New Strains of Ich - Beware
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cranberry
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Why start a thread if you want to share info via PM only. I'm not asking for proprietary information, just looking for the basics. What's the name of the product, what they say the ingredients are and what independent studies have to done to support their claim.
If there is a new strain, where is the scientific data? There are a lot of things that are just speculation in this hobby because that's as good as it gets right now. But to say a pathologist found a mutant strains of ich.... that HAS to be studied somewhere. A hobbyist or a professional can't just pull that claim out of the air. To say there is a separate strain there has to be a comparative study between the two.
If the product only lists their ingredients as propriety, just say that. But the products name and the studies should not be a trade secret they want to keep secret.... if it is indeed legit.
But any product that doesn't disclose their ingredients will never be put into my tank or recommended by myself.
If there is a new strain, where is the scientific data? There are a lot of things that are just speculation in this hobby because that's as good as it gets right now. But to say a pathologist found a mutant strains of ich.... that HAS to be studied somewhere. A hobbyist or a professional can't just pull that claim out of the air. To say there is a separate strain there has to be a comparative study between the two.
If the product only lists their ingredients as propriety, just say that. But the products name and the studies should not be a trade secret they want to keep secret.... if it is indeed legit.
But any product that doesn't disclose their ingredients will never be put into my tank or recommended by myself.
it's chuck
Member
Alright so if I'm reading this correctly you're telling that the Cryptocaryon parasite is evloving in the OCEAN as a result of our isolated treatments in our aquariums. WOW you sir are a gentleman and a scholar and I would like to thank you for bringing this amazing super cure to my attention and singlehandly saving every fish I will ever own
windlasher
Member
Originally Posted by It's Chuck
http:///forum/post/3056280
Alright so if I'm reading this correctly you're telling that the Cryptocaryon parasite is evloving in the OCEAN as a result of our isolated treatments in our aquariums. WOW you sir are a gentleman and a scholar and I would like to thank you for bring this amazing super cure to my attention and singlehandly saving every fish I will ever own
I gave you guys the only sure fire cure for Cryptocaryon last week. BORG Nanoprobes. Get with it.
http:///forum/post/3056280
Alright so if I'm reading this correctly you're telling that the Cryptocaryon parasite is evloving in the OCEAN as a result of our isolated treatments in our aquariums. WOW you sir are a gentleman and a scholar and I would like to thank you for bring this amazing super cure to my attention and singlehandly saving every fish I will ever own
I gave you guys the only sure fire cure for Cryptocaryon last week. BORG Nanoprobes. Get with it.
meowzer
Moderator
Originally Posted by It's Chuck
http:///forum/post/3056280
Alright so if I'm reading this correctly you're telling that the Cryptocaryon parasite is evloving in the OCEAN as a result of our isolated treatments in our aquariums. WOW you sir are a gentleman and a scholar and I would like to thank you for bring this amazing super cure to my attention and singlehandly saving every fish I will ever own
They have ich in the ocean
http:///forum/post/3056280
Alright so if I'm reading this correctly you're telling that the Cryptocaryon parasite is evloving in the OCEAN as a result of our isolated treatments in our aquariums. WOW you sir are a gentleman and a scholar and I would like to thank you for bring this amazing super cure to my attention and singlehandly saving every fish I will ever own
They have ich in the ocean
florida joe
Well-Known Member
Of course not ick starts its life cycle when it is introduced into a tank in our LFS or online supplier
windlasher
Member
Originally Posted by florida joe
http:///forum/post/3056303
Of course not ick starts its life cycle when it is introduced into a tank in our LFS or online supplier
WRONG - Little kids give our fish ick. Just hope you fish don't get the dreaded eeeeew! or the infamous yucko! Then you will really be in trouble.
florida joe
Well-Known Member
Originally Posted by windlasher
http:///forum/post/3056312
WRONG - Little kids give our fish ick. Just hope you fish don't get the dreaded eeeeew! or the infamous yucko! Then you will really be in trouble.
Wait I just had an epiphany on the ick cure. Wash it off and kiss it up to god within 5 seconds
locoyo386
Member
Originally Posted by deejeff442
http:///forum/post/3055737
i also found a cure for cancer but i am keeping it to myself.
i dont want to put the drug companies out of business.
jeez talk to one guy who i guess knows a little something and the world changes.
wonder if the 250,000 other scientists know about mutating ich?
why would there be mutating ich when the ocean isnt in hypo or copper for it to have to change?
if there is a new product for ich that is awesome but dont see ich mutating since most of us only treat ich maybe once or twice in a fishes lifetime.
Believe it or not but there is rumor that the Vatican has a cure for cancer. No one knows for sure, but there has been cases where the vatican has become involved with patients and they where cure from cancer.
http:///forum/post/3055737
i also found a cure for cancer but i am keeping it to myself.
i dont want to put the drug companies out of business.
jeez talk to one guy who i guess knows a little something and the world changes.
wonder if the 250,000 other scientists know about mutating ich?
why would there be mutating ich when the ocean isnt in hypo or copper for it to have to change?
if there is a new product for ich that is awesome but dont see ich mutating since most of us only treat ich maybe once or twice in a fishes lifetime.
Believe it or not but there is rumor that the Vatican has a cure for cancer. No one knows for sure, but there has been cases where the vatican has become involved with patients and they where cure from cancer.
locoyo386
Member
Hi there,
Why is it hard to believe that parasites can mutate (adapt). After all viruses, bacteria and all life forms adapt to almost everything. Why not Ich.? What do you all know about Ich (compsition, biological, genic makeup) that keeps it from adapting to new enviroments, and treatments. I agree in the comment about the ocean and home aquariums. There I see a faint comflict on mutating. I also know that there is cross cotamination, as I have done this unwillingly in some of my tanks.
The point to my comment is that we do not know either way, but if it is a mutating new strand of Ich, then can't we all try to figure out what can be done? After all the swine flue is the common flue, but with a slight mutation.
By the way here is a link that you all can check out;
http://saltaquarium.about.com/od/ich...s/a/newich.htm
Why is it hard to believe that parasites can mutate (adapt). After all viruses, bacteria and all life forms adapt to almost everything. Why not Ich.? What do you all know about Ich (compsition, biological, genic makeup) that keeps it from adapting to new enviroments, and treatments. I agree in the comment about the ocean and home aquariums. There I see a faint comflict on mutating. I also know that there is cross cotamination, as I have done this unwillingly in some of my tanks.
The point to my comment is that we do not know either way, but if it is a mutating new strand of Ich, then can't we all try to figure out what can be done? After all the swine flue is the common flue, but with a slight mutation.
By the way here is a link that you all can check out;
http://saltaquarium.about.com/od/ich...s/a/newich.htm
locoyo386
Member
Originally Posted by florida joe
http:///forum/post/3056323
Wait I just had an epiphany on the ick cure. Wash it off and kiss it up to god within 5 seconds
I hope we all are not as ignorant or as arrogant as our counter parts.
http:///forum/post/3056323
Wait I just had an epiphany on the ick cure. Wash it off and kiss it up to god within 5 seconds
I hope we all are not as ignorant or as arrogant as our counter parts.
meowzer
Moderator
Originally Posted by locoyo386
http:///forum/post/3057190
I hope we all are not as ignorant or as arrogant as our counter parts.
LOL...I didn't realize who you were w/o your grim reaper avatar
http:///forum/post/3057190
I hope we all are not as ignorant or as arrogant as our counter parts.
LOL...I didn't realize who you were w/o your grim reaper avatar
al mc
Active Member
Originally Posted by locoyo386
http:///forum/post/3057188
Hi there,
Why is it hard to believe that parasites can mutate (adapt). After all viruses, bacteria and all life forms adapt to almost everything. Why not Ich.? What do you all know about Ich (compsition, biological, genic makeup) that keeps it from adapting to new enviroments, and treatments. I agree in the comment about the ocean and home aquariums. There I see a faint comflict on mutating. I also know that there is cross cotamination, as I have done this unwillingly in some of my tanks.
The point to my comment is that we do not know either way, but if it is a mutating new strand of Ich, then can't we all try to figure out what can be done? After all the swine flue is the common flue, but with a slight mutation.
By the way here is a link that you all can check out;
http://saltaquarium.about.com/od/ich...s/a/newich.htm
Actually, I am quite confident that they can/will mutate/adapt. That is how organisms survive (or not). However, I think what many here are having issues with is the lack of specifics offered by the OP. Have studies been done that he/she can share and what is the name of this medication/chemical?
It is easy to become a bit jaded when one reads all the posts about bottled products that claim to eliminate Ich.
http:///forum/post/3057188
Hi there,
Why is it hard to believe that parasites can mutate (adapt). After all viruses, bacteria and all life forms adapt to almost everything. Why not Ich.? What do you all know about Ich (compsition, biological, genic makeup) that keeps it from adapting to new enviroments, and treatments. I agree in the comment about the ocean and home aquariums. There I see a faint comflict on mutating. I also know that there is cross cotamination, as I have done this unwillingly in some of my tanks.
The point to my comment is that we do not know either way, but if it is a mutating new strand of Ich, then can't we all try to figure out what can be done? After all the swine flue is the common flue, but with a slight mutation.
By the way here is a link that you all can check out;
http://saltaquarium.about.com/od/ich...s/a/newich.htm
Actually, I am quite confident that they can/will mutate/adapt. That is how organisms survive (or not). However, I think what many here are having issues with is the lack of specifics offered by the OP. Have studies been done that he/she can share and what is the name of this medication/chemical?
It is easy to become a bit jaded when one reads all the posts about bottled products that claim to eliminate Ich.
florida joe
Well-Known Member
Originally Posted by locoyo386
http:///forum/post/3057190
I hope we all are not as ignorant or as arrogant as our counter parts.
This from a real contributor to the site
Lets go one on one on YOUR ideas of the ick parasite mutating
http:///forum/post/3057190
I hope we all are not as ignorant or as arrogant as our counter parts.
This from a real contributor to the site
Lets go one on one on YOUR ideas of the ick parasite mutating
There is nothing new about resistant strains of ich (or any pathogen for that matter). Yes, inappropriate treatment does result in the parasite becoming resistant to the treatment. Its this reason that doctors will insist that you take a full course of antibiotics, even if you "feel better" to ensure the elimination of the bacteria. Otherwise, the bacteria infecting you will become resistant to the antibiotic when it was not fully killed off by correct treatment.
While I may sound like a broken record, I have always been very decisive in giving people instructions about what they need to do about treating ich, partly for this "mutation" reason.
Fish that are breed and sold in the hobby are more susceptible to resistant strains because they are more likely to experience ich time and time again, get half-baked treatments that only partially work thereby creating the big monster strain of this parasite.
I think I am safe in saying that most people who do hypo correctly will have very positive results.
And coming into the forum with a "secret" cure is ridiculous. You're willing to tell privately, but want to protect your "secret". Well, what's to say that whoever you tell to won't turn around and post a topic here about it?
Give me a break.
While I may sound like a broken record, I have always been very decisive in giving people instructions about what they need to do about treating ich, partly for this "mutation" reason.
Fish that are breed and sold in the hobby are more susceptible to resistant strains because they are more likely to experience ich time and time again, get half-baked treatments that only partially work thereby creating the big monster strain of this parasite.
I think I am safe in saying that most people who do hypo correctly will have very positive results.
And coming into the forum with a "secret" cure is ridiculous. You're willing to tell privately, but want to protect your "secret". Well, what's to say that whoever you tell to won't turn around and post a topic here about it?
Give me a break.
deejeff442
Active Member
well said
meowzer
Moderator
And coming into the forum with a "secret" cure is ridiculous. You're willing to tell privately, but want to protect your "secret". Well, what's to say that whoever you tell to won't turn around and post a topic here about it?
Hey why doesn't someone "secretly" ask...and then tell us all
Hey why doesn't someone "secretly" ask...and then tell us all
locoyo386
Member
Hi there,
It sounded to me that some comments made fun at the idea that Cryptocaryon Irritant can mutate.
As to the comments that it sounded like a commercial, well where is the product. If I ever see a commercial that it does not show or name, either directly or indirectly, the product I think I would be dead.
I agree in that if there is a new strand of Cryptocaryon Irritant (Ich), the more information out there the better (for the life of the home aquarium fish anyways). I do not have any experience with hyposalinity, till recently. I decided to take on some fish that had Ich on the notion that there had been recent claims that it does not work. Well if done correctly, according a standard (meaning that if there is a difference in keeping the specific gravity of 1.009 vs. 1.010, I do not account for these type of dicrepancies), it should work. The conclusion can be drawn than, that if done "correctly" and it does not work, something was different. Either the proccess was not the correct one, some sort of error or different parasite. No comments on copper as I refuse to use it, thus I QT all fish.
It sounded to me that some comments made fun at the idea that Cryptocaryon Irritant can mutate.
As to the comments that it sounded like a commercial, well where is the product. If I ever see a commercial that it does not show or name, either directly or indirectly, the product I think I would be dead.
I agree in that if there is a new strand of Cryptocaryon Irritant (Ich), the more information out there the better (for the life of the home aquarium fish anyways). I do not have any experience with hyposalinity, till recently. I decided to take on some fish that had Ich on the notion that there had been recent claims that it does not work. Well if done correctly, according a standard (meaning that if there is a difference in keeping the specific gravity of 1.009 vs. 1.010, I do not account for these type of dicrepancies), it should work. The conclusion can be drawn than, that if done "correctly" and it does not work, something was different. Either the proccess was not the correct one, some sort of error or different parasite. No comments on copper as I refuse to use it, thus I QT all fish.
locoyo386
Member
Originally Posted by florida joe
http:///forum/post/3057264
This from a real contributor to the site
Lets go one on one on YOUR ideas of the ick parasite mutating
Well the real contributers to this site or anyother site for that matter, are the ones you see here on a day by day. The question is, are they contributing relevant information?
http:///forum/post/3057264
This from a real contributor to the site
Lets go one on one on YOUR ideas of the ick parasite mutating
Well the real contributers to this site or anyother site for that matter, are the ones you see here on a day by day. The question is, are they contributing relevant information?
deejeff442
Active Member
just curious ,if you qt all fish which should be done for the safety of the dt fish.
you just recently used hypo and wont use copper.
unless you have had a run of great luck what do you do when a new fish in qt comes down with something?
you just recently used hypo and wont use copper.
unless you have had a run of great luck what do you do when a new fish in qt comes down with something?