Obama supporters. I have one question

1journeyman

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Originally Posted by Rylan1
http:///forum/post/2557470
I never said we withdrew... some of you suggested Obama wants to pull out of both Iraq and Afganistan..
What post said that? Please give post #.
Originally Posted by Rylan

which is not true. We are not safer.. Keep in mind we've only been attack once... its hard to measure if we are safer or not based on one successful attack... There have other incidents after 911... with more to come according to Al Qaeda. We also fuel anti-american sentiments and recruitment by our very presence in that region. Believe it or not ... we are not safer.
Based on what Rylan?
I've posted repeatedly Al Qaeda's own words pointing out their difficulty in recruiting new members.
How many times were we attacked before 9-11? How many times have we been attacked post 9-11?
Keep saying it; It will never be true.
 

1journeyman

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Originally Posted by Rylan1
http:///forum/post/2557472
Don't apologize to me... but he is a christian minister... Don't claim that you have a lock on God because you disagree with his message... As I remember his sermons are all bibically based. He believes in the Trinity, Death and Resurection of Jesus Christ, and that the path to God is through Jesus Christ.
Yet he gives a lifetime achievement award to Farrakhan....
Could you see Jesus doing that Rylan?
 

stdreb27

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Originally Posted by Rylan1
http:///forum/post/2557472
Don't apologize to me... but he is a christian minister... Don't claim that you have a lock on God because you disagree with his message... As I remember his sermons are all bibically based. He believes in the Trinity, Death and Resurection of Jesus Christ, and that the path to God is through Jesus Christ.
You could make that same argument, about those poligamists near san angelo.
 

oscardeuce

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Originally Posted by Rylan1
http:///forum/post/2557472
Don't apologize to me... but he is a christian minister... Don't claim that you have a lock on God because you disagree with his message... As I remember his sermons are all bibically based. He believes in the Trinity, Death and Resurection of Jesus Christ, and that the path to God is through Jesus Christ.
There are reports out of the New Republic that Wright is a former Muslim. Written Ryan Lizza, Senior editor at The New Republic.
BTW Rylan,
Have you ANY idea what it means to earn the MOH? Should the MOH award ceremony not be public? Should it not be broadcast across the country? What better time to award our country's hight medal than in front of the whole world?
I've met 2 MOH holders. They were true leaders and heroes. I grew up with Pappy Boyington, MOH as one of my heroes. He had to come back from the dead ( Jap POW camp) to receive his award.
 

1journeyman

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Originally Posted by oscardeuce
http:///forum/post/2557622
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I've met 2 MOH holders. They were true leaders and heroes. I grew up with Pappy Boyington, MOH as one of my heroes. He had to come back from the dead ( Jap POW camp) to receive his award.
Off topic;
Why don't they show "The Black Sheep Squadron" on any of the satelite channels? I grew up watching and reading about Boyington and the "Black Sheep".
 

crashbandicoot

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Originally Posted by 1journeyman
http:///forum/post/2557668
Off topic;
Why don't they show "The Black Sheep Squadron" on any of the satelite channels? I grew up watching and reading about Boyington and the "Black Sheep".
I loved that show . It's not on the military channel ? It should be !
 

reefraff

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Originally Posted by Rylan1
http:///forum/post/2557187
I work for AT&T, I believe they can pay more tax... the CEO took home 10's of millions when the latest one steped down about a year ago. I could care less... Raises are based on tener.. not service
Gas prices have already jumped by more than 20% in the last year alone... When we are paying less taxes... So thank the Bush Admin for that... I don't want to hear about gas prices and the possibility they will go up... this summer they will be at $4.
- I'll leave this post at that and start a new one
And the Democrap and OBS plan for dealing with oil prices is to
A) Increase taxes on domestic oil production
B) Increase the gas tax 50 cents a gallon as a method of decreasing consumption to reduce the CO2 emissions that are supposedly heating the planets.
Great plan of attack there. Here's how the typicall liberal thinks on gas prices.
$4.00 a gallon gas because the evil CEO makes (and pays taxes on) millions of dollars is bad because it hurts the poor and working class Americans because they can't afford to buy gasoline (thus decreasing usage)
But $4.00 a gallon gasoline because the government raises the taxes placed on the oil companies and the end product is good because poor and working class Americans can't afford to buy gasoline so it decreases usage .
So you really think it AT&T gets hit with a tax increase it wont affect the benefits they provide to it's employees? That train of thought explains your support of OBS.
 

reefraff

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Originally Posted by Rylan1
http:///forum/post/2557208
What promises to special interest groups... I believe Obama's core message is to give the gov't back to the people...and to not run a campaign based on special interest... As far as business's go.. hasn't this been the trend... big business, even Haliburton is going oversees. Who can we thank for that? Obama has said he will give greater incentive to those that stay and come back in tax breaks.. and not give tax breaks to those that leave...which I believe the Bush Admin has done.
What special interest groups? The Democrat Party is made up of special interest groups.
Increasing taxes will do nothing to bring businesses back. Neither will increasing the red tape and enviromental restrictions pushed by extremist groups. We're all for clean air and water but many of the environmental laws and regulations are a joke that adds sensless billions to the cost of doing business evey year. OBS has also promised to eliminate the secret ballot for union votes. Thats right, lets increase the size of the unions. Look what they've done for our education system and the US auto manufacturers.
Reinstate the draft?
Do you honestly think Obama would do this... I think many of you GOP'ers have said it should be mandatory for all of us to spend 2 years in the military.. so this is a complete contradiction to what some have posted in just a few posts up. Obama has said he intends on strenghting our military. No one has said we are going into Darfur with our military.. though something needs to be done..(our hypocritical foreign policy currently won't allow us) If we continue to stretch our military thin as we have... we won't see our military increasing in #'s... Look at what has been done to get troops to enlist recently... We are giving them $40,000 to enlist .. they get this when they get out... 2/3 of Americans are against this war... when a reporter brought that up, Cheney laughed
and said SO. and smercked.
You are completely talking out of the side of your mouth...
You say your boy OBS wont reinstitute the draft? Where's he going to get the people to drop into Darfur which he has been proposing since 06? Maybe he was just lying about wanting to do something about that. OBS plan for a "pullout" of Iraq is to leave a small force there that wont be large enough to control anything but will make a nice target ala Beirut 1983. If Obama understood foreign policy he would understand the folly of his foolish idea. So where are all these people going to come from? I agree with Rumsfeld when he said a draft adds nothing to the military. The guys who got drafted mostly all went and did their duty and then get out ASAP. For that reason I am against a draft. As a conservative (not a GOPer) I don't like wasteful spending and utalizing funds to train temporary workers is never effective.
I would love to see every 18 year old in the country put through basic training after graduation. Those who wish to stay stay, those who don't leave but they will leave with a slight understanding of what those who serve endure. Not sure if it would be worth the costs.
 

reefraff

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Originally Posted by Rylan1
http:///forum/post/2557390
So how does the posting of an article suggest the two are tied together? What did the article say, and what was Wright's reponse? The way you guys are putting this info out... you make it sound as is Wright is sending donations to Hamas.
As far as Bill Ayers..quote the whole thing... " I feel we didn't do enough to stop the Vietnam war." - These were very hectic times in America, and many people involved in anti- war protests are patriotic americans who have prominent roles in today's society.... You can't suggest that Obama should be accused of having ties to events that happened 40 years ago.

Are you really that blind or think other here are dumb?
Full quote from Ayers ''I don't regret setting bombs,'' Bill Ayers said. ''I feel we didn't do enough.'' They guy was talking about their bombing activities. If I don't agree with the government funding the United Nations is it cool if I go start blowing stuff up to get them to stop? Yeah, really good guy to be associated with there.
So you think it's proper to print a terrorist group's propaganda in a church bullitin? Admittedly it does seem to fit into the overall agenda the church pushes. America bad, terrorists good.
 

reefraff

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Originally Posted by Rylan1
http:///forum/post/2557397
The reason why oil is up is because I believe a similar thing is happening that happened in the 70's ... These oil producing countries are limiting the supply of oil and jacking up the prices to hurt our economy. Its genius because we can do nothing about it. We continue to export our oil, which is why our oil companies are seeing record profits.. they make more to export it... we have enough to meet our needs... This whole war is all to do about oil, and we are seeing the reprecutions. Want to punish the U.S... cut the oil.
Don't believe everything you read... If you take a minute to think about it.. you'll see what is going on.. This Middle Eastern war has been in the works since the 1940's.

I'm just guessing he but you aren't old enough to remember the real oil shortages in the 70's are you? There are no oil shortages right now. What there are is international speculators bidding up the prices based on growing demands, not shortages. When you have to spend 3 hours in line to buy your alloted 10 gallons of gas you will know what its like to be in a oil shortage.
 

1journeyman

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More evidence of the Socialist leanings of the Obamas:
Michelle Obama:
"If we don't wake up as a nation with a new kind of leadership...for how we want this country to work, then we won't get universal health care," she said. "The truth is, in order to get things like universal health care and a revamped education system, then someone is going to have to give up a piece of their pie so that someone else can have more
." " http://www.charlotte.com/112/story/572303.html
 

oscardeuce

Active Member
Originally Posted by Rylan1
http:///forum/post/2557240
Any of you Pro-War people want to comment on this?
Rylan
No one here is "pro war".
Apparently you hold the terroist Bill Ayers in high esteem. Remember he tried to kill American Soldiers and civilians while "protesting" the war in Viet Nam. Now, I heard he is a professor at a university in Illinois.You probably also think of Jane "AAA" Fonda, who gave aid an comfort to the enemy as one of your heroes too.
Here is my "anti war" hero:
Cpl Thomas Bennett
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_...tious_objector)
Cpl Bennett was religiously opposed to killing, yet served his country as a Army medic. He was killed giving aid and comfort to his fellow soldiers. He is head and shoulders above Ayers and Fonda. He was "against the war" yet he found a way to serve his country. He earned the Medal of Honor serving his fellow soldiers.
 

stdreb27

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Originally Posted by 1journeyman
http:///forum/post/2557967
More evidence of the Socialist leanings of the Obamas:
Michelle Obama:
"If we don't wake up as a nation with a new kind of leadership...for how we want this country to work, then we won't get universal health care," she said. "The truth is, in order to get things like universal health care and a revamped education system, then someone is going to have to give up a piece of their pie so that someone else can have more
." " http://www.charlotte.com/112/story/572303.html
What I really don't understand is why these people think that the economy is a zero sum game? From the anti-immigration and isolationist morons who say oh the immigrant or outsourcing is taking our jobs, while ignoring that until January we hadn't had a contraction in the job market in over 4 years. And really have had very low unemployment since the mid 90's. To this joker saying that we have to steal from the rich and squander it on the poor. I propose a new ideal (actually it is a quite old one) why don't the poor get rich? There is no law, no caste system stopping them. There is an abundance of wealth, heck the whole system is a fiat system. Their is no gold standard limiting the value of fiat value of anything.
 

oscardeuce

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Originally Posted by 1journeyman
http:///forum/post/2557967
More evidence of the Socialist leanings of the Obamas:
Michelle Obama:
"If we don't wake up as a nation with a new kind of leadership...for how we want this country to work, then we won't get universal health care," she said. "The truth is, in order to get things like universal health care and a revamped education system, then someone is going to have to give up a piece of their pie so that someone else can have more
." " http://www.charlotte.com/112/story/572303.html
Wow, just change a few words, and you have Karl Marx:
From each according to his ability to each according to his needs.
Is it just me or does Obama sound alot like Chamberlain taking about Hitler when he talks about how to handle Iran.
 

scubadoo

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TALK SHOW HOST REVEALS OBAMA CONNECTION TO TERRORISTS
Posted 1:00 AM Eastern
by Jim Kouri
March 22, 2008
© 2008 NewsWithViews.com
There is a far-reaching scandal brewing for presidential hopeful Sen. Barack Obama, thanks to a radio talk show host based in Oregon. Syndicated talk show host Laurie Roth's revelations make the news story about Obama's relationship with a racist, anti-American pastor look like child's play.
A top official at the Pentagon during former-President George H. W. Bush's Administration and a former CIA intelligence officer maintain that Barack Obama and former Weather Underground honcho William Ayers funneled money to Professor Rashid Khalidi, a known terrorist sympathizer.
Khalidi serves on the faculty of Columbia University in New York and is best known as the professor who invited Iranian President Ahmedinejad to visit Columbia University after he finished his speech at the United Nations. According to confidential sources, Khalidi has direct ties to the Palestinian Liberation Organization (PLO), a group on the US State Department's list of known terrorist groups.
"One source for this information was once a top military figure in the 1990s. He doesn't take making allegations lightly. If he says something happened, believe me, it happened," said syndicated radio talk show host Laurie Roth.
"Another source is a former agent for the Central Intelligence Agency, who is an expert in counterterrorism," said Roth, who broke the story on her show Friday
During Obama's last year on the board of The Woods Fund (2002), he participated in awarding grants, including a $70,000 grant to the Arab American Action Network, a Chicago-based group founded by Rashid and Mona Khalidi.
In another suspected quid pro quo arrangement similar to those with Ayers and Rezko, Rashid Khalidi also held a fundraising event in his home for Barack Obama.
In the Middle East, Rashid Khalidi was known as a man to be reckoned with. From 1972 through 1983, Khalidi was the director in Beirut of the official Palestinian press agency, FAFA. His wife worked there as well.
According to sources, when the Khalidi's left Chicago for Columbia University in New York, Rashid was honored with the Edward Said Chair in Arab Studies at that Ivy League university. Their goodbye party in Chicago included testimonials from Bill Ayers and Barack Obama.
 

scubadoo

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By Aaron Klein
© 2008 WorldNetDaily
JERUSALEM – "We cannot move forward until there is some confidence that the Palestinians are able to provide the security apparatus that would prevent constant attacks against Israel from taking place," continued Obama during the conference with Jewish journalists.
But in the 1990s Obama was a speaker at events in Chicago's large Palestinian immigrant community to raise funds for U.N. camps for the so-called Palestinian refugees.
Ali Abunimah, a Chicago-based Palestinian-American activist and co-founder of Electronic Intifada, a pro-Palestinian online publication, recalls introducing Obama at one such event, a 1999 fundraiser for the Deheisha Palestinian camp in the West Bank.
Abunimah is also a harsh critic of Israel and has protested outside pro-Israel events in the Chicago area.
"I knew Barack Obama for many years as my state senator – when he used to attend events in the Palestinian community in Chicago all the time," stated Abuminah during an interview last month with Democracy Now!, a nationally syndicated radio and television political program.
"I remember personally introducing [Obama] onstage in 1999, when we had a major community fundraiser for the community center in Deheisha refugee camp in the occupied West Bank. And that's just one example of how Barack Obama used to be very comfortable speaking up for and being associated with Palestinian rights and opposing the Israeli occupation," Abunimah said.
Abunimah also was recently quoted saying that until a few years ago, Obama was "quite frank that the U.S. needed to be more evenhanded, that it leaned too much toward Israel."
Abunimah noted Obama's unusual stance toward Israel, commenting "these were the kind of statements I'd never heard from a U.S. politician who seemed like he was going somewhere, rather than at the end of his career."
'Critical of U.S. bias toward Israel'
Abunimah previously described meeting with Obama at a fundraiser at the home of Columbia University professor Rashid Khalidi, reportedly a former PLO activist.
"[Obama]came with his wife. That's where I had a chance to really talk to him," Abunimah recalled. "It was an intimate setting. He convinced me he was very aware of the issues [and] critical of U.S. bias toward Israel and lack of sensitivity to Arabs. ... He was very supportive of U.S. pressure on Israel.
According to quotes obtained by Gulf News, Abunimah recalled a 2004 meeting in a Chicago neighborhood while Obama was running for his Senate seat. Abunimah quoted Obama telling him "warmly" he was sorry that "I haven't said more about Palestine right now, but we are in a tough primary race."
"I'm hoping when things calm down, I can be more up front," Abunimah reportedly quoted the senator as saying.
Abunimah said Obama urged him to "keep up the good work" at the Chicago Tribune, where Abunimah contributed guest columns that were highly critical of Israel.
Obama's campaign headquarters did not reply to an e-mail request seeking comment on his fundraising activities for Palestinians.
Abunimah serves on the board of the Arab American Action Network, or AAAN, a controversial Arab group that mourns the establishment of Israel as a "catastrophe" and supports intense immigration reform, including providing driver's licenses and education to illegal aliens.
WND reported yesterday the Woods Fund, a Chicago-based nonprofit on which Obama served as a paid director alongside a confessed domestic terrorist, provided $75,000 in grants to the AAAN.
'Very active' terror apparatus
Obama's 1999 fundraising for the Palestinian Deheisha camp raised the eyebrows of one senior Israeli security official who was contacted yesterday for comment on the issue. The official, who was not aware of Obama's fundraising, noted Deheisha, which is located near the city of Bethlehem, had a "very active" Palestinian terror apparatus in 1999, carrying out scores of deadly shootings against Israeli civilians that year.
Two of the most deadly suicide bombings in 2002 also were planned from Deheisha, where the suicide bombers originated, said the security official. On one such bombing, in March of that year, 11 people were killed and over 50 injured, four critically when a Deheisha bomber detonated his explosives next to a group of Jewish women waiting with their baby carriages for their husbands to leave a nearby synagogue.
 

scubadoo

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Originally Posted by Rylan1
http:///forum/post/2557472
Don't apologize to me... but he is a christian minister... Don't claim that you have a lock on God because you disagree with his message... As I remember his sermons are all bibically based. He believes in the Trinity, Death and Resurection of Jesus Christ, and that the path to God is through Jesus Christ.
There are many individuals claiming to be men of God in recent history that have caused great harm with their message and actions. Just because one is called a Reverned, pastor, minister, fatther, etc does not mean their message is filled with the spirit of God.
IMO...those that preach such hate speech such as Wright are cowards...hiding behind their title as a "man of God" or "reverend" while delivering hatred.
I recall earlier in this thread you claimed to know little about the church..now you claim to know more and everything that Wright stands for?
 

scubadoo

Active Member
Originally Posted by Rylan1
http:///forum/post/2557027
Obama has also said he is looking to build and improve the military... It states this as part of his Issues on his campaign site.
And once agin proof a Nobama supporter can only point you to the 'Gospel accrding to Nobama". His far left voting record is quite contrary to ANY "build and improve" mantra for the military.
 

scubadoo

Active Member
Originally Posted by reefraff
http:///forum/post/2557856
Are you really that blind or think other here are dumb?
Full quote from Ayers ''I don't regret setting bombs,'' Bill Ayers said. ''I feel we didn't do enough.'' They guy was talking about their bombing activities. If I don't agree with the government funding the United Nations is it cool if I go start blowing stuff up to get them to stop? Yeah, really good guy to be associated with there.
So you think it's proper to print a terrorist group's propaganda in a church bullitin? Admittedly it does seem to fit into the overall agenda the church pushes. America bad, terrorists good.
The attitude of Ayers the Weatherbomber and the terrorist we fight today are no different. They seek to harm innocent folks with terror and a body count in order to further a cause.
Many americans protested the war without the use of bombs or plotting to use bombs. ONly those that really hate America would do this...just like the terrorists we are fighting today...thay hate America too.
Once again you now see the Nobama suppoters excusing away yet another hater tied to Nobama.
 

1journeyman

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Originally Posted by ScubaDoo
http:///forum/post/2558369
And once agin proof a Nobama supporter can only point you to the 'Gospel accrding to Nobama". His far left voting record is quite contrary to ANY "build and improve" mantra for the military.
I posted his stinking quote where he says he will cut the military's budget, but because that might be a bad thing Obama's supporters simply ignore it.
"I will cut investments in unproven missile defense systems. I will not weaponize space. I will slow our development of future combat systems..."
Iran is working on nuclear missiles and the Soviets are rebuilding, not to mention China. Sure, don't work on a missile defense system.
China is weaponizing space, so I'm sure we shouldn't...
The strong point of our military has always been our technology. So sure, let's slow down our R&D and let our opponents catch up. Brilliant.
 
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