New Strains of Ich - Beware

[beth]

Originally Posted by mantisman51
http:///forum/post/3058046
... treated with copper for 5 days now and the ****** is just now starting to disappear off the BHT. This ****** is vicious and doesn't die easily.
Ich disappearing off the fish has nothing to do with the copper, as copper is not effective in the tomont stage of the parasite (and neither is hypo).

 

[mantisman51]

From the description of the excessive slime that seems to suffocate them, it seems to me they are more irritating to the fish and it is the reaction of the fish to the irritan that is causing the quicker death.

 

[pezenfuego]

Oh almost forgot one other question.
Is this strain so powerful that it can actually thrive in both salt and fresh environments? This treatment claims to work on this strain for both freshwater and saltwater aquariums. So were we incredibly unlucky to have two separate strains of ich come up at the exact same time or is this a disease that only thrives in saltwater, or is this pure BS.
I mean, the fact that it is adapted to live in both environmental conditions could explain why it isn't affected by hypo. Would hyper be effective?
Something just doesn't seem right about all this

 

[florida joe]

I currently bought some that I knew had it
You are assuming it is Ick.
I was thinking about your previous comment about what is contributed. If I ever had something that I contribute is that (I hope anyways) people should think before reacting. Be curious and bash people for their opinions.
I think you mean NOT to bash people. This is your quote
I was thinking about your previous comment about what is contributed. If I ever had something that I contribute is that (I hope anyways) people should think before reacting. Be curious and bash people for their opinions. yet you said this
I hope we all are not as ignorant or as arrogant as our counter parts.
Yet this is your quote"I hope we all are not as ignorant or as arrogant as our counter parts."
I can tell you Florida Joe, I kept the sg at 1.008 and tested in the morning and evening. I use a scientific grade refractometer that I calibrated before starting hypo and in the middle of the four weeks of hypo with distilled water. I took 48 hours to take the sg down and left it there for four weeks and then the very first day after raising the sg, the ****** was back. The blue hoppo was the only fish with it, but it was back and I gave 100% attention and diligence to maintaining the hypo state of the water. I have spoken with the members of the Tucson reef club and many of them are experiencing a more difficult ****** in the last 6 months. These are folks who have been keeping reefs for 10-20 years. I think the OP is embelishing the story for dramatic effect and take this thread with a grain of salt and skepticism, but I followed hypo to the T and the ****** came back.I have had the fish in 1.023 sg water, treated with copper for 5 days now and the ****** is just now starting to disappear off the BHT. This ****** is vicious and doesn't die easily.
I have said this many many times you need to keep your fish in a hypo environment for SIX weeks
I actually thanks the OP for posting this thread. He did answear my PM, and I did get the information I asked for. All I can say is that I am currently researching this information. Once I gather all I can I will make my conclusion as the product his is talking about
As mentioned above what is the big secret? For the good of the hobby should not this new treatment be shouted from the rooftops? I have read the links you have posted. It seems that the same people that have discovered this new ICK are the very ones who have a cure. They make the statement “ WE” know about this new mutated ick, my question to the company is just who is this “WE” I have asked for that info in an e-mail to them. I eagerly await their reply

 

[beth]

That is amazing that Dr. Brian could tell so much about the "menacing organisms" just by looking at them under a microscope! WOW
He was able to determine:
That there was a new (and menacing) strain of ich.
That the new ich was one of the most viral and rapid developing. (viral? ich is a parasite, right? Maybe Dr. Brain meant virile?)
The "new" ich can and does wipe fish out in as little as 24 - 48 hours.
Quinine sulfate worked! And so, ******-Pro was developed! Linked to a place to buy it....
Quinine sulfate has been experimented with for treating fish diseases, including marine oodinium.
Nothing new there.
Take what your read at About.com with a grain of salt.

 

[spiderwoman]

Beth

 

[florida joe]

Originally Posted by florida joe
http:///forum/post/3058078
You are assuming it is Ick.
I think you mean NOT to bash people. This is your quote I have said this many many times you need to keep your fish in a hypo environment for SIX weeksAs mentioned above what is the big secret? For the good of the hobby should not this new treatment be shouted from the rooftops? I have read the links you have posted. It seems that the same people that have discovered this new ICK are the very ones who have a cure. They make the statement “ WE” know about this new mutated ick, my question to the company is just who is this “WE” I have asked for that info in an e-mail to them. I eagerly await their reply
I completely missed something here. If this new mutated ick parasite is resistant to hypo it has to reproduce in a way other then fluid transfer via osmotic pressure. Now I am sure by telling us how the new parasite multiples the company is not giving about its secret cure they are just giving us the mechanics involved.

 

[spiderwoman]

I received a response on PM... very lame
Frankly, I don't trust you. I would encourage you to figure things out yourself.

Hehe I wouldn't trust me either, but at least I'm not spreading info that doesn't have any backing.

 

[florida joe]

Originally Posted by SpiderWoman
http:///forum/post/3058144
I received a response on PM... very lame

Hehe I wouldn't trust me either, but at least I'm not spreading info that doesn't have any backing.
Well I would not trust a spider woman either you know what some do after they mate. That being said what does the OP not trust you about

 

[spiderwoman]

Originally Posted by florida joe
http:///forum/post/3058147
Well I would not trust a spider woman either you know what some do after they mate. That being said what does the OP not trust you about

You said it... I guess he/she is afraid that I'm going to reveal the secret to the world and make millions

 

[salt life]

Originally Posted by SpiderWoman
http:///forum/post/3058149

You said it... I guess he/she is afraid that I'm going to reveal the secret to the world and make millions %h

if he told me I would tell all of you and he will find a way to get over it. Why does he trust the locoya guy but not anyone else? honestly I think this is one of the stupidest threads because you don't tell someone you know something then not share it, way to be mature dude.
Joe- I answered your questions in my refugium light thread, if you have a chance would you mind discussing it with me in the thread? thank you sir

 

[spiderwoman]

The big secret is: he doesn't have anything to share. Simple as that.

 

[salt life]

Originally Posted by SpiderWoman
http:///forum/post/3058159
The big secret is: he doesn't have anything to share. Simple as that.
well I agree with you on that so I hope the OP feels special.

 

[locoyo386]

Originally Posted by Cranberry
http:///forum/post/3057970
Albeit, this conversation has gotten away from the original post. But I feel this has turned into a worthwhile discussion.
Does anyone have access to online journal searches? I hate it when all I can get are abstracts and the subscriptions are just to pricey for the average Joe.
I think that the thread is still on topic. The points to this threas are two;
"There are several newer mutated strains of cryptocaryon that are resistant to hyposalinity and even copper. In his opinion, hyposalinity has began loosing effectiveness over the last 10 years because of mutation, and is useless against many strains of cryptocaryon."
"The most recent development is a strain of cryptocaryon that will resist copper treatment. Yes, you heard this correctly. Ich that will completely give copper treatment the finger!"
"There is 1 known drug that will work on this resistant strain."
Point 1) There is new mutated strains of crytocaryon irritant that are resistant to hyposalinity and even copprer.
Point 2) There is a known drug that will kill the new strains.
I was debating the first poiunt and only with regards to hyposalinity. Being that there are people that claim it does not work. If it is indeed Ich they are treating and theya re asministering the treatment correctly and the parasite does not die, than I can conclude that it is a new strain of Ich that is resitant to low levels of salt (osmotic shock)?

 

[locoyo386]

Originally Posted by Cranberry
http:///forum/post/3057989
How? Or maybe I should ask what part you are referring to? This discussion or the difficulty in landing articles.
Who is bashing? Questioning is not bashing. Making the claims he did naturally lead to questions. The problem is he never came back to participate in this thread. And if he understood ich so well, why did he just tell someone in another thread they can have an ich-free tank if they hypo'd or coppered for 2 weeks?
I meant the articles, they are hard to get to, unless you pay.

 

[salt life]

Originally Posted by locoyo386
http:///forum/post/3058215
I meant the articles, they are hard to get to, unless you pay.
ok so the OP told you the only known drug to kill the new mutant stuff or whatever ya'll are calling it and he won't tell anyone else, if it is so hard to get to why did he tell you? alot of you new people seem to be the same person with 20 accounts or something. he doesn't respond now and you are the only one he told? I am calling BS cause this is dumb, either share the info so we can learn about it or stop wasting time.

 

[florida joe]

What I don’t understand is this new resistant strain of ick mutated from the over use of hypo. So that means this new strain would have to be introduced back into the ocean and effect fish and those fish would have to be captured and sold to the hobbyist. I don’t believe that you’re LFS as I have said treats with hypo. Copper yes but not for the time frame I would think to cause a mutant strain to develop in their store and sell you that infected fish
BUT if this is true would not the only company with a cure paten this cure and tell the would about this new strain and cure while laughing all the way to the bank

 

[deejeff442]

maybe he is waiting for a patent or approval from the fda

seems to me this is the same guy as the op
almost 100 posts and havnt gotten absolutly nothing substantial.
the only thing accomplished was to get everyone pissed.

 

[windlasher]

Originally Posted by Salt Life
http:///forum/post/3058217
ok so the OP told you the only known drug to kill the new mutant stuff or whatever ya'll are calling it and he won't tell anyone else, if it is so hard to get to why did he tell you? alot of you new people seem to be the same person with 20 accounts or something. he doesn't respond now and you are the only one he told? I am calling BS cause this is dumb, either share the info so we can learn about it or stop wasting time.
BRAV "Frikkin" O

 

[windlasher]

And Just so the OP Knows...
I found a place online that will send me all the fish and corals I want for free. They pay the shipping, and guarantee them for 22 years. And.... With ever order, I get to pick all the food, salt mixes and equipment I want as a bonus.
And I'm not going to tell him...

The rest of you can PM me for the info.