Obama supporters. I have one question

oscardeuce

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Today's Obama ad running on Ohio TV during the NASCAR race.
"End the war."
NOT "Win the war"
Since when did defeating thos who attack us become so bad?
 

stdreb27

Active Member
Originally Posted by oscardeuce
http:///forum/post/2488606
Today's Obama ad running on Ohio TV during the NASCAR race.
"End the war."
NOT "Win the war"
Since when did defeating thos who attack us become so bad?
I noticed that, you can call and get Obama's (socialist) economic plan. I might have to do that.
 

stdreb27

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LORAIN, Ohio (AP) - Barack Obama accused Democratic presidential rival Hillary Rodham Clinton on Sunday of trying to walk away from a long record of support for NAFTA, the free trade agreement that he said has cost 50,000 jobs in Ohio, site of next week's primary.
At the same time, he said attempts to repeal the trade deal "would probably result in more job losses than job gains in the United States."
One day after Clinton angrily accused him of distorting her record on the North American Free Trade Agreement in mass mailings, the Illinois senator was eager to rekindle the long-distance debate, using passages from the former first lady's book as well as her own words.
"Ten years after NAFTA passed, Senator Clinton said it was good for America," Obama said. "Well, I don't think NAFTA has been good for America—and I never have."
"The fact is, she was saying great things about NAFTA until she started running for president," Obama told an audience at a factory that makes wall board, located in a working class community west of Cleveland.
"A couple years after it passed, she said NAFTA was a 'free and fair trade agreement' and that it was 'proving its worth.' And in 2004, she said, "I think, on balance, NAFTA has been good for New York and America," he said.
A spokesman for Clinton, Phil Singer, said the former first lady was critical of NAFTA long before she ran for president. He cited remarks from March 2000 in which she said, "What happened to NAFTA I think was we inherited an agreement that we didn't get everything we should have got out of it in my opinion. I think the NAFTA agreement was flawed."
Singer also said that in 2004 in Illinois, Obama spoke positively of the trade agreement, saying the United States had "benefited enormously" from exports under NAFTA.
 

scubadoo

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Originally Posted by oscardeuce
http:///forum/post/2488606
Today's Obama ad running on Ohio TV during the NASCAR race.
"End the war."
NOT "Win the war"
Since when did defeating thos who attack us become so bad?
Moveon.org states the war is bad...so Obama must follow his supporters wishes. He can't make George Soros and the rest of the we hate America gang mad.
 

scubadoo

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Originally Posted by stdreb27
http:///forum/post/2488703
LORAIN, Ohio (AP) - Barack Obama accused Democratic presidential rival Hillary Rodham Clinton on Sunday of trying to walk away from a long record of support for NAFTA, the free trade agreement that he said has cost 50,000 jobs in Ohio, site of next week's primary.
At the same time, he said attempts to repeal the trade deal "would probably result in more job losses than job gains in the United States."
One day after Clinton angrily accused him of distorting her record on the North American Free Trade Agreement in mass mailings, the Illinois senator was eager to rekindle the long-distance debate, using passages from the former first lady's book as well as her own words.
"Ten years after NAFTA passed, Senator Clinton said it was good for America," Obama said. "Well, I don't think NAFTA has been good for America—and I never have."
"The fact is, she was saying great things about NAFTA until she started running for president," Obama told an audience at a factory that makes wall board, located in a working class community west of Cleveland.
"A couple years after it passed, she said NAFTA was a 'free and fair trade agreement' and that it was 'proving its worth.' And in 2004, she said, "I think, on balance, NAFTA has been good for New York and America," he said.
A spokesman for Clinton, Phil Singer, said the former first lady was critical of NAFTA long before she ran for president. He cited remarks from March 2000 in which she said, "What happened to NAFTA I think was we inherited an agreement that we didn't get everything we should have got out of it in my opinion. I think the NAFTA agreement was flawed."
Singer also said that in 2004 in Illinois, Obama spoke positively of the trade agreement, saying the United States had "benefited enormously" from exports under NAFTA.
From the Democratic Daily

Obama and NAFTA
by Pamela Leavey
February 23rd, 2008 @ 7:06 pm
Why is Barack Obama attacking Hillary Clinton on NAFTA when his voting record on trade since he’s been in the Senate is essentially identical to Clinton’s voting record on trade?
Obama went on record that he was supporting NAFTA expansion months ago. In fact, as David Sirota reported at the time, Obama was “the first presidential candidate to officially declare his/her support for the NAFTA expansion moving through the Congress.” Sirota wrote:
His announcement is not necessarily surprising, considering he was the keynote speaker at the launch of the Hamilton Project — a Wall Street front group working to drive a wedge between Democrats and organized labor on globalization issues. His announcement comes just days after a Wall Street Journal poll found strong bipartisan opposition to lobbyist-written NAFTA-style trade policies.
Barack Obama always seems to want to have his cake and eat it too. As I have noted here many times in the past, Obama claims he was against the war in Iraq, but he voted to fund it and he voted against Kerry Feingold. Now he’s attacking Hillary Clinton for NAFTA and his voting record is identical to hers.
Obama’s NAFTA mailer “falsely claims that Hillary said NAFTA was a “boon” to the economy,” but Hillary Clinton actually never said that it was. This is not the first time Obama has used a NAFTA mailer against Clinton. In both mailers the Obama camp based their claim on a quote from a 2006 Newsday article that characterized Clinton’s views “without any substantiation.” In fact, Newsday has recently said that “the Obama campaign’s use of their article was “misleading,”" and Politico “called the Obama campaign’s use of the quote “bogus.“”
Here we see once again that contrary to his claims, Barack Obama is running a dirty campaign, which Clinton pointed out today. My saying this here will no doubt rear the hackles of Obama supporters, but so be it. Point blank in my opinion, Barack Obama is a hypocrite on NAFTA, Iraq, health care and most of all on his claims to be above the fray.
 

1journeyman

Active Member
Originally Posted by oscardeuce
http:///forum/post/2488606
Today's Obama ad running on Ohio TV during the NASCAR race.
"End the war."
NOT "Win the war"
Since when did defeating thos who attack us become so bad?
He's running the same freaking commercial here in Texas. A lot...
"We want to end this war"...
Umm, duh, no kidding? Hey dopey; We all want to end this war... but like in all wars there needs to be a victory.
I still want an Obama supporter to explain to me why Obama would leave Iraq, where we know we are fighting Al Qaeda, to potentially send troops into Pakistan to look for Al Qaeda? That just boggles my mind...
 

stdreb27

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Originally Posted by 1journeyman
http:///forum/post/2489047
He's running the same freaking commercial here in Texas. A lot...
"We want to end this war"...
Umm, duh, no kidding? Hey dopey; We all want to end this war... but like in all wars there needs to be a victory.
I still want an Obama supporter to explain to me why Obama would leave Iraq, where we know we are fighting Al Qaeda, to potentially send troops into Pakistan to look for Al Qaeda? That just boggles my mind...
No, joke if I have to see another political commercial,
I'm going to cry.
 

oscardeuce

Active Member
The best art of the Obama ad was at the end
"Call 1800-xxx-xxxx for early voting information"
Like any good Chicago democrat
Vote early, vote often!
I'd love to hear even Obama say this:
"My fellow Americans, after 7 years of war, fought valiently on the battlefield against a determined enemy, we have emerged victorious. The forces of peace have prevailed against those of terror. Those who died defeating the enemy of the United States may rest in peace knowing their sacrifice, and the sacrifice of their families were not in vain."
 

fats71

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It saddens me to be here at A ARMY POST WHERE MY wife works withh a lot of thhe warriors coming home from Iraq. These are just kids and it hurts but they belive in what they are fighting for as do I. If we just pull out all the lives lost are ffor nothing and it will place a huge deep pain into these young warriors till the end of their time.
The are courages men and women who are defending our country from threats abroad they see it day in and day out while we sit in our lazy boy and complain about the weather is too hot or too cold. We run to wal- mart and get irritated by the line we have to wait in. We take so much for granted and if obama and or hiliary come into office it s going to make everything our brave men and women have fought and died for mean nothing..
Sorry babbling end of posts from me here...
 

triga22

Active Member
Originally Posted by Fats71
http:///forum/post/2489733
If we just pull out all the lives lost are ffor nothing...
I do belive with you on your post and I know what your getting at. But they didnt die for "nothing" they died fighting for our freedoms, our rights, and our safety. I am for the war and I know what your getting at. We pull out and them everything goes crazy the terrorists come back and take over and everything is lost.
God bless the troops!
 

rylan1

Active Member
Originally Posted by 1journeyman
http:///forum/post/2489047
He's running the same freaking commercial here in Texas. A lot...
"We want to end this war"...
Umm, duh, no kidding? Hey dopey; We all want to end this war... but like in all wars there needs to be a victory.
I still want an Obama supporter to explain to me why Obama would leave Iraq, where we know we are fighting Al Qaeda, to potentially send troops into Pakistan to look for Al Qaeda? That just boggles my mind...
al Qaeda is stronger now than they were at 911... ... So what is this war about? I think the Bush Admin didn't have a clear agenda for this war...Is it about WMD's or is it about terrorism? The last question what has this war accomplished? We found that Iraq wasn't an imminent threat... and that despite our efforts and valor.... al Qaeda is stonger...
 

rylan1

Active Member
Originally Posted by stdreb27
http:///forum/post/2488059
More important that refuting this poor example. Is the concept of this deceptive practice used by the drive by media. Remember most media, if not all media has an agenda. Ask a journalism student why they want to be a reporter you'll get a "I want to change the world" answer. How can you do that and be "objective" you can't. That is why you see the NY times endorsing McCain a month ago, then last week releasing their "bomb" on McCain. You'll see scandals committed by Democrats or other liberal organizations swept under the rug. (have you ever heard of William Jefferson?) You'll see stuff totally fabricated. Vallery Plaim is a perfect example. You'll see stuff recycled over and over such as Bush's National Guard record. So be careful what you hear, because chances are it isn't true.
Doesn't this work both ways?
 

fishycpa

Member
Originally Posted by Rylan1
http:///forum/post/2489805
al Qaeda is stronger now than they were at 911... ... So what is this war about? I think the Bush Admin didn't have a clear agenda for this war...Is it about WMD's or is it about terrorism? The last question what has this war accomplished? We found that Iraq wasn't an imminent threat... and that despite our efforts and valor.... al Qaeda is stonger...
You might want to get some support for that, you can't just make statements w/o backing it up. You shouldn't just regurgitate what you hear, you have to do some research...
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/2813523.stm
http://abcnews.go.com/International/...ory?id=4268908
http://www.usatoday.com/news/washing...errorism_x.htm
http://www.csmonitor.com/2008/0221/p09s02-coop.html
http://www.news24.com/News24/World/N...995399,00.html
What has the war accomplished...hmmm...let me think:
More than 230,000 Iraqis now provide security for their fellow citizens.
First time in 13 years, an ambassador to the US was appointed to restore diplomatic relations.
240 hospitals and most of Iraq’s 1200 clinics have reopened. 70 private hospitals are operating.
800 tons of high protein biscuits have been delivered to 15 Governorates for malnourished children and pregnant/nursing mothers.
1.09 million humanitarian daily rations have been distributed to date.
22 million children and 700,000 women have been inoculated against diseases since the war; 90 percent of all Iraqi children now receive routine vaccinations.
Pharmaceuticals distribution improved from 0 to 12,000 tons today, more than $210 million approved for the Iraqi Ministry of Heath for pharmaceutical supplies and equipment, basic health care services, medical equipment and power generators for hospital
Nearly all schools are open and 5.1 million students are attending class
Iraqis use a single, unified currency for the first time in 15 years; 4.6 trillion new Iraqi dinars in circulation
Iraq Stock Exchange will open in April; Iraq Central Bank is fully independent and has been opened since Sept 03
USAID will spend more than $250 million infrastructure repair funds on power rehabilitation and an additional $75 million allocated to power reconstruction
Water storage in most Iraqi reservoirs is approaching historic averages
~all taken from http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,114684,00.html in 2004...how much more since then!!!
 

rylan1

Active Member
Originally Posted by fishyCPA
http:///forum/post/2489827
You might want to get some support for that, you can't just make statements w/o backing it up. You shouldn't just regurgitate what you hear, you have to do some research...
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/2813523.stm
http://abcnews.go.com/International/...ory?id=4268908
http://www.usatoday.com/news/washing...errorism_x.htm
http://www.csmonitor.com/2008/0221/p09s02-coop.html
http://www.news24.com/News24/World/N...995399,00.html
What has the war accomplished...hmmm...let me think:
More than 230,000 Iraqis now provide security for their fellow citizens.
First time in 13 years, an ambassador to the US was appointed to restore diplomatic relations.
240 hospitals and most of Iraq’s 1200 clinics have reopened. 70 private hospitals are operating.
800 tons of high protein biscuits have been delivered to 15 Governorates for malnourished children and pregnant/nursing mothers.
1.09 million humanitarian daily rations have been distributed to date.
22 million children and 700,000 women have been inoculated against diseases since the war; 90 percent of all Iraqi children now receive routine vaccinations.
Pharmaceuticals distribution improved from 0 to 12,000 tons today, more than $210 million approved for the Iraqi Ministry of Heath for pharmaceutical supplies and equipment, basic health care services, medical equipment and power generators for hospital
Nearly all schools are open and 5.1 million students are attending class
Iraqis use a single, unified currency for the first time in 15 years; 4.6 trillion new Iraqi dinars in circulation
Iraq Stock Exchange will open in April; Iraq Central Bank is fully independent and has been opened since Sept 03
USAID will spend more than $250 million infrastructure repair funds on power rehabilitation and an additional $75 million allocated to power reconstruction
Water storage in most Iraqi reservoirs is approaching historic averages
~all taken from http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,114684,00.html in 2004...how much more since then!!!
Thats all fine... but what are we doing? Are we nation building? or is this a war on terror ... or is this a war to uncover and destroy WMD's?
I saw Obama, on Sat... he spoke for about an hour and he addressed many different things... I think the snipets you see on tv only highlights his speeches, but they have a lot of substance about his plans for the economy, healthcare, Iraq, infrastructure, and so on.
 

fishycpa

Member
Originally Posted by Rylan1
http:///forum/post/2489835
Thats all fine... but what are we doing? Are we nation building? or is this a war on terror ... or is this a war to uncover and destroy WMD's?
Part 1 - You said, "al Qaeda is stronger now than they were at 911" - Incorrect
Part 2 - you asked, "The last question what has this war accomplished" - answered with OLD DATA, so much more has been accomplished since then.
That was the purpose of my post.
 

oscardeuce

Active Member
Rylan,
Since you saw and heard Obama, you ready to call him a socialist yet?
Want to win the war yet, or would you also complain that we declared war on Gemany when Japan attacked us ?
I seem to remeber we did pretty well nation building after WWII. Japan and West Germany came out stronger for our "intervention" than they would if we would have pulled out after defeating them.
 

stdreb27

Active Member
Originally Posted by Rylan1
http:///forum/post/2489822
Doesn't this work both ways?
not really, when you consider, ABC, CBS, NBC, CNN, MSNBC, Reuters, and the Associated Press being far left libs. And Fox being center right with professing conservatives doing their evening stuff.
At least fox's conservatives doing go out and say I'm an objective observer.
So no it doesn't work both ways.
 

stdreb27

Active Member
Originally Posted by Rylan1
http:///forum/post/2489835
Thats all fine... but what are we doing? Are we nation building? or is this a war on terror ... or is this a war to uncover and destroy WMD's?
I saw Obama, on Sat... he spoke for about an hour and he addressed many different things... I think the snipets you see on tv only highlights his speeches, but they have a lot of substance about his plans for the economy, healthcare, Iraq, infrastructure, and so on.
And you should be scared, think about what the federal government would have to do to do some of the stuff he proposes. Think about the expansion in the reach and power of government. The government by the people will now be the government to control the people. If he does what he wants he really will ruin the economy.
 

ozmar

Member
Originally Posted by oscardeuce
http:///forum/post/2487775
"Obama is nothing more than a liar, fake and fraud...isn;t that the same mantra he and his FAR left supporters chant regarding Bush?"
That's one of Quinn's Laws ( attn #2):
Quinn's laws
Quinn has formulated a group of laws regarding the nature of liberalism and the behavior of its proponents. These are:
1. Liberalism always generates the exact opposite of its stated intent. Similarly, government bureaucracies never solve problems, they manage them and exacerbate the ones they created by interfering with market forces and processes.
2. If you want to know what liberals are up to, pay attention to what they accuse the conservatives of.
3. The amount of wealth in any given area is inversely proportional to the amount of Democrats running it.
4. Liberalism only succeeds when the public is scared into believing that it will not survive without it.
5. When liberalism conflicts with reality, reality must give way.
Facts are the enemy of liberalism.
6. Things are different when you are a Democrat [regarding his allegations of the media's ignorance towards Democratic scandals and misconduct].
7. A Liberal is any person for whom two thousand years of human experience and history means nothing now that they are here.
8. To liberals, intentions are more significant than the outcomes they achieve.
Liberals never think what they are doing is wrong, they only think they haven't done enough of it yet or it is underfunded.
9. "Profiling" is what groups call common sense when they have a problem they don't want to talk about.
10. Democrats and liberals do not engage in debate, they try to silence you. If they engaged in debate, they'd lose.
11. Democrats are political opportunists.
12. Liberalism is based on unproven and/or disproven theory.
13. Liberals view the world the way they think it should be, not the way it is.
Rylan,
I'm still waiting, are Clinton and Obama socialists?
Is socialism in direct contradiction to the Constitution?
oscardeuce: you're right. Those are good laws.
 
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