Obama supporters. I have one question

[scubadoo]

Originally Posted by Rylan1
http:///forum/post/2477344
Obama is not racist and he often speaks lovingly of his white mother and grandparents.... this political bull you people keep bringing up has nothing to do with the issues. .
Seems like he was quick to throw grandma from the train but continues to support his Uncle Rev Wright. He did say his grandma was a tyipical white preson. What a loving comment from NObama.

 

[fats71]

Think about these facts before you vote.
This is something people should understand. Don't get blindsided. This is
really going to catch a lot of families off guard.
Proposed changes in taxes after 2008 General election:
CAPITAL GAINS TAX
MCCAIN
15% (no change)
OBAMA
28%
CLINTON
24%
How does this affect you? If you sell your home and make a profit, you will
pay 28% of your gain on taxes. If you are heading toward retirement and
would like to down-size your home or move into a retirement community, 28%
of the money you make from your home will go to taxes. This proposal will
adversely affect the elderly who are counting on the income from their homes
as part of their retirement income.
DIVIDEND TAX
MCCAIN
15% (no change)
OBAMA
39.6%
CLINTON
39.6%
How will this affect you? If you have any money invested in stock market,
IRA, mutual funds, college funds, life insurance, retirement accounts, or
anything that pays or reinvests dividends, you will now be paying nearly 40%
of the money earned on taxes if Obama or Clinton become president. The
experts predict that 'Higher tax rates on dividends and capital gains would
crash the stock market yet do absolutely nothing to cut the deficit.'
INCOME TAX
MCCAIN
(no changes)
Single making 30K - tax $4,500
Single making 50K - tax $12,500
Single making 75K - tax $18,750
Married making 60K- tax $9,000
Married making 75K - tax $18,750
Married making 125K - tax $31,250
OBAMA
(reversion to pre-Bush tax cuts)
Single making 30K - tax $8,400
Single making 50K - tax $14,000
Single making 75K - tax $23,250
Married making 60K - tax $16,800
Married making 75K - tax $21,000
Married making 125K - tax $38,750
CLINTON
(reversion to pre-Bush tax cuts)
Single making 30K - tax $8,400
Single making 50K - tax $14,000
Single making 75K - tax $23,250
Married making 60K - tax $16,800
Married making 75K - tax $21,000
Married making 125K - tax $38,750
How does this affect you? No explanation needed. This is pretty straight
forward.
INHERITANCE TAX
MCCAIN
0%
(No change, Bush repealed this tax)
OBAMA
keep the inheritance tax
CLINTON
keep the inheritance tax
How does this affect you? Many families have lost businesses, farms and
ranches, and homes that have been in their families for generations because
they could not afford the inheritance tax. Those willing their assets to
loved ones will not only lose them to these taxes.
NEW TAXES BEING PROPOSED BY BOTH CLINTON AND OBAMA
* New government taxes proposed on homes that are more than 2400 square
feet
* New gasoline taxes (as if gas weren't high enough already)
* New taxes on natural resources consumption (heating gas, water,
electricity)
* New taxes on retirement accounts
and last but not least....
* New taxes to pay for socialized medicine so we can receive the same level
of medical care as other third-world countries!!!
Can you afford Clinton or Obama? I can't!!!!!
(in case you want more information on Obama's tax and spend agenda:
If Sen. Barack Obama (D-IL) Could Enact All Of His Campaign Proposals,
Taxpayers Would Be Faced With Financing $874.35 Billion In New Spending Over
One White House Term:
Updated February 14, 2008: Obama's National Infrastructure Reinvestment
Bank Will Cost $60 Billion Over Ten Years; Equal To $6 Billion A Year And
$24 Billion Over Four Years.
Obama: 'I'm proposing a National Infrastructure Reinvestment Bank that will
invest $60 billion over ten years.' (Sen. Barack Obama, Remarks On Economic
Policy, Janesville , WI, 2/13/08)
Obama's Health Care Plan Will Cost Up To $65 Billion A Year; Equal To $260
Billion Over Four Years. '[Obama] campaign officials estimated that the net
cost of the plan to the federal government would be $50 billion to $65
billion a year, when fully phased in, and said the revenues from rolling
back the tax cuts were enough to cover it.' (Robin Toner and Patrick Healy,
'Obama Calls For Wider And Less Costly Health Care Coverage,' The New York
Times, 5/30/07)
Obama's Energy Plan Will Cost $150 Billion Over 10 Years, Equal To $15
Billion Annually And $60 Billion Over Four Years. 'Obama will invest $150
billion over 10 years to advance the next generation of biofuels and fuel
infrastructure, accelerate the commercialization of plug-in hybrids, promote
development of commercial-scale renewable energy, invest in low-emissions
coal plants, and begin the transition to a new digital electricity grid.'
(Obama For America,
'The Blueprint For Change,' www.barackobama.com

 

[oscardeuce]

Obama supporters are saying Bush is shredding the Contitution in the War on Terror with FISA and other methods to gather intelligence. These same people support the left wing environmental agenda which throws the Constitution under the bus with Obama's Grandmother.
Obmama and the environmentalists want to limit the ownership and use of personal property. One of the greatest and Constitutionally protected rights we have is the right of personal property ownership. These limits are mostly made through the EPA, a regulatory agency. These regulations have the power of law, but without ownership or responsibility to the people. We the People have no vote or say as to what these people do in limiting our rights, they are not elected position so there is not any way to vote them into or out of office . No right of recall. No representation.
If I want to build a swimming pool in MY backyard, I should be able to. In times of war when we have had our liberties reduced, Alien and Sedition Acts, Japanese-American citizen interrment in WWII and FISA to some extent, we have been following the first power given to the gov't in the Constitution....Provide for the common defense.
There is no limitation on the use of my lands by a regulatory commision in the Constitution. That is a form of "taxation without representation'>

 

[oscardeuce]

Originally Posted by 1journeyman
http:///forum/post/2570893
So you do want to Socialize the Oil industry?
I know Hillary does:
"I will take those profits from the oil companies"

 

[oscardeuce]

Originally Posted by gonefishcrazy
http:///forum/post/2571356
Its ok, I know some people have to hide behind their true feelings and thoughts so nobody would know who they really are. Yes and we know most blacks are democratic. I'm black and I'm a democrat and I don't get any government assistance. I own a 4 bedroom 2 and a half bath with a pool and lake, 3500 square feet in florida. 95 percent of my neighbors are white. I have blue cross blue shield as insurance. I go on four vacations every year. What kind of democrat am I?
You are an American.
You are living the American Dream, now should Obama take half your house and give it to someone NOT willing to work as hard as to to gain success? Would it not be better the government keeps out of your pocket, and you give freely and willingly to your church and other civic organizations to help those who really cannot help themselves. Should we continue to encourage mediocraty in people by rewarding them with a govenment check for their vote and dependance? As a physician I see many people younger and healthier than me on assistance and not working. These people are of all races. I continue to work 12+ hour shifts and 180+ hour work months just to have 1/2 my money I have taken away by some tax. I support 3-4 families. This is not a race issue, it is an issue of dependance on the government rather than independance from it.

 

[reefraff]

Originally Posted by oscardeuce
http:///forum/post/2574911
I know Hillary does:
"I will take those profits from the oil companies"
If she is going to take the profits I wonder if she is also going to underwright the drilling of new wells. Even a simple drilling job will run around a million and that doesn't include all the associated equipment needed to bring the well into production. Some of those offshore wells run into the tens of millions.

 

[fats71]

My Exxon stock has treated me nicely these past few years. I think I started with 100 shares 20 years ago now I own over 1000 after splits... I am one who does nto complain much about gas prices as a matter of fact we are buying a hummer and my jeep sahara with the tires and wheels gets about 6 mph.
Anyway does not have no real point just wanted to say the prices of gas do not bother me I love to see those checks come in.

 

[fats71]

I am so glad I have never hadd a pastor who supported this guy.
Earlier Saturday, Hamas suicide bombers blew up two jeeps packed with hundreds of pounds of explosives at an Israeli crossing in Gaza, wounding 13 soldiers. Hamas threatened more attacks to break the blockade of Gaza, imposed by Israel and Egypt after the Hamas takeover of the area last year.
"Hamas tried to harm the joy of the holiday," said Maj. Gen. Yoav Gallant, the Israeli military commander on the Gaza-Israel border. He said he was spending the Seder with soldiers.
The whole story is here.
http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5g...4F4lQD90551A83

 

[fats71]

It looks like Suzy might have been fired... I know scrubbing bed pans was lucrative and a bit slow at times. Let this be a lesson to your bed pan scrubbers Dint slack off on the INTERNET when their are pans to be scrubbed you too could end up like Suzy Q. If they just paid the bed pan scrubber a little more maybe she would have had a home system and internet...

 

[reefraff]

Originally Posted by Fats71
http:///forum/post/2575101
My Exxon stock has treated me nicely these past few years. I think I started with 100 shares 20 years ago now I own over 1000 after splits... I am one who does nto complain much about gas prices as a matter of fact we are buying a hummer and my jeep sahara with the tires and wheels gets about 6 mph.
Anyway does not have no real point just wanted to say the prices of gas do not bother me I love to see those checks come in.
I am still ahead of the game from the profits I made buying and selling Exxon before and after Katrina. Making better than 15% in dividends on a couple of Canadian oil trusts too. If you can't beat em, join em

 

[rylan1]

Originally Posted by Fats71
http:///forum/post/2574467
Think about these facts before you vote.
This is something people should understand. Don't get blindsided. This is
really going to catch a lot of families off guard.
Where did you find this tax information? I am neither disputing or accepting it... just would like to compare and contrast myself.
In regards to spending at the end of your post ... We do need to invest in infrastructure. It will increase jobs and have a positive effect on the economy. Also, the war in Iraq costs more per month than this would for the entire year.
One other point, look at the campaigns and how they've been managed and their debt.
Obama - $650k debt... has spent way more than McCain... 3x's the amount or more.
McCain - 750k - As a % of debt to total receipts ... his % of debt ratio is much higher than Obama's
Clinton- $10 million in debt...

 

[rylan1]

Originally Posted by oscardeuce
http:///forum/post/2574908
Obama supporters are saying Bush is shredding the Contitution in the War on Terror with FISA and other methods to gather intelligence. These same people support the left wing environmental agenda which throws the Constitution under the bus with Obama's Grandmother.
Obmama and the environmentalists want to limit the ownership and use of personal property. One of the greatest and Constitutionally protected rights we have is the right of personal property ownership. These limits are mostly made through the EPA, a regulatory agency. These regulations have the power of law, but without ownership or responsibility to the people. We the People have no vote or say as to what these people do in limiting our rights, they are not elected position so there is not any way to vote them into or out of office . No right of recall. No representation.
If I want to build a swimming pool in MY backyard, I should be able to. In times of war when we have had our liberties reduced, Alien and Sedition Acts, Japanese-American citizen interrment in WWII and FISA to some extent, we have been following the first power given to the gov't in the Constitution....Provide for the common defense.
There is no limitation on the use of my lands by a regulatory commision in the Constitution. That is a form of "taxation without representation'>
Where are you getting this from?

 

[fats71]

Well at around 9k per 100 shares I'm doing alright since I got in
Date Requested April 18, 1980
Closing Price $3.54
Split Adjustment Factor 16:1
Open $.00
Day's High $3.59
Day's Low $3.53
Now
Date Requested April 18, 2008
Closing Price $94.00
Open $93.36
Day's High $94.45
Day's Low $92.93
I love to look at my Microsoft stock as well )
For the economy sucking I seem to be doing OK. I did lose a bundle in A certain phone company about 10 or 15 years back but hey I'm still way up
My Southwest airlines however might have been a bad investment after the lawsuit they got beat up on.
and yahoo... ffs i never knew their was gonna be a goggle.. my yahoo is OK but man i got blindsided with goggle I thought nah its a fad dang I'm dumb.

 

[stdreb27]

Originally Posted by Rylan1
http:///forum/post/2575349
One other point, look at the campaigns and how they've been managed and their debt.
Obama - $650k debt... has spent way more than McCain... 3x's the amount or more.
McCain - 750k - As a % of debt to total receipts ... his % of debt ratio is much higher than Obama's
Clinton- $10 million in debt...

Ignoring your argument regarding how we should alternately spend the iraq budget. Which is pretty much entirely based on deficite spending. Destroying any argument you might pose that your party is actually reponsible with money.
This little tidbit, might be some interesting food for thought.

 

[fats71]

Either way I think I lose with this one.. oops this is not a stock forum thread..
Yahoo! is reportedly getting closer to that controversial deal that would outsource its search advertising to Google.
Sources told the Wall Street Journal that the limited test of Google that Yahoo! set up went well.
The Google strategy, which could potentially be worth a billion dollars a year to Yahoo! but is sure to catch antitrust flak, is part of a tripartite deal that would have Yahoo! merge with AOL and AOL’s owner Time Warner take a 20% stake in the combined company for some cash to fend off Yahoo!’s unwanted acquisition by Microsoft.
Then the idea would be for Yahoo! to use Time Warner’s money to buy back a few billion dollars worth of stock for somewhere between $30 and $40 a share to pacify investors watching Microsoft and its money walk out the door, which could crush Yahoo’s stock.
Anyway, the Journal now says Google and Yahoo! are trying to figure out how to avoid being blocked by regulators and could limit their ties to specific kinds of search queries or regions.
Microsoft, meanwhile, has other ideas and has hired a Washington lobbyist, Bryan Cave Strategies, to ensure that its acquisition of Yahoo! passes the regulatory gauntlet.
Google has also hired lobbyists to try to fend off the deal, according to the AP.
The Journal allowed that Yahoo’s machinations are unlikely to derail Microsoft’s plans.
Yahoo! wants more than the $31 a share on offer but reportedly won’t name its price, but won’t negotiate with Microsoft until Microsoft raises its bid, the paper said.
Much may depend on Yahoo!’s first-quarter results, which are due Tuesday, April 22.
Poor and they play to Microsoft’s hand, strong and they don’t.
The other key date is the April 26 deadline that Microsoft gave Yahoo! two weeks ago to submit or be taken forcibly at a lower price than offered – a threat Yahoo! called “counterproductive.”

some say im wrong and yahoo is a buyer...
http://blog.trade-radar.com/2008/03/...th-buying.html

 

[rylan1]

Originally Posted by Fats71
http:///forum/post/2575113
I am so glad I have never hadd a pastor who supported this guy.
The whole story is here.
http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5g...4F4lQD90551A83
What guy? You are making blanket statements... I still have yet seen the post made on the "Pastor's Page".. maybe I missed it.. but again you are making too much out of it..The church doesn't have ties to Hamas. Obama also is the one who is able to stop this violence and to make gains in Middle Eastern issues and peace talks. Neither McCain or Clinton would be able to accomplish what Obama could.

 

[rylan1]

Originally Posted by stdreb27
http:///forum/post/2575372
Ignoring your argument regarding how we should alternately spend the iraq budget. Which is pretty much entirely based on deficite spending. Destroying any argument you might pose that your party is actually reponsible with money.
This little tidbit, might be some interesting food for thought.
What I am saying is that I rather spend on domestic issues, instead of a war that has no end, and is not making us safer... I am not ignoring the argument... but the poster commented directly on part of the budget (infrastructure) that would cost $6 Billion a year. My arguement is that this would be better for america... $6 Billion for infrastructure... compared to $108-$144 Billion a year for the operational aspect of the Iraq War. Not to mention the other billions of additional costs. You also argue for the continuation of the war... even though its based on deficite spending., so I hear your argument, but I don't acknowledge it because you can't have it both ways.

 

[1journeyman]

Originally Posted by Rylan1
http:///forum/post/2575403
What guy? You are making blanket statements... I still have yet seen the post made on the "Pastor's Page".. maybe I missed it.. but again you are making too much out of it..The church doesn't have ties to Hamas. Obama also is the one who is able to stop this violence and to make gains in Middle Eastern issues and peace talks. Neither McCain or Clinton would be able to accomplish what Obama could.
Let me post it for you for the third or fourth time then...
or you could spend 20 seconds to Google it.
http://tucc.org/upload/tuccbulletin_june10.pdf
Among the highlights: "I must tell you that Israel was the closest ally to the White Supremacists of South Africa. In fact, South Africa allowed Israel to test its nuclear weapons in the ocean off South Africa. The Israelis were given a blank check: they could test whenever they desired and did not even have to ask permission. Both worked on an ethnic bomb that kills Blacks and Arabs"

 

[1journeyman]

Originally Posted by Rylan1
http:///forum/post/2575403
What guy? You are making blanket statements... I still have yet seen the post made on the "Pastor's Page".. maybe I missed it.. but again you are making too much out of it..The church doesn't have ties to Hamas. Obama also is the one who is able to stop this violence and to make gains in Middle Eastern issues and peace talks. Neither McCain or Clinton would be able to accomplish what Obama could.
Obama will negotiate exactly the same way Carter is dealing with them... And, btw, that is NOT the proper way to deal with terrorists.

 

[1journeyman]

Originally Posted by Rylan1
http:///forum/post/2575420
What I am saying is that I rather spend on domestic issues, instead of a war that has no end, and is not making us safer... I am not ignoring the argument... but the poster commented directly on part of the budget (infrastructure) that would cost $6 Billion a year. My arguement is that this would be better for america... $6 Billion for infrastructure... compared to $108-$144 Billion a year for the operational aspect of the Iraq War. Not to mention the other billions of additional costs. You also argue for the continuation of the war... even though its based on deficite spending., so I hear your argument, but I don't acknowledge it because you can't have it both ways.
We're at War. Whether we fight there or here we're still going to be fighting so you can't act like we can cut military spending (like Obama is planning on doing) and save any money. One way or the other we're still going to be fighting.
We have not been attacked on our Homeland. Sorry, no matter how many times you and Oboma say it, that does make us safer.