Obama supporters. I have one question

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Originally Posted by Rylan1
http:///forum/post/2477908
I don't know all his positions and neither do you... I do not attend his church, however I see nothing wrong with a "black value system" and reinvesting in your community.
Once again you've proven my point. You don;t know all the positions of Wright, his hate message and racist views?
Obama states Wright is someone he confides in,looks up to, etc. He is a very important person in the life of Obama...his words. The title of his book Audacity of Hope comes directly from Wright.
If you do not know...then you obviously do not know what your candidate supports regarding racism and hate. He still is a member of the "church", so he still is in support of the hate message and the honoring of a known hater and racist.
Claiming ignorance on a subject matter does not give the person within the subject a pass on supporting racism and racist views.
I've done my homework...have you? It appears not as you admit you do not know all the positions. Perhaps they make you feel uncomfortable so you'd rather ignore them?
 
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Originally Posted by reefraff
http:///forum/post/2487668
You are my hero scuba

Can you post a list of the links to all this info? It really helps when it comes to spreading the word. I am thinking about a website. I am by no means rich but I can afford an attorney to respond to the Obama campaigns strong arm tactics should it come to that. If someone would have told me a year ago that I would go to war to get McCain elected

WIll do.....I'm not thrilled with McCain either but I'm tired of the pass Mr Hope and Change is getting .
His admitted membership to a church filled with hatred and support of Wright, a known racist hater is enough to bury his run at the presidency.
NO ONE should be considered a serious candidate if they have supported known haters and racists...and agree with hateful speech and messages.
He also is misleading folks given his corrupt past and the individuals he has associated with.
Obama, being part black, should be denouncing his racist minister and running out of that "church". The "pastor" actually uses profanity in his sermons....what a person to look up to.
Obama is nothing more than a liar, fake and fraud...isn;t that the same mantra he and his FAR left supporters chant regarding Bush?
 
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Originally Posted by reefraff
http:///forum/post/2487668
You are my hero scuba

Can you post a list of the links to all this info? It really helps when it comes to spreading the word. I am thinking about a website. I am by no means rich but I can afford an attorney to respond to the Obama campaigns strong arm tactics should it come to that. If someone would have told me a year ago that I would go to war to get McCain elected

Just do a cut and paste from the articles sited in google and it will lead you to the links.
Rest assured...the honeymoon period between Obama and the media will be ending soon. Over the next several weeks he'll probably have to answer some tough questions.
Hillary and Obama can touch hands from where they stand on many key positions...that will change dramtically in the general for Obama and he''ll have to defend many of his "positions" and "uncomfortable" elements of his past and present. He'll not get by on the Change song and Tap Dance show much longer.
 
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"Obama is nothing more than a liar, fake and fraud...isn;t that the same mantra he and his FAR left supporters chant regarding Bush?"
That's one of Quinn's Laws ( attn #2):
Quinn's laws
Quinn has formulated a group of laws regarding the nature of liberalism and the behavior of its proponents. These are:
1. Liberalism always generates the exact opposite of its stated intent. Similarly, government bureaucracies never solve problems, they manage them and exacerbate the ones they created by interfering with market forces and processes.
2. If you want to know what liberals are up to, pay attention to what they accuse the conservatives of.
3. The amount of wealth in any given area is inversely proportional to the amount of Democrats running it.
4. Liberalism only succeeds when the public is scared into believing that it will not survive without it.
5. When liberalism conflicts with reality, reality must give way.
Facts are the enemy of liberalism.
6. Things are different when you are a Democrat [regarding his allegations of the media's ignorance towards Democratic scandals and misconduct].
7. A Liberal is any person for whom two thousand years of human experience and history means nothing now that they are here.
8. To liberals, intentions are more significant than the outcomes they achieve.
Liberals never think what they are doing is wrong, they only think they haven't done enough of it yet or it is underfunded.
9. "Profiling" is what groups call common sense when they have a problem they don't want to talk about.
10. Democrats and liberals do not engage in debate, they try to silence you. If they engaged in debate, they'd lose.
11. Democrats are political opportunists.
12. Liberalism is based on unproven and/or disproven theory.
13. Liberals view the world the way they think it should be, not the way it is.
Rylan,
I'm still waiting, are Clinton and Obama socialists?
Is socialism in direct contradiction to the Constitution?
 
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Originally Posted by Rylan1
http:///forum/post/2477908
I don't know all his positions and neither do you...
So, are you now professing to have some mystical power knowing how much time I've logged researching the racist hater Wright and his church? I've posted many of Wright quotes and positions here. One, in particular I left out because of the content...pure garbage. Some of his messages I am unable to post because they contian profanity.
It's pretty sad that a pastor uses profanity to convey his positions...which precludes the posting of same here due to content.
By your OWN admission....you do not know ALL the positions...but you somehow know how much time I've spent investigatng Wright?
 
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Yet more change you can beleive in......
http://www.boston.com/news/nation/ar...ith_lobbyists/
By Scott Helman, Globe Staff | September 23, 2007
When Barack Obama and fellow state lawmakers in Illinois tried to expand healthcare coverage in 2003 with the "Health Care Justice Act," they drew fierce opposition from the insurance industry, which saw it as a back-handed attempt to impose a government-run system.
insurers and their lobbyists found a sympathetic ear in Obama, who amended the bill more to their liking partly because of concerns they raised with him and his aides, according to lobbyists, Senate staff, and Obama's remarks on the Senate floor.
The wrangling over the healthcare measure, which narrowly passed and became law in 2004, illustrates how Obama, during his eight years in the Illinois Senate, was able to shepherd major legislation by negotiating competing interests in Springfield, the state capital. But it also shows how Obama's own experience in lawmaking involved dealings with the kinds of lobbyists and special interests he now demonizes on the campaign trail.
 
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More form Mr Change......I feel faint...please bring me some juice.....
By Scott Helman, Globe Staff | August 9, 2007
Using campaign appearances, e-mails to supporters, and Iowa TV ads, Illinois Senator Barack Obama has repeatedly reminded voters that his presidential campaign does not accept contributions from lobbyists or political action committees, casting his decision as a noble departure from the ways of Washington.
Breaking News Alerts He hit the theme hard again in Tuesday's Democratic debate in Chicago as he sought to capitalize on rival Hillary Clinton's remark last weekend that taking lobbyists' cash is acceptable because they "represent real Americans."
"The people in this stadium need to know who we're going to fight for," Obama said at Soldier Field. "The reason that I'm running for president is because of you, not because of folks who are writing big checks, and that's a clear message that has to be sent, I think, by every candidate."
But behind Obama's campaign rhetoric about taking on special interests lies a more complicated truth. A Globe review of Obama's campaign finance records shows that he collected hundreds of thousands of dollars from lobbyists and PACs as a state legislator in Illinois, a US senator, and a presidential aspirant.
In Obama's eight years in the Illinois Senate, from 1996 to 2004, almost two-thirds of the money he raised for his campaigns -- $296,000 of $461,000 -- came from PACs, corporate contributions, or unions, according to Illinois Board of Elections records. He tapped financial services firms, real estate developers, healthcare providers, oil companies, and many other corporate interests, the records show.
Obama's US Senate campaign committee, starting with his successful run in 2004, has collected $128,000 from lobbyists and $1.3 million from PACs, according to the Center for Responsive Politics, a nonprofit organization that tracks money in politics. His $1.3 million from PACs represents 8 percent of what he has raised overall. Clinton's Senate committee, by comparison, has raised $3 million from PACs, 4 percent of her total amount raised, the group said.
In addition, Obama's own federal PAC, Hopefund, took in $115,000 from 56 PACs in the 2005-2006 election cycle out of $4.4 million the PAC raised, according to CQ MoneyLine, which collects Federal Election Commission data. Obama then used those PAC contributions -- including thousands from defense contractors, law firms, and the securities and insurance industries -- to build support for his presidential run by making donations to Democratic Party organizations and candidates around the country.
http://www.boston.com/news/nation/ar...d_obamas_rise/
 
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From the Black Agenda Report The Journal of African American Political THought and Action
http://www.blackagendareport.com/ind...ask=view&id=40
Barack Obama: The Mania and the Mirage
Tuesday, 16 January 2007
by BAR Executive Editor Glen Ford
"Mirage” is the best metaphor for Barack Obama. He shimmers on the horizon, a promise of…something. But as one draws closer, Obama dissipates into nothingness – which is his purpose.
Like a mirage, Obama floats as an illusion in the political intersections between hot and cool air. It is the place he seeks: the deliberately chosen – yet ever-shifting – layer between other forces that are themselves constantly moving across the landscape. As the Illinois Senator this weekend announced his intention to create a presidential “exploratory committee,” corporate pundits pegged him as nestled in the Democratic niche between Hillary Clinton, to his right – based her relatively “hot” air on Iraq – and the much cooler, if not frigid, temperatures at the base of the party. That’s Obama’s intermediary comfort zone – a place of ever-interpretable impressions.
“Obama is determined to say next to nothing substantive at all.”
Obama claims, "I didn't expect to find myself in this position a year ago.” Amazing. I suppose that’s why he has been so careful to navigate to the right of his fellow Democratic senator from Illinois, ---- Durbin; why he spent 2005 and 2006 mouthing “mush” on the Iraq war, and still continues to do so; why he told me point-blank, three weeks before being sworn in as U.S. senator, that he would not push for universal health care – the very issue that had made him a darling of progressives as a state senator, but which had burned Hillary Clinton when she was First Lady. Obama runs from even the flicker of a flame.
"The decisions that have been made in the past six years have put our country in a precarious place," he said. What the hell does that mean? Exactly what it is supposed to: next to nothing. By February 10, Obama will have crafted a catch-phrase that captures some vague mood of distress among the electorate. But he needs the time to measure the barometer, temperature and wind flow, and situate himself accordingly – the perfect mirage.
Barack Obama is a lawyer by training, but could easily have made a career on Madison Avenue, where “impressions” are the holy grail. The most effective commercials are those that provoke the consumer to provide her own impressions of the product, through word and image association. Obama’s special genius is to elicit self-generated positive impressions from a wide range of consumers/observers – most dramatically, from consumers across the color line – while saying nothing of substance.
 
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Originally Posted by Rylan1
http:///forum/post/2484565
Playboy, July 1999. -- "Ms. McCain admitted stealing Percocet and Vicodin from the American Voluntary Medical Team, an organization that aids Third World countries. Percocet and Vicodin are schedule 2 drugs, in the same legal category as opium. Each pill theft carries a penalty of one year in prison and a monetary fine." However, McCain did not face prosecution. She was allowed to enter a pretrial diversion program and escaped with no blemish to her record. Source: James Bovard, Prison Sentences of the Politically Connected.
You seriously can't be using Playboy as a valid source of political information

That would be like using Rolling Stone as a source for political news.
 
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Originally Posted by SigmaChris
http:///forum/post/2486554
Alright, Buffett is a bad example I just looked it up and his 2006 salary was only $100,000. So yes most of his taxable income is at the Capital Gains rate of 15%.
Maybe this would be a good new thread...current tax system vs flat rate tax system vs national sales tax.
More important that refuting this poor example. Is the concept of this deceptive practice used by the drive by media. Remember most media, if not all media has an agenda. Ask a journalism student why they want to be a reporter you'll get a "I want to change the world" answer. How can you do that and be "objective" you can't. That is why you see the NY times endorsing McCain a month ago, then last week releasing their "bomb" on McCain. You'll see scandals committed by Democrats or other liberal organizations swept under the rug. (have you ever heard of William Jefferson?) You'll see stuff totally fabricated. Vallery Plaim is a perfect example. You'll see stuff recycled over and over such as Bush's National Guard record. So be careful what you hear, because chances are it isn't true.
 
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Originally Posted by ScubaDoo
http:///forum/post/2487141
Obama supports and campaigned for this guy.....and also contrbuted $
Bernie Sanders said in a telephone interview, "I will be running as an independent. But if you're asking my philosophy, yes, I am a Democratic Socialist."
Sanders explains that he considers himself a socialist rather than a liberal because, "I approach politics primarily through economic perspectives. My major concern right now is that we have the most unfair distribution of wealth and income of any major country on earth (and an) equally unfair distribution of political power. I want to see that change. I want to see a more egalitarian society."
See the video for yourself
http://youtube.com/watch?v=tIlIpOkRh2A
Just for your information, his statement "we have the most unfair distribution of wealth and income of any major country on earth"
is flatly untrue, you can look at the GINI index and this isn't true.
 
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your argument that Obama voted present as part of a "democratic strategy" is a problem. After all this guy seems to be a team player not a prophet of change.
 
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By Tom Purcell
“Let me get this straight. You’ve developed a foolproof scheme to dramatically reduce your taxes.”
“You got it. I’ve been working to perfect it for a long time, but, boy, does it work.”
“Get to it then.”
“In the old days, I dreamed of getting rich. I started my own business and worked my tail off. It was then I learned I had silent partners.”
“Silent partners?”
“Yes, the local, state and federal governments. They considered every dollar of profit a dollar of taxable income. When I realized how much my taxes were, I nearly ate my checkbook.”
“But of course. When you were an employee, many taxes were hidden from you. When you become self-employed, all those taxes became painfully visible.”
“Precisely. My employer had paid half my Social Security and Medicare taxes. My employer paid my workers’ compensation, health insurance and other benefits. I had no idea that the total cost of employing me was roughly 30 percent more than my salary.”
“At least 30 percent.”
“Now I know that Social Security and Medicare eat up 15.3 percent of my income. Add in federal, state and local taxes and my total rate is shocking. The income I earn beyond $31,000 is taxed at 44.67 percent. Income beyond $75,000 is taxed at 47.67 percent.”
“Serves you right for being ‘rich.’”
“Good one. I never understood why I was punished for making more. If I generated $100,000 in income, for instance, the taxes I’d pay on the first $50,000 would be roughly half as much as on the second $50,000. The higher my income, the higher the percentage taken by my –”
“Silent partners? That’s the breaks in a progressive system.”
“But why not encourage people to earn more? Why not a flat tax that rewards hard work? Then people work harder, earn more and pump more back into the economy. The economy booms and the government gets higher receipts on lower tax rates. It’s not rocket science.”
“You’re speaking common sense, but when did common sense ever have anything to do with America’s tax code?”
“Well, I got tired of working twice as hard to keep half as much. So I stopped working hard altogether. I started working part time. My revenue fell to half what it normally was.”
“Half! That’s no good.”
“But it was great! I got an old car and a cheaper place to live. I spent more time at the park. I read more books at the library. Life was better than ever. And then I got an unexpected gift from my silent partners!”
“A gift!”
“Yes, a tax refund, the first I’d gotten in years. Because my income was down to half, my tax burden dropped significantly. It was then that I stumbled into my tax-reduction scheme.”
“Go on.”
“According to The New York Times, the top 20 percent of income earners paid 67.1 percent of all federal taxes. But families in the bottom 40 percent paid no federal income tax — yet they still received money back from the government.”
“I’m listening.”
“That’s when it hit me. I’d worked so hard for so many years. I spent thousands on CPAs, trying to minimize my taxes to a reasonable amount. But the key to low taxes was right under my nose all along: just earn less!”
“Very clever.”
“I know it’s selfish of me to earn less. I know it’s bad for the economy and the government. But that is what my silent partners have encouraged me to do. Democrats in Congress will surely raise taxes — they’ll encourage me to work even less!”
“I hate to admit it, but your ideas are oddly sensible. Where to from here?”
“I’m still perfecting my scheme, but next year I have big plans. My goal is to earn nothing!”
“Nothing?”
“We all have our dreams.”
Tom Purcell is a humor columnist nationally syndicated exclusively by Cagle Cartoons.
 
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Originally Posted by ScubaDoo
http:///forum/post/2483622
Obamas book....his words....Audacity of Hope (page 130), Obama explained that even as a legislator in the minority, "You must vote yes or no on whatever bill comes up, with the knowledge that it's unlikely to be a compromise that either you or your supporters consider fair and or just."
Rylan, why do you continue to support the present vote when Obama himself states in his book you MUST vote yes or no.
Once again, this does not sound like change to me...but someone misleading folks. Isn't that the same mantra the far left chants regarding Bush?
How can someone state this in a book...and do the opposite regarding his position 130 times?
Not once or twice...but 130?
 
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When given the chance to support our troops...Mr CHange did nothing.......and additional proof he is far left supporting the moveon.orgers hate america agenda.....shameful
Obama's Record: A True Fairy Tale
February 13, 2008 - 12:00am
By Mike Wacker
While Obama may oppose the war, he refuses to let his Republicans equate not supporting the war with not supporting the troops. He raises a valid point, but unfortunately his actions do not line up with his rhetoric. When MoveOn.org labeled Gen. Petraeus, a decorated military hero, as a traitor, Obama had his chance. He could have stood up, boldly proclaiming that while he opposes the war, he also opposes those who attack the honorable leader of our troops. Instead, he kept quiet again, refusing to vote on a resolution supporting Petraeus and condemning MoveOn.org. Obama would rather avoid ruffling some feathers at MoveOn.org than stand up for Petraeus, and his efforts seem to have worked now that MoveOn.org has endorsed him. But in earning this endorsement, Obama has once again shown his inability to stand up and lead.
http://cornellsun.com/node/27624
 
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Originally Posted by stdreb27
http:///forum/post/2488079
your argument that Obama voted present as part of a "democratic strategy" is a problem. After all this guy seems to be a team player not a prophet of change.
His position is you MUST vote yes or no as I have quoted from his book . How many other issues does he say one thing but does another? He violated his own stated position 130 times. He wrote the book KNOWING he had a third option ...but he still stated yes or no.
Are you beginning to see a pattern with Obama?
 
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Originally Posted by stdreb27
http:///forum/post/2488035
You seriously can't be using Playboy as a valid source of political information

That would be like using Rolling Stone as a source for political news.
It does not matter what Rylan sites and from where as most of us have gone on record claiming there are things we do not like about McCain.
Some have embraced Obama 100%...he has done no wrong and is a new politician and Mr Change and Hope and Hope and Change and it just makes you faint.. Despite numerous facts in the record to indicate otherwise.....Obama has done no wrong.
I predict Mr Change will have some rocky roads ahead in the near future. There is a chance now with the crack/--- scandal...and the Rezko trial starting tomorrow...that the Obama wave could turn.
After given the matter some thought...I'm not so sure he is a lock as the timing of all this is interesting.
I agree with Journey....the biggest mudslingers in the business....the Clintons are behaving themselves and smiling...somethings up and I think Journey nailed it.
We'll just have to see what happens.
 
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Originally Posted by stdreb27
http:///forum/post/2488067
Just for your information, his statement "we have the most unfair distribution of wealth and income of any major country on earth"
is flatly untrue, you can look at the GINI index and this isn't true.
Facts just get in the way on the road to fantasy land while dancing to the Mr Hope and Change tune.
But the mantra needs to be said by the socilaist that Obama supports 100%. This is the 'theory" Obama would bring to the White House regarding the economy. He's FAR LEFT...and that's where he'll wake up and stand each morning should he be elected president.
All the America haters over at moveon.org will now love America...and the damage caused in order to bring in this group from the FAR LEFT and make them "happy" regarding America will be staggering. Obama has courted their support.....so where do you think he stands? RIght with them...or I should say FAR LEFT with them.
 
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