Obama supporters. I have one question

reefraff

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gonefishcrazy;2571010 said:

Originally Posted by Fats71
http:///forum/post/2570898
Most of the dems I know got them fancy whips P I M P clothing big screens AND THE BLING BLING and all on credit or should I say credix.. They also do not have a J O B and live off the W I C.. I am speaking just off people whom I know who are dems in this area and using their own words
Are you sure you did not really want to say Blacks? Right now you sound more racists than picture you are trying to show of Wright. Every two posts somebody bring up Wright, I would swear he's running for President. How many posts is there about McCain not voting for Martin Lutherking Holiday? He's old enough t had been around segregation times. I don't accept his saying he's sorry and was wrong. He knows better. I don't hear about McCain's infidelity in his previous marriage and marrying into money.
Anyway, on a new topic. I liked that interview michele Obama did about them being elitist. I love how Obama pointed out to hillary that they are bringing up his ties to the weatherunderground and her husband pardoned two of the convicted people of the weatherunderground. Also how he waqs the bigger person when he helped her in saying everybody is allowed to make mistakes unlike her looking for wording he says to try and make an issue with it. By the way Im talking to Democrats.
NoBAMA 2008


We already knew the Clintons were a sack of snake sheet, we're just now discovering what size bag Obama is. So the fact Clinto pardoned two jailed members who had served jail terms longer than a decade and claimed to have had a change of heart about their terrorist activities makes it OK for OBS to hang with the one who got away and says he didn't do enough bombing?
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gonefishcrazy

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Originally Posted by Darthtang AW
http:///forum/post/2571070
I grow tired of those types of responses. May as well Be in OZ and hearing a voice saying look over there not behind the curtain. Obama didn't address his "friendship" or "association" with the Ayers. He essentially said "Yeah, so what? Mrs. Clinton's Husband pardoned two of them.".
This didn't address it just deflected it.
Atleast McCain had the cahones to say he was wrong and or I am sorry on the issues. Something the anti-Bush crowd has been screaming for Bush to do. Yet when a guy does it you respond with "He isn't sincere."
OH, you are a democrat? I'll respond, he did not say yeah so what. He said when Ayers did what he did he was 8 years old. Its not like he's his advisor, counselor, best friend. At McCain's age Im sure McCain knows somebody who's racists but we will never know. What about his ex wife if we want to be ethical. We all have friends who don't have the same beliefs. A matter of fact we all have spouses, mates that have different opinions and beliefs. Look at Arnold he backs McCain and his wife backs Obama.
 
rylan1

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gonefishcrazy;2571010 said:

Originally Posted by Fats71
http:///forum/post/2570898
Most of the dems I know got them fancy whips P I M P clothing big screens AND THE BLING BLING and all on credit or should I say credix.. They also do not have a J O B and live off the W I C.. I am speaking just off people whom I know who are dems in this area and using their own words
Are you sure you did not really want to say Blacks? Right now you sound more racists than picture you are trying to show of Wright. Every two posts somebody bring up Wright, I would swear he's running for President. How many posts is there about McCain not voting for Martin Lutherking Holiday? He's old enough t had been around segregation times. I don't accept his saying he's sorry and was wrong. He knows better. I don't hear about McCain's infidelity in his previous marriage and marrying into money.
Anyway, on a new topic. I liked that interview michele Obama did about them being elitist. I love how Obama pointed out to hillary that they are bringing up his ties to the weatherunderground and her husband pardoned two of the convicted people of the weatherunderground. Also how he waqs the bigger person when he helped her in saying everybody is allowed to make mistakes unlike her looking for wording he says to try and make an issue with it. By the way Im talking to Democrats.
OBAMA 2008

That in part is the point I am trying to make... No one is perfect.. and there are very questionable things in both Clinton's and McCain's past that could be easy targets, but one of the things I like about Obama is that he stays above these things... So if thats being "elitist" than I'm fine with that. McCain is not releasing his wifes tax records...okay, but keep in mind that she has provided loans to his campaigns in the past. In too the point above, Clinton has lost favor because of the smear attacks... You can't call Obama out when your own husband pardoned people of this group. Whats clear to me with this association is that Obama brings together people from all sorts of backgrounds.
But why add the 'slang' to it? He should have just said Black people.. but what does this have to do with the conversation? Is this the same person that said they think Obama is going to bust out with some ebonic laced gangsta rap?
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1journeyman

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I'm amazed in this day and age that Obama supporters or so quick to shrug off the Hamas/Weather Underground angle.
If Mccain was ties to a terorist group he'd be run out of the Senate, and certainly not be running for President.
as for "Rev" Wright. obama has lied about what he knew and when he knew it (based on his later admissions). Obama hired the "Rev" to be on his campaign staff knowing Wright's views...
Now, take what Obama said about Imus: "There’s nobody on my staff who would still be working for me if they made a comment like that about anybody of any ethnic group..." "He didn’t just cross the line,” Obama said. “He fed into some of the worst stereotypes that my two young daughters are having to deal with today in America..." Gee, like your Pastor isn't?
Then, take into account Obama knew of "Rev" Wright's racist and anti-American views yet still hired him.
What are supposed to think?
 
reefraff

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Obama's claims on lobbyist money prove flimsy Fri Apr 18, 12:23 AM ET
Barack Obama has loudly criticized his presidential rivals for being too cozy with Washington influence seekers. Unlike John McCain or Hillary Clinton, he insists, he doesn't take money from corporate political action committees or Washington lobbyists. But as USA TODAY's Ken Dilanian pointed out in stories this week, that's a flimsy claim.
Although Obama refuses direct campaign contributions from "Washington lobbyists," he takes money from lobbyists' spouses and holds fundraisers at the offices of law firms that lobby Congress. He won't touch money from PACs or lobbyists representing big oil and drug companies, but he happily accepts huge amounts of money from executives at those companies and many others. In fact, he's relying on two oil company executives to raise $50,000 apiece for his campaign.
Obama may like voters to think he'd cross the street rather than deal with a lobbyist, but nine of his campaign staffers are former lobbyists, and some of his informal advisers are current lobbyists.
The story is much the same with McCain, who also likes to portray himself as a scourge of lobbyists. His inner circle and fundraising ranks are heavily populated with current and former lobbyists. Ditto for Clinton's campaign advisers and bundlers of cash.
The reality is that as much as some candidates like to demonize lobbyists, they're a virtually unavoidable part of the Washington culture. They petition the government on causes as popular as animal welfare or national parks and as unpopular as cockfighting or pollution. It's virtually impossible to run a modern national campaign without relying on them or the sort of money they represent. Campaigns simply cost too much.
After the mega-scandal involving disgraced lobbyist Jack Abramoff, it's heartening that the candidates are at least trying to keep their distance from black-hat influence peddlers. But more important than head-of-a-pin arguments over who's purer on the lobbyist issue, it's who's trying to do something about a system where presidential candidates are forced to go hat in hand to special interests that typically expect a return on their investment.
Obama and McCain both made noises early on about accepting public financing for the general election, which would shut down outside money and provide each major party candidate $84 million. But lately, they've both sounded less eager about trusting a system that is rusty and underfunded.
That system needs to be fixed for future presidential elections and, even more crucially, extended to congressional elections.
The same toxic money-grubbing that taints presidents stains House and Senate candidates, too. Obama and Clinton have said they support broader public financing; McCain is opposed. That, not who has more lobbyists on their donor rolls this year, is the key issue for voters interested in getting special interest money out of politics.
 
rylan1

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Originally Posted by Darthtang AW
http:///forum/post/2571070
I grow tired of those types of responses. May as well Be in OZ and hearing a voice saying look over there not behind the curtain. Obama didn't address his "friendship" or "association" with the Ayers. He essentially said "Yeah, so what? Mrs. Clinton's Husband pardoned two of them.".
This didn't address it just deflected it.
Atleast McCain had the cahones to say he was wrong and or I am sorry on the issues. Something the anti-Bush crowd has been screaming for Bush to do. Yet when a guy does it you respond with "He isn't sincere."
They worked together at the Univ of Chicago as professors... and were board members of an anti-poverty organization. He also was part of the nationally recongized school reform program in Chicago. He is a top education professor... So they work at the same Univ and served on a board together..I would think they would know each other fairly well. His approach has been the most sincere of probably any candidate.. at least in recent history... I think one flaw maybe he is too open, which has lead to some of attacks he has faced.
 
1journeyman

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Originally Posted by Rylan1
http:///forum/post/2571085
... but one of the things I like about Obama is that he stays above these things... ...Obama brings together people from all sorts of backgrounds....
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*Entering into a shady deal with Rezko
*Using his own PAC money to bribe Superdelegates (Hopefund)
*Hiring "rev" Wright
*Lying about what he knew about his pastor
*Lying about how much money he received from rezko
*Calling for Imus to be fired while hiring Wright
Just curious, when is he going to start to "stay above" anything?
Obama brings people of all sort of backgrounds together? Really? So you would be ok if McCain hired a Grand Wizard of the KKK? After all, the KKK are people too, right? "rev" Wright has called the south African Apartheid Government racists and terrorists. So, based on your reasoning, it would be ok for McCain to hire some former Apartheid members?
 
1journeyman

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Originally Posted by Rylan1
http:///forum/post/2571107
They worked together at the Univ of Chicago as professors... and were board members of an anti-poverty organization. He also was part of the nationally recongized school reform program in Chicago. He is a top education professor... So they work at the same Univ and served on a board together..I would think they would know each other fairly well. His approach has been the most sincere of probably any candidate.. at least in recent history... I think one flaw maybe he is too open, which has lead to some of attacks he has faced.
Don't forget went to a social gathering at his house 4 years ago...
 
1journeyman

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Rylan, since you are currently reading this thread; How about you answer my earlier question.
Are you for Socializing the Oil industry?
 
fats71

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Are you sure you did not really want to say Blacks?
I am sure. should I have said blacks >? Are you saying that is what blacks do? I dunno but it seems your saying most Dem's are black and follow the path in which I described but I sure did not put any race in it I was generalizing but I guess you know something.
I will have to investigate this allegation your making.
 
gonefishcrazy

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Its ok, I know some people have to hide behind their true feelings and thoughts so nobody would know who they really are. Yes and we know most blacks are democratic. I'm black and I'm a democrat and I don't get any government assistance. I own a 4 bedroom 2 and a half bath with a pool and lake, 3500 square feet in florida. 95 percent of my neighbors are white. I have blue cross blue shield as insurance. I go on four vacations every year. What kind of democrat am I?
 
gonefishcrazy

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Originally Posted by Fats71
http:///forum/post/2571233
I am sure. should I have said blacks >? Are you saying that is what blacks do? I dunno but it seems your saying most Dem's are black and follow the path in which I described but I sure did not put any race in it I was generalizing but I guess you know something.
I will have to investigate this allegation your making.
Just saying what you wanted to say. How many white people use the slang Bling bling and Pimp clothing?
 
reefraff

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Originally Posted by gonefishcrazy
http:///forum/post/2571356
Its ok, I know some people have to hide behind their true feelings and thoughts so nobody would know who they really are. Yes and we know most blacks are democratic. I'm black and I'm a democrat and I don't get any government assistance. I own a 4 bedroom 2 and a half bath with a pool and lake, 3500 square feet in florida. 95 percent of my neighbors are white. I have blue cross blue shield as insurance. I go on four vacations every year. What kind of democrat am I?

Wanna adopt a white 48 year-old?
 
1journeyman

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Originally Posted by gonefishcrazy
http:///forum/post/2571356
...I have blue cross blue shield as insurance. I go on four vacations every year. What kind of democrat am I?
One that is about to get his Insurance messed up and who isn't payng enough in taxes? (According to obama...)
 
scubadoo

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Originally Posted by Rylan1
http:///forum/post/2570846
I don't care ... he is not my pastor nor is he running for the presidentcy. I think pastors should be able to retire nicely after 30 years of service.. The article you mentioned said there was no wrong doing so just leave it at that... if this is what the church or Wright wants to do, than thats on them.. not really my business.. And who cares what neighborhood he lives in ...for all you know most of his neighbors could be black...Chicago does have many wealthy african americans... point is that it doesn't matter where he lives...and what neighborhood he is in or who his neighbors are. You rather worry about this stuff.. than the serious problems we are facing as a nation.
It is a big scam on his flock. He ran down rich whitey as the devil and yet he has no problems living a lifestyle that he ranted and slammed down for years.
Nobama was right there cheering him on for 20 years...yet now we see Nobama's favorite uncle living the same life style he screamed about.
Actually, Ive done my researh and his new palace is in a neighborhood that is over 90% white.
Like I said...I guess he moved in to keep an eye on evil whitey.
The reason why I bring this up is that the leading democratic cnadidate holds this guy close. No one knows that much about NObama so we have to look at his judgement and associtations.
Rest assured ...I've done my homework. Have you?
 
scubadoo

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Rylan1;2571085 said:
Originally Posted by gonefishcrazy
http:///forum/post/2571010
That in part is the point I am trying to make... No one is perfect.. and there are very questionable things in both Clinton's and McCain's past that could be easy targets, but one of the things I like about Obama is that he stays above these things... ?

I agreee, all the candidates have things in their past.
The issue I have with you is that you always excuse away anything negative against NObama. he can do no wrong or any excucse provided is accepted by you.
Drink the NObama Kool AId.
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