launched into a fit about uprooting kids from school, finding a new home, wife having to change jobs. What do you think these military families have to do each time? It takes it toll on the family as well....a military wife canmt have a career. Military children don't have best friends their whole life....
You are taking the minority exception to the standard and painting a broad brush about the military pention and military practices.
The one aspect you keep ignoring, the govt. Owns you. You become property of the u.s. government. Are your employees your property?
I'd move out of Texas oin a heartbeat. Unfortunately, my wife and kids like it here.
Dude, my wife was an Air Force brat. She was born in Edinburgh, Scotland. She lived in Japan, Taiwan, Germany, Hawaii, and the Phillipines. Her father retired here in San Antonio back in '79. That's why she doesn't like moving around anymore. A military wife can't have a career? Where do you get that? There's two Captains I work with whose wives are RN's at the same hospital my wife works at. They've moved 3 times in their career, and their wives had no problems getting a job where they were re-stationed. I know other wives who are teachers, work iin the IT field as contractors (I have one working for me), and various other types of careers. Talk about somone that watches too many movies...

 

[bang guy]

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Originally Posted by bionicarm http:///forum/thread/386391/michele-bachmann-our-first-female-president/160#post_3397300
Many of those who enlisted in the late 70's, early 80's didn't want anything to do with Kuwait. They started dropping like flies, unless they were getting close to the 20 years.
This is true from my anecdotal observations, especially from a certain gender (again, just observation).
Bang (keep it real) Guy

 

[darthtang aw]

Yet you want to cut these pensions.
There are bad apples in every field. You for example, we don't see eye to eye on anything, we have name called back and forth, but I don't talk bad about the people in your field of work or use you as the main staple to justify my view about an industry. Why? Because I understand everyone is different. Just like our military....but the reason they ALWAYS will hold my respect is they are making a sacrifice to a degree that you and I can't or wouldn't.
You still haven't explained why you were against the wisconsin union members paying an extra 2% into their own pentions, but want to cut military pention. That still baffles me.

 

[darthtang aw]

I'd move out of Texas oin a heartbeat.  Unfortunately, my wife and kids like it here.
 
Dude, my wife was an Air Force brat.  She was born in Edinburgh, Scotland.  She lived in Japan, Taiwan, Germany, Hawaii, and the Phillipines.  Her father retired here in San Antonio back in '79.  That's why she doesn't like moving around anymore.  A military wife can't have a career?  Where do you get that?  There's two Captains I work with whose wives are RN's at the same hospital my wife works at.  They've moved 3 times in their career, and their wives had no problems getting a job where they were re-stationed.  I know other wives who are teachers, work iin the IT field as contractors (I have one working for me), and various other types of careers.  Talk about somone that watches too many movies...
 
Oh, they can hold the same job in many places, but moving up within an organization usually takes time in. Will any of those teachers go on to be super intendents; what are the odds of the rn nurses ever being in charge of their wards? If a military wife nurse moves to a city that doesn't need nurses (albuquerque isn't hiring any nurses right now as our market is saturated) how is her nursing career progressing?
Job does not equate career. Career equats long term advancement. Which usually isn't there for military wives.

 

[darthtang aw]

This is true from my anecdotal observations, especially from a certain gender (again, just observation). 
 
Bang (keep it real) Guy
 
My family will second this statement.
Darth (motion passed) Tang

 

[bionicarm]

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Originally Posted by Darthtang AW http:///forum/thread/386391/michele-bachmann-our-first-female-president/160#post_3397308
Oh, they can hold the same job in many places, but moving up within an organization usually takes time in. Will any of those teachers go on to be super intendents; what are the odds of the rn nurses ever being in charge of their wards? If a military wife nurse moves to a city that doesn't need nurses (albuquerque isn't hiring any nurses right now as our market is saturated) how is her nursing career progressing?
Job does not equate career. Career equats long term advancement. Which usually isn't there for military wives.
In the case of RN's, that's rarely the case anymore. My wife has been an ICU RN for almost 30 years. She's had no desire whatsoever to move into an Administrative positon. She's seen the BS they have to put up with. Contract nurses make more per hour than the staff nurses do. Most hospitals prefer them over hiring staff. My wife plays "charge nurse" all the time (they rotate it around because that job is such a pain).
You make the best out of any career you have. It's not always about the prestige, or even the money. Most teachers do it for the shear satisfaction that they are contributing to the education of a child.
Would you see many military wives who become CEO's, CIO's, or CFO's in their companies? Probably not, unless they know they're working in a job when their husband is getting close to getting out. Experience is cumulative. I'll take a person whose been in the IT profession for 20 years, bouncing around city to city during that timeframe, over some person whose worked at the same company for 15 years any day, as long as I see it was because that person was related somehow to the military, or had a reason for moving around.

 

[bionicarm]

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Originally Posted by Darthtang AW http:///forum/thread/386391/michele-bachmann-our-first-female-president/160#post_3397306
Yet you want to cut these pensions.
There are bad apples in every field. You for example, we don't see eye to eye on anything, we have name called back and forth, but I don't talk bad about the people in your field of work or use you as the main staple to justify my view about an industry. Why? Because I understand everyone is different. Just like our military....but the reason they ALWAYS will hold my respect is they are making a sacrifice to a degree that you and I can't or wouldn't.
You still haven't explained why you were against the wisconsin union members paying an extra 2% into their own pentions, but want to cut military pention. That still baffles me.
Because the Wisconsin union members aren't being paid by my tax dollars. Evey dime that goes to a military persons pay, benefits, pensions, etc. come from our tax dollars. The Wisconsin Union workers pensions aren't affecting the deficit, the military pension are.

 

[hydrodamoper]

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Originally Posted by bionicarm http:///forum/thread/386391/michele-bachmann-our-first-female-president/160#post_3397317
Because the Wisconsin union members aren't being paid by my tax dollars. Evey dime that goes to a military persons pay, benefits, pensions, etc. come from our tax dollars. The Wisconsin Union workers pensions aren't affecting the deficit, the military pension are.
If it bothers you so much that your tax dollars pay military members, then maybe you should stop enjoying all the freedoms you get from them.
Dude, you make some generally stupid comments, but complaining because the military gets paid with tax dollars is just crazy. Maybe we can save a few bucks by cutting the military pay too! I worked for my retirement pay. I work now because my pension is not enough. Anybody who does +20 yrs in the military deserves what they get. And trust me, it isnt alot!

 

[darthtang aw]

 
Because the Wisconsin union members aren't being paid by my tax dollars.  Evey dime that goes to a military persons pay, benefits, pensions, etc. come from our tax dollars.  The Wisconsin Union workers pensions aren't affecting the deficit, the military pension are.
 
They were on the state budget though. So wisconsin asking a pensioned union state employee to increase the percentage they pay in for their pension by a small percentage is a bad idea. Even if it will help the state budget. But cutting military personnel pensions to alleviate federal budget is good. Dude, your logic is redonkulous.
Darth (say no to drugs) Tang

 

[darthtang aw]

If it bothers you so much that your tax dollars pay military members, then maybe you should stop enjoying all the freedoms you get from them.
 
Dude, you make some generally stupid comments, but complaining because the military gets paid with tax dollars is just crazy. Maybe we can save a few bucks by cutting the military pay too! I worked for my retirement pay. I work now because my pension is not enough. Anybody who does +20 yrs in the military deserves what they get. And trust me, it isnt alot!
 
 
 
 
 
+1
Darth (wanna be my best friend) Tang

 

[reefraff]

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Originally Posted by bionicarm http:///forum/thread/386391/michele-bachmann-our-first-female-president/120#post_3397208
Anyone could cram for the bar and pass if it they felt inclined. Bachmann proves that point.
Yea, how'd she earn that money? Doing whirlwind book tours and speeches because "blinded bleating sheepers" like you would be stupid enough to pay to hear her condensending rhetoric. The old saying that is tagged to B.T Barnum comes to mind.....
Spoken like someone who lacks the intelligence to pass the Bar exam, Oh, seeing as how you seem to be ignorant of the facts Ms. Bachmann got her advanced law degree from a little no account school called William and Mary's. I guess your pajama clad blog master failed to mention that when you got your talking points

 

[bionicarm]

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Originally Posted by Darthtang AW http:///forum/thread/386391/michele-bachmann-our-first-female-president/160#post_3397343
They were on the state budget though. So wisconsin asking a pensioned union state employee to increase the percentage they pay in for their pension by a small percentage is a bad idea. Even if it will help the state budget. But cutting military personnel pensions to alleviate federal budget is good. Dude, your logic is redonkulous.
Darth (say no to drugs) Tang
You just despise unions, period. I could care less about the Wisconsin state budget because I don't live there. You're crying that Obama isn't doing enough to cut spending, but cutting back multi-million dollar pensions for officers is taboo. You hae no problems with these multi-billionaires who reap the benefits of the Bush Tax Cuts raking in the Golden Parachutes on our tax dollar, but you whine about someone stating they could raise the premiums for TriCare to the ame amounts the private sector pays for health insurance.
Freedoms? You're telling me I'm safer now than I was 8 years ago when Bush drug us into the Iraq War? Terrorism has been completely erradicated, and I never have to worry about another 9/11? Dude, I've done my share of protecting your "freedoms". Cyber-terrorism is one of the biggest threats this country faces on a daily basis. If you knew some of the stuff that comes through ur military networks, you wouldn't be sleeping so easy at night.

 

[bionicarm]

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Originally Posted by Hydrodamoper http:///forum/thread/386391/michele-bachmann-our-first-female-president/160#post_3397337
If it bothers you so much that your tax dollars pay military members, then maybe you should stop enjoying all the freedoms you get from them.
Dude, you make some generally stupid comments, but complaining because the military gets paid with tax dollars is just crazy. Maybe we can save a few bucks by cutting the military pay too! I worked for my retirement pay. I work now because my pension is not enough. Anybody who does +20 yrs in the military deserves what they get. And trust me, it isnt alot!
Guess you should've applied for Officer's Candidacy School, instead of staying a non-comp. Maybe you should complain about the disparity of pension pay between non-cmmissioned and commissioned officers. Not alot? Guess you haven't seen the retirement pay scale for an O-5 or O-6. Major's with 20 years get over $32K - $35K/year after taxes. That's not considered alot? I know people who've worked for the same company for 25 years. You know what their pension is? ZILCH, ZIPPO, NADA. The only retirement income they have to look forward to is what they put in a 401k, stocks, or Mutual Funds. But that doesn't count because they didn't have to move their families 3 or 4 times, including at least one tour overseas living in low-cost housing. You know what kind of health insurance they get? The only one they can afford at close to $500/month in premiums (if they don't have a pre-existing condition).
Nothing wrong with making pay cuts either. Major corporations are having to cut back. Layoffs happen everyday. My wife hasn't seen a pay raise in 5 years. Congress just pased another bill giving active duty another pay raise.