Obama supporters. I have one question

1journeyman

1journeyman

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Originally Posted by Suzy
http:///forum/post/2562373
I prefer the term Goddess, but if you want to call me Liberal, that's OK. And, I care not one teeny tiny copepod arcatia or even a single shred of detritus about your "facts". Your "facts" are no more "facts" than Limbaughs are. Your "facts" are so biased how can one see the truth through the skimmate?
A "fact", by definition, cannot be biased. I think you are getting the words "fact" and "opinion" confused.
Saying President Carter is an icon is an opinion (a freakin comical one, but an opinion none-the-less).
Saying president Carter was President when Iran fell to radicals, when our embassy was overrun and hostages taken, that we had a massive oil shortage, that stagflation was rampant under Carter, that interest rates and inflation were in the double digits, cut defense spending, and allowed the Soviets to invade Afghanistan are all facts....
 
suzy

suzy

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Yes, you use your "facts", I use mine.
Where is it written that your party can do nothing about RVW? So, why do you keep acting like they are superior in this issue? If they have no power to change it , your party is not worth anything in regards to abortion.
Which major bill did Bush pass? One that actually had an effect on abortion rates?
What year was this torpedo action?
 
darthtang aw

darthtang aw

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Originally Posted by Suzy
http:///forum/post/2562355
Of course, you remember it differently.
Carter was the only president who has ever done anything to decrease abortion rates. He signed WIC, which gives aide to pregnant mothers, infants and toddlers. There is thought that mothers who couldn't afford to feed another child might choose another option if they had food for the baby.
You must remember very differently...lol
and I see nothing about abortion being the reason behind wic....
Take a look.
WIC History
When Did WIC Begin Nationally?
In the late 1960s, during the presidency of Lyndon B. Johnson, the federal government focused a great deal of attention on helping low-income Americans.
The 1967 National Nutrition Survey revealed that many lower income children suffered from anemia and inadequate growth. These conditions can adversely affect brain size and cognitive ability. The study showed that children got off to a poor start both physically and mentally because they didn't have enough to eat or they didn't eat the right foods. Some children also suffered because mothers did not get adequate nutrition during their pregnancies.
In 1972, Congress passed a bill sponsored by Senator Hubert H. Humphrey (D.Minn.) to create the Special Supplemental Nutrition Program for Women, Infants, and Children. Congress funded the program for two years and put the U.S. Department of Agriculture (USDA) in charge of it.
Hmmmmmmmmm....seems to me Carter wasn't president. Ok, Next.
 
1journeyman

1journeyman

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Originally Posted by Suzy
http:///forum/post/2562398
Yes, you use your "facts", I use mine.
Thanks.
Originally Posted by Suzy
http:///forum/post/2562398
Where is it written that your party can do nothing about RVW?
I know this is not a particularly popular document among Liberals, but the Constitution of the United States kinda covers it. Specifically Article 3, the eleventh Amendment, and the concept of "judicial review" established by the SC in the early 1800's.
Originally Posted by suzy
So, why do you keep acting like they are superior in this issue? If they have no power to change it , your party is not worth anything in regards to abortion.
Because my party, unlike yours, continues to do what it can within the scope of RvW. Further, my party's official platform calls for the "Right to Life". In addition, my Party's Presidential Canditate is not for partial birht abortions...
Originally Posted by suzy
Which major bill did Bush pass? One that actually had an effect on abortion rates?
We've gone over this before...
*Partial birth abortion ban of 2003
*The Unborn Victims of Violence Act of 2004
Abortion numbers continue to fall, although there is no way to attribute the numbers directly to any 1 law.
Originally Posted by suzy
What year was this torpedo action?
Every year it comes up, in both Federal and State Houses... Are you going to argue the Democratic Party is not directly linked to panned parenthood and the "Pro Choice" movement?
 
stdreb27

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I'm so totally confused, is a liberal arguing that another liberal did something to lower abortions? As if that is a good thing? I thought liberals like killing babies? I thought part of the liberal religion was the sacrifice of the unborn with scissor through the skull. Are you saying that you don't think abortion is good?
Lets not forget that since the liberals have taken over congress, we've seen oil jump another 55 dollars and this so called cretid crisis. Way to go libs.
 
suzy

suzy

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Of course you can use whatever. You guys just cut n paste what ever you want! I won't stop ya! Anymore than your party will ever do anything about abortions. They can't, 'cause those big mean liberals won't let 'em. It's not their fault they can't push any of the issues on their platform. It's someone else's fault they were so ineffective during the last administration, when they had a majority in both houses and no body to veto anything they wanted....
What else is in the platform they can't do, because of that other stronger party? They didn't get smaller government, or decreased spending, 'cause of those terrible spending democrats.
So, what good is your party if they can't do anything except complain?
Oh, that's right. They can pass legislation that does nothing, but it makes you guys think they did. Maybe they should try for that gay marriage amendment they promised last election. I'm sure some people might believe them again! You guys can run your whole party on a hate platform!
 
suzy

suzy

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Originally Posted by stdreb27
http:///forum/post/2562515
I'm so totally confused, is a liberal arguing that another liberal did something to lower abortions? As if that is a good thing? I thought liberals like killing babies? I thought part of the liberal religion was the sacrifice of the unborn with scissor through the skull. Are you saying that you don't think abortion is good?
Lets not forget that since the liberals have taken over congress, we've seen oil jump another 55 dollars and this so called cretid crisis. Way to go libs.
We have two oil men in office. We'll fix it when they are gone.
What has your party done to decrease abortions?
 
darthtang aw

darthtang aw

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Originally Posted by Suzy
http:///forum/post/2562520
Of course you can use whatever. You guys just cut n paste what ever you want! I won't stop ya! Anymore than your party will ever do anything about abortions. They can't, 'cause those big mean liberals won't let 'em. It's not their fault they can't push any of the issues on their platform. It's someone else's fault they were so ineffective during the last administration, when they had a majority in both houses and no body to veto anything they wanted....
What else is in the platform they can't do, because of that other stronger party? They didn't get smaller government, or decreased spending, 'cause of those terrible spending democrats.
So, what good is your party if they can't do anything except complain?
Oh, that's right. They can pass legislation that does nothing, but it makes you guys think they did. Maybe they should try for that gay marriage amendment they promised last election. I'm sure some people might believe them again! You guys can run your whole party on a hate platform!
I still wish to know what makes Carter's presidency not incompetant....I have since proven he did not sign the WIC bill....anymore or do you just conceed you were wrong.
Oh and Abortion can ONLY be overturned by the supreme court. bills can be created for issues such as late term abortions, but to over turn abortion that is a decision of the supreme court. so your argument of what has your party done for Roe V Wade is stupid. Neither party can affect roe V Wade unless they hold the presidency long enough to appoint judges that will over turn it.
 
suzy

suzy

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Ok, guys. Get your thinking caps on, 'cause this is kinda hard to understand. (We are supposed to talk rude and condesending to each other, right?). The stuff that JM linked to is called FeelGood legislation. It's when a party pushes a bill that actually does nothing but it makes the base of the party (those that will never admit their chosen party is a turd sandwich) feel like they did. But, in reality, the party does not want to push any legislation that actually makes them look like they ARE really anti-choice because the majority of Americans are pro choice. If they actually do anything, it would hurt them in a general election. So, they pass these little things that don't affect anything, but the supportive base thinks it does. Like you guys do. But, really, they did nuttin'.
But, it feels good to think they did, huh? Pat yourselves on the back guys! You saved babies!
 
1journeyman

1journeyman

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Originally Posted by Suzy
http:///forum/post/2562571
Ok, guys. Get your thinking caps on, 'cause this is kinda hard to understand. (We are supposed to talk rude and condesending to each other, right?). The stuff that JM linked to is called FeelGood legislation. It's when a party pushes a bill that actually does nothing but it makes the base of the party (those that will never admit their chosen party is a turd sandwich) feel like they did. But, in reality, the party does not want to push any legislation that actually makes them look like they ARE really anti-choice because the majority of Americans are pro choice. If they actually do anything, it would hurt them in a general election. So, they pass these little things that don't affect anything, but the supportive base thinks it does. Like you guys do. But, really, they did nuttin'.
But, it feels good to think they did, huh? Pat yourselves on the back guys! You saved babies!
Hehe... So that's how you justify saying you are Pro Life while supporting a candidate who supports partial birth abortions? Nice.
Many, many Republican candidates actively say they are Pro Life and want to see an end to abortion. Just as many, many Democrats say they want to allow the continued killing of babies.
Sorry Suzy; your argument doesn't wash. So "Carter's" WIC plan somehow was more effective than actual bills limiting abortion?
 
1journeyman

1journeyman

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Originally Posted by Suzy
http:///forum/post/2562521
We have two oil men in office. We'll fix it when they are gone....
By Socializing the Oil Companies like Chavez has done? By abandoning Iraq and allowing Iran to dominate their oil fields? That should fix everything... Just one question; Define "fix"?
2 years from now when you are standing in line for 2 hours waiting to fill up your car with $6 a gallon gasoline listening to the media reports of the civilian slaughter of our former allies in Iraq remember it was your party that "fixed" it.
Don't come here and try to blame President Bush when we post pics of dead civilians, inflation going through the roof, an actual economic recession and higher unemployment numbers.... It will be your party that "fixed" everything. And it will be your party that promises more Government handouts to further "fix" things.
 
darthtang aw

darthtang aw

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Originally Posted by Suzy
http:///forum/post/2562571
Ok, guys. Get your thinking caps on, 'cause this is kinda hard to understand. (We are supposed to talk rude and condesending to each other, right?). The stuff that JM linked to is called FeelGood legislation. It's when a party pushes a bill that actually does nothing but it makes the base of the party (those that will never admit their chosen party is a turd sandwich) feel like they did. But, in reality, the party does not want to push any legislation that actually makes them look like they ARE really anti-choice because the majority of Americans are pro choice. If they actually do anything, it would hurt them in a general election. So, they pass these little things that don't affect anything, but the supportive base thinks it does. Like you guys do. But, really, they did nuttin'.
But, it feels good to think they did, huh? Pat yourselves on the back guys! You saved babies!
Cool, you were wrong about Carter. Thanks for admitting it.
 
suzy

suzy

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Originally Posted by 1journeyman
http:///forum/post/2562591
Hehe... So that's how you justify saying you are Pro Life while supporting a candidate who supports partial birth abortions? Nice.
So, you support a party that talks big but does nothing? Nice.
Originally Posted by 1journeyman
http:///forum/post/2562591
Many, many Republican candidates actively say they are Pro Life and want to see an end to abortion. Just as many, many Democrats say they want to allow the continued killing of babies.
hehe, they say that yet do nothing. They say that so you believe that they have some moral high ground but really, isn't it just lying when they know once they scam you into voting for them, they will just blow it off? hehe
Originally Posted by 1journeyman
http:///forum/post/2562591
Sorry Suzy; your argument doesn't wash. So "Carter's" WIC plan somehow was more effective than actual bills limiting abortion?
Your argument that there is a bill that limits abortions doesn't wash. You've been played if you think it has. You belive it like you believe they want to limit spending.....hehe
 
suzy

suzy

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Originally Posted by 1journeyman
http:///forum/post/2562610
By Socializing the Oil Companies like Chavez has done? By abandoning Iraq and allowing Iran to dominate their oil fields? That should fix everything... Just one question; Define "fix"?
2 years from now when you are standing in line for 2 hours waiting to fill up your car with $6 a gallon gasoline listening to the media reports of the civilian slaughter of our former allies in Iraq remember it was your party that "fixed" it.
Don't come here and try to blame President Bush when we post pics of dead civilians, inflation going through the roof, an actual economic recession and higher unemployment numbers.... It will be your party that "fixed" everything. And it will be your party that promises more Government handouts to further "fix" things.
I'll be driving electric!
Keep promoting an endless war. We will get out eventually. The slaughter will be the fault of the creeps who did not plan anything to begin with. What do you think they thought would happen? We really would stay there forever? We were lied to and told this war would last 6 weeks. Did they not realize we would want out after 6 years? Yes, I blame Bush and you that voted for him. I won't wait, I blame him now.
And, you can blame all the wrong on the other party.
 
suzy

suzy

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Originally Posted by Darthtang AW
http:///forum/post/2562618
Cool, you were wrong about Carter. Thanks for admitting it.
Oh, did I get my Dems mixed up? So. what has your party done? The Right to lifers? Cut WIC? Cut funding for health care for children already born? What has the Republican done for the last 8 years? With all that control?
 
suzy

suzy

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Originally Posted by Blackjacktang
http:///forum/post/2562627
WOW!!
This thread never goas to sleep. 44 PAGES!!
I'm going for at least 50! We can get at least 3 pages at a time from the cut n paste guy!
But, I must admit I am not alone. Got some really hot LIBERAL nurses playing today! (We have the right winger types locked up in the ER)
 
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