Obama supporters. I have one question

1journeyman

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Originally Posted by Rylan1
http:///forum/post/2560735
I'm trying to understand this...
Is this liberal vote scores for all 3 candidates?
Yes. That's the info from the link we've been showing you when you ask about obama having the most liberal record in 2007...
 

stdreb27

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Originally Posted by Rylan1
http:///forum/post/2560735
I'm trying to understand this...
Is this liberal vote scores for all 3 candidates?
These numbers don't make much sense, are they saying that McCain during the Reagan years voted 80 liberal. Like they vote now. As Journey seems to be interpreting it. Or are they for their respective parties.
 

1journeyman

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Originally Posted by stdreb27
http:///forum/post/2560811
These numbers don't make much sense, are they saying that McCain during the Reagan years voted 80 liberal. ....
Exactly.
What strikes me is how McCain has a voting record showing he is becoming more Conservative, while Obama has rocketed to the Left in 3 years.
 

rylan1

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Originally Posted by 1journeyman
http:///forum/post/2560781
Yes. That's the info from the link we've been showing you when you ask about obama having the most liberal record in 2007...
Thats fine... not really suprised... but what is going on with McCain?
What's also interesting.. is it would seem he voted more against many of the things that came about during Reagan and Bush. Voted largely towards Clinton issues... and also vote for most of Bush policy or issues during that time period.
 

stdreb27

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Originally Posted by Rylan1
http:///forum/post/2560871
Thats fine... not really suprised... but what is going on with McCain?
What's also interesting.. is it would seem he voted more against many of the things that came about during Reagan and Bush. Voted largely towards Clinton issues... and also vote for most of Bush policy or issues during that time period.
The only way these would make sense although I'd have no way know if it is accurate, since Zman likes to leave out labels
When posting data. Would be if they were for their perspective parties. IE McCain was 56% voting for "republican" issues. While Obama, and Clinton where 86% and 70% voting for "democrat" issues. So they wouldn't be referencing the same numbers.
 

1journeyman

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Originally Posted by Rylan1
http:///forum/post/2560871
Thats fine... not really suprised... but what is going on with McCain?
What's also interesting.. is it would seem he voted more against many of the things that came about during Reagan and Bush. Voted largely towards Clinton issues... and also vote for most of Bush policy or issues during that time period.
He was a liberal... We've all been saying that on this thread.
The data shows he is growing more Conservative. Not as fast as we would like, but he's coming around as he gets wiser.
 

1journeyman

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Originally Posted by stdreb27
http:///forum/post/2561032
The only way these would make sense although I'd have no way know if it is accurate, since Zman likes to leave out labels
When posting data. Would be if they were for their perspective parties. IE McCain was 56% voting for "republican" issues. While Obama, and Clinton where 86% and 70% voting for "democrat" issues. So they wouldn't be referencing the same numbers.
http://nj.nationaljournal.com/voteratings/
 

zman1

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Originally Posted by stdreb27
http:///forum/post/2561032
The only way these would make sense although I'd have no way know if it is accurate, since Zman likes to leave out labels
When posting data. Would be if they were for their perspective parties. IE McCain was 56% voting for "republican" issues. While Obama, and Clinton where 86% and 70% voting for "democrat" issues. So they wouldn't be referencing the same numbers.

Always thinking there is a conspiracy.. This is information from the right wing website that Scooby and journey posted - http://nj.nationaljournal.com/voteratings/
This is where I got the numbers from - Stay with us
McCain is no conservative
http://nationaljournal.com/voteratin...6democrats.pdf composite liberal scores
http://nationaljournal.com/voteratin...epublicans.pdf composite conservative scores
 

stdreb27

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Originally Posted by zman1
http:///forum/post/2561043
Always thinking there is a conspiracy.. This is information from the right wing website that Scooby and journey posted - http://nj.nationaljournal.com/voteratings/
This is where I got the numbers from - Stay with us
McCain is no conservative
http://nationaljournal.com/voteratin...6democrats.pdf composite liberal scores
http://nationaljournal.com/voteratin...epublicans.pdf composite conservative scores
So I was right, they are based of the party of the candidate not an individual party.
 

1journeyman

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Originally Posted by zman1
http:///forum/post/2561043
...
This is where I got the numbers from - Stay with us
McCain is no conservative
...
Stay with us? I'm pretty sure we've all been saying that for a long time.
He is, however, far more Conservative than either of the Socialists from the Democratic side.
 

zman1

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Originally Posted by stdreb27
http:///forum/post/2561060
So I was right, they are based of the party of the candidate not an individual party.
Yes, you were correct. I mean your were, right

Those PDFs wasn't easy for me to find initially... I do frequent both right and left wing web sites, too bad I can't find a good middle wing webs site -LOL
 

zman1

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Originally Posted by 1journeyman
http:///forum/post/2560822
What strikes me is how McCain has a voting record showing he is becoming more Conservative.
It's the opposite - MCain was once the highest score on the conservative score only second to Obama's high score on the liberal side last year. I was puting the numbers together for you and Scooby for comparison. I know scooby knew what the numbers were, I thought you did too. Since it's your and scooby's site that was the original post link....
Sorry, I should have added a legend.
 

reefraff

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McCain sitting at 60% conservative scares the hell out of the Dems. A strong conservative would have no chance this year.
There have been numerous polls/studies etc. that shows the majority of Americans are just right of center. They can be conservative democrats, liberal Republicans and independents. McCain will attrack many of these people because he is one of them.
The Dems had probably 3 unbeatable candidates they could have put up but for some reason the candidate will be the last Liberal standing.
 

zman1

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Originally Posted by reefraff
http:///forum/post/2561108
There have been numerous polls/studies etc..
At this time in an election year, they are about as accurate as the weatherperson and economist in forecasting....
McCain and Obama shouldn't even be there, if any of the previous were even close to being accurate.
The Seer....
 

zman1

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In 2000, Dan the independent was on holiday in Kenya after graduating from Northwestern University. On a hike through the bush, he came across a bull elephant standing with one leg raised in the air. The elephant seemed distressed, so Dan approached it very carefully.
He got down on one knee and inspected the elephant's foot and found a large piece of wood deeply imbedded in it.
As carefully and as gently as he could, Dan worked the wood out with his hunting knife, after which the elephant gingerly put down his foot.
The elephant turned to face the man, and with a rather curious look on its face, stared at him for several tense moments.
Dan stood frozen, thinking of nothing else but being trampled. Eventually the elephant trumpeted loudly, turned, and walked away.
Dan never forgot the events of that day.
Eight years later, Dan was walking through the Chicago Zoo with his son. As they approached the elephant enclosure, one of the creatures turned and walked over to near where Dan and his son were standing.
The large bull elephant stared at Dan, lifted its front foot off the ground, and then put it down. The elephant did that several times then trumpeted loudly, all the while staring at the man.
Remembering the encounter in 2000, Dan couldn't help wondering if this was the same elephant.
Dan summoned his courage, climbed over the railing, and made his way into the enclosure. He walked right up to the elephant and stared back in wonder. The elephant trumpeted again, wrapped its trunk around one of Dan's legs and slammed him against the railing, killing him instantly.
Probably wasn't the same elephant.
 

reefraff

Active Member
Originally Posted by zman1
http:///forum/post/2561130
At this time in an election year, they are about as accurate as the weatherperson and economist in forecasting....
McCain and Obama shouldn't even be there, if any of the previous were even close to being accurate.
The Seer....
The aren't election year specific polls and studies. just done on attitudes on issuea, not candidates.
 

1journeyman

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Originally Posted by zman1
http:///forum/post/2561090
It's the opposite - MCain was once the highest score on the conservative score only second to Obama's high score on the liberal side last year. I was puting the numbers together for you and Scooby for comparison. I know scooby knew what the numbers were, I thought you did too. Since it's your and scooby's site that was the original post link....
Sorry, I should have added a legend.
I'll confess I'm confused.. You seem to be correct, although it goes against what the description of how the numbers were compiled on the first link I posted.
So, McCain is voting more liberal... Thus furthering my conclusion that's he's a moderate.
Still better than a Socialist...
 

1journeyman

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More fun from Obama revealing how he feels about "small town America".
"And it’s not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren’t like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations..." From a speech he did Sunday in California.
 

scubadoo

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Nobama with his voting record , associations, judgement, etc is FAR LEFT. THose that try and piant him close to center only do so quoting the gospel according to Nobama.
I for one am suprised that this country would support an individual that has close ties to terrorists.
Much like the Rev Wright stroy..... this thread is far ahead of the main steram media coverage of Nobama and his terrorist friends.
 
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