Obama supporters. I have one question

scubadoo

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Originally Posted by Rylan1
http:///forum/post/2569615
Either way gas will still be $4.
So, you are stating if the governement cuts the fuel tax the price will reamain the same?
Sorry, I don;t follow your logic. Is this a NO bama position? Even if you cut taxes on fuel...the price remains the same?
 
scubadoo

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Originally Posted by Rylan1
http:///forum/post/2569641
what is your obsession with Wright? He is not running... Who are you voting for?
I thought it was obvious looking over the 50 plus pages to this point on this thread that I am a NObama supporter.
 
crashbandicoot

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Originally Posted by ScubaDoo
http:///forum/post/2570340
Now NObama supporters can boast and brag they have Hamas officially on board regarding the campaign. Axlerod is flattered by the endorsement and the praise from Hamas. maybe Nobama can incorporate the Hamas Manifesto in his offical platform .
maybe Uncle Rev Wright will invite Hamas over to his new 10,000 sq ft home so he can hold one of those hate rallies. he can fund the event with his 10 million line of credit the church has set up and attached to his palace. Uncle Rev and his number one nephew Nobama can call it Hatefest 2008.


Wow thats all you had to say I am totally changing my ideas . If its good enough for hamas then its good enough for me .
 
scubadoo

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Fats71;2569522 said:
“He thinks so highly of us doesn't he.. ...
He is nothing more than a fake and a fruad on america. He believes he can simply invent an excuse for every situation that places him in a corner.
I feel many on this thread have painted an accurate picture of the real NObama. Since he was farily unknown...he's known now.
I have proven time and again that even his supporters on this thread know little regarding his record. They simply accept his mantra and do not question.
he's been given a holiday by the media until recently regarding his associations, judgement and record. Of course, he still has his core support since the democratic party has been taken over by the far left agenda. I think if you showed them a tape of NObama clapping at one of Uncle Rev's hate rallies they'd still buy in to the excuse he would float to the media.
Rest assured...this Uncle Rev Wright story is not going away any time soon.
That's not even taking into account his Rezko ties....his good friends the weatherbombers, etc, etc, etc.
His name has already been mentioned a few times at the Rezko trial. Rest assured I'm monitoring that case. He's already been caught in a lie at that trial.......I'm sure many more will follow. Who knows where this will end up.
Don't be surprised if NObama has to excuse away some things coming out at this trial. You can make the list by now of Nobama exucses.
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scubadoo

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Originally Posted by Crashbandicoot
http:///forum/post/2570567
Wow thats all you had to say I am totally changing my ideas . If its good enough for hamas then its good enough for me .

The campaign is flattered that hamas thinks so highly of NObama. And his suppoters wonder why NObama's church printed that hamas garbage in their bulletin? Once again....you stand back and look...it comes back full circle...there is a definite pattern here. One radical hate organization scratches the back of another radical hate group and the favor is returned. Well, at least the NObama campaign was upfront embracing the endorsement and were "flattered".
 
scubadoo

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Originally Posted by Rylan1
http:///forum/post/2569626
Debt is not a good way to live... it limits what you can do for yourself and others.
Actually, debt can open doors for folks. Student loans can be a way for some to get a college education and have preofessional careers. So, debt can remove limitations.
many small businesses start out in debt....they succeed. If the owners did not go into debt...they would be limited as to what they could do to earn a living. This debt they incur also creates jobs for others..additonal oppurtunities...imagine that.
Would you like addtional examples of when debt can actually create oppurtunity as opposed to placing limitations? In many cases..it removes limitations and creates oppurtunity.
Both on the individual and business level...debt is not limiting..and can create oppurtunity that would not exist without debt.
Tough concept for some folks to grasp when you drink the doom and gloom liberal Kool Aid served by the far left liberals.
 
scubadoo

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Originally Posted by Rylan1
http:///forum/post/2569626
I don't understand the question.. but I stopped using mine a couple years ago... Debt is not a good way to live... it limits what you can do for yourself and others.
Before I hit the sheets..I forgot to mention you can rest easy tonight as NObama's Uncle now has a 10 million dollar line of credit tied to his new 10,000 sq foot palace in that rich white neighborhood. The Rev Shamus Lowdown will not have to worry about debt. All you Nobama church members keep dropping your $ in the collection plate. I'm sure the Rev will want to move around and upgrade each time to several white rich neighborhoods so he can keep a close eye on rich white america. Give till it hurts....Uncle Rev Wright is on the job and monitoring the "hood".
 
rylan1

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Originally Posted by ScubaDoo
http:///forum/post/2570588
Actually, debt can open doors for folks. Student loans can be a way for some to get a college education and have preofessional careers. So, debt can remove limitations.
many small businesses start out in debt....they succeed. If the owners did not go into debt...they would be limited as to what they could do to earn a living. This debt they incur also creates jobs for others..additonal oppurtunities...imagine that.
Would you like addtional examples of when debt can actually create oppurtunity as opposed to placing limitations? In many cases..it removes limitations and creates oppurtunity.
Both on the individual and business level...debt is not limiting..and can create oppurtunity that would not exist without debt.
Tough concept for some folks to grasp when you drink the doom and gloom liberal Kool Aid served by the far left liberals.

Yes, there is a such thing as 'positive debt' , the need to borrow to advance yourself in business or education. But this is not what I am talking about.. I'm talking about the mismanagment of finances... and borrowing to simply maintain a lifestyle or image, when if you simply eliminated wasteful spending you would be fine, without the need to borrow. And when you are in debt, it does limit your options because you are tied to a payment and you are not able to do things with that money. Our gov't is like this... They won't sanction China... they won't get invloved in Saudi affairs because we owe them so much money. We can't improve this country the way we would like because we can't afford to... we could actually pay less in taxes if our gov't could balance a budget, and stop borrowing... We could stand on better principles if we weren't indebted to foreign gov'ts...You want to argue about the dems and what they want to do with taxes... but lets look at this current admin and all the wasteful spending.. this war we can't afford... that gov't credit card scandal, and etc...
 
oscardeuce

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Originally Posted by ScubaDoo
http:///forum/post/2570588
Actually, debt can open doors for folks. Student loans can be a way for some to get a college education and have preofessional careers. So, debt can remove limitations.
many small businesses start out in debt....they succeed. If the owners did not go into debt...they would be limited as to what they could do to earn a living. This debt they incur also creates jobs for others..additonal oppurtunities...imagine that.
Would you like addtional examples of when debt can actually create oppurtunity as opposed to placing limitations? In many cases..it removes limitations and creates oppurtunity.
Both on the individual and business level...debt is not limiting..and can create oppurtunity that would not exist without debt.
Tough concept for some folks to grasp when you drink the doom and gloom liberal Kool Aid served by the far left liberals.
Without debt, I would have never attended medical school.
 
stdreb27

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Originally Posted by ScubaDoo
http:///forum/post/2570593
Before I hit the sheets..I forgot to mention you can rest easy tonight as NObama's Uncle now has a 10 million dollar line of credit tied to his new 10,000 sq foot palace in that rich white neighborhood. The Rev Shamus Lowdown will not have to worry about debt. All you Nobama church members keep dropping your $ in the collection plate. I'm sure the Rev will want to move around and upgrade each time to several white rich neighborhoods so he can keep a close eye on rich white america. Give till it hurts....Uncle Rev Wright is on the job and monitoring the "hood".
He is a spy! Going to report the evils of materialism in monthly reports back to the church. They are going to run his report right next to the monthly Hamas update
 
rylan1

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Originally Posted by ScubaDoo
http:///forum/post/2570593
Before I hit the sheets..I forgot to mention you can rest easy tonight as NObama's Uncle now has a 10 million dollar line of credit tied to his new 10,000 sq foot palace in that rich white neighborhood. The Rev Shamus Lowdown will not have to worry about debt. All you Nobama church members keep dropping your $ in the collection plate. I'm sure the Rev will want to move around and upgrade each time to several white rich neighborhoods so he can keep a close eye on rich white america. Give till it hurts....Uncle Rev Wright is on the job and monitoring the "hood".
I don't care ... he is not my pastor nor is he running for the presidentcy. I think pastors should be able to retire nicely after 30 years of service.. The article you mentioned said there was no wrong doing so just leave it at that... if this is what the church or Wright wants to do, than thats on them.. not really my business.. And who cares what neighborhood he lives in ...for all you know most of his neighbors could be black...Chicago does have many wealthy african americans... point is that it doesn't matter where he lives...and what neighborhood he is in or who his neighbors are. You rather worry about this stuff.. than the serious problems we are facing as a nation.
 
rylan1

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Originally Posted by ScubaDoo
http:///forum/post/2570543
So, you are stating if the governement cuts the fuel tax the price will reamain the same?
Sorry, I don;t follow your logic. Is this a NO bama position? Even if you cut taxes on fuel...the price remains the same?

Its going to be just as much as it is now... and no, I don't think Obama has commited on this... This is not something that needs to be cut... 1st you hear we need to invest in our infrastructure because our roads and bridges are below standard, and that it will create jobs... than you have McCain saying that we should take money out of this fund. If you want to cut costs... stop shipping our oil out, talk to Saudi Arabia, talk to these oil companies who are profiting billions, release some of the fuel reserves, build more refineries, invest in alternative vehicles, get these car manufactures to build better fuel effiecient vehicles and make them affordable. It doesn't make since to take funding away from something that needs improved on.. it also will probably have an effect on employement of construction laborers because of having less road projects.
 
rylan1

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Originally Posted by reefraff
http:///forum/post/2570518
The whole "I don't take money from lobbyists" was a joke from the start. OBS says he doesn't take money from the firm that lobbys for a corporation or the corporate PAC but how much has he taken from the officers of the corporation or spouses and family members of the groups? Isn't a dime's worth of difference.
So for example.. if I work for Nationwide Ins and want to donate to his campaign... I can't because of who I work for?... This doesn't make since... many of us work for organization that lobby in Congress, but that doesn't mean the individual can't donate or support the candidate of their choosing, and it doesn't mean there is a tie b/w the two... Many of these companies employ thousands.. and it would simply be undemocratic to not allow someone to donate based upon their job. He is not taking $ from those organizations .. his campaign has always been about the people which is why he has the most donations with the lowest average amount given.. What you need to be concerned about is if McCain has broken a rule with the financing of his campaign. He called for and recieved benefits of public financing.. now he wants to get out of it... He has spent to much and shouldn't be able to campaign again until fall.
 
fats71

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Originally Posted by Rylan1
http:///forum/post/2570795
Yes, there is a such thing as 'positive debt' , the need to borrow to advance yourself in business or education. But this is not what I am talking about.. I'm talking about the mismanagment of finances... and borrowing to simply maintain a lifestyle or image, when if you simply eliminated wasteful spending you would be fine, without the need to borrow. And when you are in debt, it does limit your options because you are tied to a payment and you are not able to do things with that money. Our gov't is like this... They won't sanction China... they won't get invloved in Saudi affairs because we owe them so much money. We can't improve this country the way we would like because we can't afford to... we could actually pay less in taxes if our gov't could balance a budget, and stop borrowing... We could stand on better principles if we weren't indebted to foreign gov'ts...You want to argue about the dems and what they want to do with taxes... but lets look at this current admin and all the wasteful spending.. this war we can't afford... that gov't credit card scandal, and etc...
Most of the dems I know got them fancy whips P I M P clothing big screens AND THE BLING BLING and all on credit or should I say credix.. They also do not have a J O B and live off the W I C.. I am speaking just off people whom I know who are dems in this area and using their own words
Originally Posted by Rylan1
http:///forum/post/2570846
I don't care ... he is not my pastor nor is he running for the presidency. I think pastors should be able to retire nicely after 30 years of service.. The article you mentioned said there was no wrong doing so just leave it at that... if this is what the church or Wright wants to do, than thats on them.. not really my business.. And who cares what neighborhood he lives in ...for all you know most of his neighbors could be black...Chicago does have many wealthy African americans... point is that it doesn't matter where he lives...and what neighborhood he is in or who his neighbors are. You rather worry about this stuff.. than the serious problems we are facing as a nation.

Your Right he is not your pastor or running for pres but the Obama whom your supporting falls under both and goes as far as to call him uncle.
I know lots of pastors as I myself have been involved in street ministries/jail/ working in the church and also a student off vineyard bible inst. ( I have a long way to go but we all do)
Anyway my point is this. being involved in the church and what not I see first hand what true men of GOD do. They do not spend everything they get on their "CRIBS" they put it back into the church for feeding homeless kids activities. Mailing out DVDs to people like me of their service for free when I have not been to the church in 5 years due to moving but still love to watch their services. They pay bills for people in need. They buy cars for people whom can not. They give to their community and sacrifice. They do not need the ROLLO they are fine with expo...
Following a man as Obama has been doing just IMO is not following GOD but following a man.
 
gonefishcrazy

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Fats71;2570898 said:
Most of the dems I know got them fancy whips P I M P clothing big screens AND THE BLING BLING and all on credit or should I say credix.. They also do not have a J O B and live off the W I C.. I am speaking just off people whom I know who are dems in this area and using their own words
Are you sure you did not really want to say Blacks? Right now you sound more racists than picture you are trying to show of Wright. Every two posts somebody bring up Wright, I would swear he's running for President. How many posts is there about McCain not voting for Martin Lutherking Holiday? He's old enough t had been around segregation times. I don't accept his saying he's sorry and was wrong. He knows better. I don't hear about McCain's infidelity in his previous marriage and marrying into money.
Anyway, on a new topic. I liked that interview michele Obama did about them being elitist. I love how Obama pointed out to hillary that they are bringing up his ties to the weatherunderground and her husband pardoned two of the convicted people of the weatherunderground. Also how he waqs the bigger person when he helped her in saying everybody is allowed to make mistakes unlike her looking for wording he says to try and make an issue with it. By the way Im talking to Democrats.
OBAMA 2008
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reefraff

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I believe the neighborhood the good pastor is moving into is 98% white. Not that there would normally be anything wrong with that but considering his words from the pulpit about rich white folk.....
Seems the pastor is as big a phoney as Obama
 
darthtang aw

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Originally Posted by gonefishcrazy
http:///forum/post/2571010
Anyway, on a new topic. I liked that interview michele Obama did about them being elitist. I love how Obama pointed out to hillary that they are bringing up his ties to the weatherunderground and her husband pardoned two of the convicted people of the weatherunderground. Also how he waqs the bigger person when he helped her in saying everybody is allowed to make mistakes unlike her looking for wording he says to try and make an issue with it. By the way Im talking to Democrats.
OBAMA 2008


I grow tired of those types of responses. May as well Be in OZ and hearing a voice saying look over there not behind the curtain. Obama didn't address his "friendship" or "association" with the Ayers. He essentially said "Yeah, so what? Mrs. Clinton's Husband pardoned two of them.".
This didn't address it just deflected it.
Atleast McCain had the cahones to say he was wrong and or I am sorry on the issues. Something the anti-Bush crowd has been screaming for Bush to do. Yet when a guy does it you respond with "He isn't sincere."
 
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