My first time in jail...

aw2x3

aw2x3

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Originally Posted by meowzer
http:///forum/post/3214732
Sorry to hear that....Do you think you will get them back? How did they justify taking them when you had all the papers???/

Originally Posted by Keri
http:///forum/post/3214737
Whaaat?? What is the point of requiring permits and then not honouring them??!!
BUNK!!!

Originally Posted by Veni Vidi Vici
http:///forum/post/3214738
HUH? How could they charge you with:
1 count unlawful possession of an injurous animal (male albino Monocled Cobra)
1 count unlawful possession of an injurous animal (female albino Monocled Cobra)
If you have valid permits?
EXACTLY what I'm wondering.
And no, I will not get the snakes back.
I asked, repeatedly, if someone on their "team" knew how to handle them and flat out told them "If you do not know what you're doing, there's a VERY good chance you will be killed". The only answer I got was "I sure hope they know what they're doing".
One guy, I asked, said "I know to stay away from the business end, of them!"
I told them that now that they were in their possession, someone being hurt was NOT my responsibility.
 
reefraff

reefraff

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One thing that doesn't make sense to me, what is the point of asking for permits if the snakes are illegal to possess in the state of Illinois?
I would actually be more interested in keeping Cobra's than the big constrictors. Nothing else quite like a Cobra, fascinating critters.
 
reefraff

reefraff

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Originally Posted by AW2x3
http:///forum/post/3214741
I told them that now that they were in their possession, someone being hurt was NOT my responsibility.
Hopefully not going to be an issue but as a matter of fact in the eyes of the law it would be your responsibility until they are in the hands of a refuge or something.
 
socal57che

socal57che

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Originally Posted by reefraff
http:///forum/post/3214743
One thing that doesn't make sense to me, what is the point of asking for permits if the snakes are illegal to possess in the state of Illinois?
I would actually be more interested in keeping Cobra's than the big constrictors. Nothing else quite like a Cobra, fascinating critters.
I figure it's like owning a class III weapon. Machine guns are illegal to own.........unless you have the federal tax stamp to go with it.
Once he produced permits, the issue should have gone away. Then there's the issue with the constrictors....illegal regardless, but they were discovered as part of the search for illegal cobras...which were actually legal as per the permits.
 
reefraff

reefraff

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Originally Posted by socal57che
http:///forum/post/3214749
I figure it's like owning a class III weapon. Machine guns are illegal to own.........unless you have the federal tax stamp to go with it.
According to what I just read they would have to be a facility with the proper licensing. But I would be shocked if someplace like that would risk said license getting involved in an illegal sale from an individual.
AW, Did you know the Cobras were illegal in your state?
 
meowzer

meowzer

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Well I hope the Cobras are ok....NOW I am NOT a snake lover or anything, but I would hate to see anything mistreated...even a snake :(
 
keri

keri

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I would think if you can get a Permit you can have one - only illegal if No Permit... no?
 
reefraff

reefraff

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I have no life

Summary of Law: No person may harbor, care for, act as a custodian, or maintain in his possession any dangerous animal except at a properly maintained zoological park, federally licensed exhibit, circus, scientific or educational institution, research laboratory, veterinary hospital or animal refuge. "Dangerous animal" means a lion, tiger, leopard, ocelot, jaguar, cheetah, margay, mountain lion, lynx, bobcat, jaguarundi, bear, hyena, wolf, coyote, or any poisonous life-threatening reptile. However, there are no state requirements for a person possessing non-human primates and other exotic species not defined as "dangerous animals."
 
aquaknight

aquaknight

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Originally Posted by reefraff
http:///forum/post/3214755
I have no life

Summary of Law: No person may harbor, care for, act as a custodian, or maintain in his possession any dangerous animal except at a properly maintained zoological park, federally licensed exhibit, circus, scientific or educational institution, research laboratory, veterinary hospital or animal refuge. "Dangerous animal" means a lion, tiger, leopard, ocelot, jaguar, cheetah, margay, mountain lion, lynx, bobcat, jaguarundi, bear, hyena, wolf, coyote, or any poisonous life-threatening reptile. However, there are no state requirements for a person possessing non-human primates and other exotic species not defined as "dangerous animals."
Dingo's didn't make that list. And we all know how they do with small children
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aw2x3

aw2x3

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Originally Posted by reefraff
http:///forum/post/3214750
According to what I just read they would have to be a facility with the proper licensing. But I would be shocked if someplace like that would risk said license getting involved in an illegal sale from an individual.
AW, Did you know the Cobras were illegal in your state?
Yes, I know that venomous are illegal to own, in the state of Illinois...UNLESS you have the proper permits, issued by the State, which I have.
Originally Posted by reefraff
http:///forum/post/3214755
I have no life

Summary of Law: No person may harbor, care for, act as a custodian, or maintain in his possession any dangerous animal except at a properly maintained zoological park, federally licensed exhibit, circus, scientific or educational institution, research laboratory, veterinary hospital or animal refuge. "Dangerous animal" means a lion, tiger, leopard, ocelot, jaguar, cheetah, margay, mountain lion, lynx, bobcat, jaguarundi, bear, hyena, wolf, coyote, or any poisonous life-threatening reptile. However, there are no state requirements for a person possessing non-human primates and other exotic species not defined as "dangerous animals."
Unless you apply for AND receive a "refuge" permit, which I have. Just off the top of my head, it allows to me to have things like racoon, opossum, skunk, wild cats (bob cat, lynx), bears (black bear only) and, venomous reptiles (as long as they're not threatened or endangered).
 
t316

t316

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The cobras are poisonous, and venomous. I am curious as to the limitations/viability of said permits. This entire case rests on this. Are the permits legit and honored or not? If they are, open/shut case. If not, which I am inclined to believe (not faulting you AW), then why did this go so far? Surely they did not send in rookie cops right out of BLET to take on this sting. It doesn't happen that way. They know the laws, permits, etc.. I agree that tacking on the additional charges is just standard procedure, but if the permits are allowable in your state, and everything is legit, they would have walked away.
 
socal57che

socal57che

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Originally Posted by T316
http:///forum/post/3214774
The cobras are poisonous, and venomous. I am curious as to the limitations/viability of said permits. This entire case rests on this. Are the permits legit and honored or not? If they are, open/shut case. If not, which I am inclined to believe (not faulting you AW), then why did this go so far? Surely they did not send in rookie cops right out of BLET to take on this sting. It doesn't happen that way. They know the laws, permits, etc.. I agree that tacking on the additional charges is just standard procedure, but if the permits are allowable in your state, and everything is legit, they would have walked away.
Gun laws in Ca are so messed up that we, as AR-15 owners, carry copies of the statutes (which allow us to build our fine black rifles under state laws) because law enforcement simply does not know what is legal to own and what is not. Calguns.net assembled a guide which has since been used by law enforcement to train officers on what is allowed by law and what is isn't.
If there is grey area, I'm inclined to believe that the officers simply did not realize that AW was able to acquire a refuge permit, so left it out of the equation.
 
t316

t316

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And as far as the whole "entering the house", "bumming the smokes", and assuring you that you were NOT under arrest......My hats off to those guys. As a former cop, that was freakin' classic school 101. In this case, it sounds like they got the wrong dude, b/c AW seems to know his stuff and was doing everything by the books. But, don't fault those guys on this. There was nothing illegal about any of that. As a matter of fact, once you gave them permission to enter, they had the right to search every underwear drawer, gun safe, nook and cranny from there on.
 
t316

t316

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Originally Posted by socal57che
http:///forum/post/3214782
Gun laws in Ca are so messed up that we, as AR-15 owners, carry copies of the statutes (which allow us to build our fine black rifles under state laws) because law enforcement simply does not know what is legal to own and what is not. Calguns.net assembled a guide which has since been used by law enforcement to train officers on what is allowed by law and what is not.
If there is grey area, I'm inclined to believe that the officers simply did not realize that AW was able to acquire a refuge permit, so left it out of the equation.
I can agree with this....especially dealing with gun laws. A cop really has to know his stuff to interpret the crap that is out there now days. Same thing probably does apply to animals/reptiles. But I would assume (hope rather) that they didn't send Barney Fife in there for this kind of bust. If they did, they are going to get smeared in court...
 
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