Obama supporters. I have one question

[scubadoo]

Originally Posted by 1journeyman
http:///forum/post/2490051

Thank you... That's a great summation.
I'll happily keep up the good fight against his other posts, I just refuse to, yet again, explain the war to him. Especially when he never bothers to actually respond.
It reminds of when I was a kid and would close my ears in my hands while screaming "lalalalalalala, I can't hear you" when I knew I was wrong.
Most on the far left still chant the pre-surge songs. They hate America and refuse to even state the war can be won.
My assumption is folks do not respond becuase they now little on the subject matter. They visit the far left loon websites...and that's it.

 

[scubadoo]

Originally Posted by Rylan1
http:///forum/post/2489835
Thats all fine... but what are we doing? Are we nation building? or is this a war on terror ... or is this a war to uncover and destroy WMD's?
I saw Obama, on Sat... he spoke for about an hour and he addressed many different things... I think the snipets you see on tv only highlights his speeches, but they have a lot of substance about his plans for the economy, healthcare, Iraq, infrastructure, and so on.
This has all been covered in several threads. There is no need to repeat it here. Obviously, you simply post in order to get certain reactions.
I only respond in hopes of educating others .
It was proved today with the endorsement from Farrakahn, a known racist and hater that your candidate agress with many of his "positions".

 

[scubadoo]

Originally Posted by 1journeyman
http:///forum/post/2490046
No question; His foreign policy will make Carter look like Churchill...
What foreign policy? He's gonna sit down with our enemies and "chat". The terrorists will laugh at the nonsense.
Take a look at what he is doing and did in Kenya...and that should tell you what's in store regarding foreign policy.
With Mr Tap DAncer...you have to totally ignore what he says...and look at what he does or did.
I heard a sound bite the other night from a debate. he stated if people show up in the emergency room without Obama Care they might have to levy a fine against them. SOunds like mandated care to me. More double speak from the Tap Dancer.

 

[stdreb27]

It boils down to the guy doesn't believe in america exceptionalism. He goes to a church that preaches "the united states of white america" His wife spouts off stuff like this is the first time she has ever been proud of the USA. You can't run the greatest country in the world if you don't even believe in it.

 

[scubadoo]

Originally Posted by Rylan1
http:///forum/post/2489805
al Qaeda is stronger now than they were at 911... ... So what is this war about? I think the Bush Admin didn't have a clear agenda for this war...Is it about WMD's or is it about terrorism? The last question what has this war accomplished? We found that Iraq wasn't an imminent threat... and that despite our efforts and valor.... al Qaeda is stonger...
I'll put it in very simple form for you. It is about protecting the freedom for you to come here and post whatever you'd like...within board giudelines ....but you are free to blast the governemnt if you want to.
Again, much evidence regarding Iraq has been posted on numerous threads.
There's numerous additional facts and information posted here for you to comment on regarding your candidate of choice.

 

[scubadoo]

Originally Posted by stdreb27
http:///forum/post/2490719
It boils down to the guy doesn't believe in america exceptionalism. He goes to a church that preaches "the united states of white america" His wife spouts off stuff like this is the first time she has ever been proud of the USA. You can't run the greatest country in the world if you don't even believe in it.
You've picked up on something here as will many voters in general. I predict they will reject Obama should he be in the general as unfit to be president.

 

[scubadoo]

Originally Posted by bdhutier
http:///forum/post/2490039
Proof positive that Rylan has NO IDEA, NOT ONE INKLING how military operations are conducted. ZERO. How's this, Rylan, "ALL THE ABOVE!!!" Wow... I don't blame you for tapping out, journey... It's like trying to convince a brick wall to call itself red.

The idea is to challenge the misleading posts , rewriting of history, etc. If you think you can get this individual to go against anything he/she has read from moveon.org, the dailykos or the other far left loon we hate america websites you are kidding yourself.
We can with our repsonses educate others that may read the thread.
I for one will not sit back and let the the far lefters go unchallenged.

 

[rykna]

Originally Posted by stdreb27
http:///forum/post/2490719
It boils down to the guy doesn't believe in america exceptionalism. He goes to a church that preaches "the united states of white america" His wife spouts off stuff like this is the first time she has ever been proud of the USA. You can't run the greatest country in the world if you don't even believe in it.
QFT!
The more I learn about Obama, the more I fear the possibility of his presidency. He's a fool. I used to think he was just an empty suit. Now I am beginning to see that any substance that is there is a far-left radical substance, which is even worse than nothing.
-Ozmar the Frightened

 

[oscardeuce]

"he stated if people show up in the emergency room without Obama Care they might have to levy a fine against them"
Under Hillarycare, the physicians would be fined and possibly jailed for treating "out of THE PLAN" patients. You should have seen all the potential things that would put physicians in jail in her plan.
For you game show addicts, follow the Obama Spend-o-meter!
http://www.gop.com/obamaspendometer.htm

 

[stdreb27]

I heard an interesting thought today. Rylan compained about us calling Barak Hussein Obama. Hussein. His family were muslims. One generation removed. If that is off limits. I wonder why "slavery" committed by our ansestors many generations removed is still an issue?

 

[ozmar]

Originally Posted by stdreb27
http:///forum/post/2491272
I heard an interesting thought today. Rylan compained about us calling Barak Hussein Obama. Hussein. His family were muslims. One generation removed. If that is off limits. I wonder why "slavery" committed by our ansestors many generations removed is still an issue?

It's "off limits" because it could be construed as a mark against Obama.
As in: "Hey, didn't Louis Farrakhan support Obama?"
"That's off limits, man!"
-Ozmar the Observant

 

[ozmar]

The Senate is currently debating a plan to limit the options of our troops in the Iraq theatre. Here is a link to Senator Joe Lieberman's remarks in opposition to this bill. Call your senators!
http://corner.nationalreview.com/pos...M0ODJjOThiYmM=
-Ozmar the Observant

 

[rylan1]

Originally Posted by stdreb27
http:///forum/post/2491272
I heard an interesting thought today. Rylan compained about us calling Barak Hussein Obama. Hussein. His family were muslims. One generation removed. If that is off limits. I wonder why "slavery" committed by our ansestors many generations removed is still an issue?

You guys all seem to be from the same party and consevative...however you will loose this election... I've thought about it and you say I am misinformed.. but I am not... the question I posted above is a valid question... What was are inital purpose and plan for Iraq and what is it now? Has it changed...You all have suggested it was to find and eliminate WMD's... then to fight terror... and now it seems to be nation building, which the Bush Admin said it would not do during his tenor. Its obvious there have been many mistakes in the planning and implementation of this war and that you all and this admin are not willing to fess up to. What benchmarks have been meet? Marginal success isn't enough when it falls way short of the initial goals that have been set.
To comment on the comments above... what does it matter what his family was or is? We live in the United States of America and his religion should be a none issue..if you believe in what this nation was founded on, if you do not belief in this and our rights ... than you are clearly bigoted and biased.
His name was given to him... he has no say in it, and to deny it .. he denies who he is and his history. A person is more than just the name he carries. IMO if he were to change it ..it would make him less of a man, because the only reasoning would be to please those who would only have a selffullfilling interest in him. This is the United States were names shouldn't matter and limit you from being what you have worked to be.
To comment on the name and to use it in the manner its been used is.... lets call it for what it is ..... fear mongering... in an attempt to link him with muslim extremist or Saddam Hussein. And even though it doesn't matter... he was not raised by his father's family...his father had no impact on his life...because he left when he was 2... You all are misrepresenting the facts... You claim my positions are wrong... but when you all have the position you do about a name... it decreases your credibility. This name is a very common name and to use it to slander someone is wrong... as your candidate McCain has said.
The whole slavery thing is another issue... and if you look at it in the frame of time 400 years of slavery... 100 years of oppression... 40 years of federally issued equal rights...not to mention all the other issues blacks have faced in those 40 years...

 

[1journeyman]

Originally Posted by Rylan1
http:///forum/post/2491501
... I've thought about it and you say I am misinformed.. but I am not... .

How many of your posts would I need to list here, along with 100% undeniable proof that you were wrong, to get you to take back this one statement?

 

[rylan1]

Originally Posted by Rykna
http:///forum/post/2490947
QFT!
The more I learn about Obama, the more I fear the possibility of his presidency. He's a fool. I used to think he was just an empty suit. Now I am beginning to see that any substance that is there is a far-left radical substance, which is even worse than nothing.
-Ozmar the Frightened

Ozmar needs to listen better... instead of catching a 30 sec story about what Obama is saying... Ozmar sounds islamic ..should I now disparage your comments.

 

[rylan1]

Originally Posted by 1journeyman
http:///forum/post/2491515
How many of your posts would I need to list here, along with 100% undeniable proof that you were wrong, to get you to take back this one statement?
you have not given me undeniable proof... you've only given info that supports your views... if was 100% than why would 50% of people disagree with you... and don't use this site as a representation of the nation... you still didn't answer my question... are we nation building?

 

[1journeyman]

Originally Posted by Rylan1
http:///forum/post/2491543
Ozmar needs to listen better... instead of catching a 30 sec story about what Obama is saying... Ozmar sounds islamic ..should I now disparage your comments.
Are you denying Obama has one of the most far left voting records currently in the US Senate?

 

[bdhutier]

Originally Posted by Rylan1
http:///forum/post/2491501
What was are inital purpose and plan for Iraq and what is it now? Has it changed...You all have suggested it was to find and eliminate WMD's... then to fight terror... and now it seems to be nation building, which the Bush Admin said it would not do during his tenor. ... What benchmarks have been meet? Marginal success isn't enough when it falls way short of the initial goals that have been set.
You see, Rylan, this isn't a dime-store novel. This isn't a linear sit-com. This is warfare, and like every other conflict in history, things change. The situation changes on a daily basis, and it's the commanders' responsibilities to do their best to anticipate and/or react to those changes. Although I know in advance I'm wasting my time typing this, I'd like you to name JUST ONE conflict which has ended in a maintained peace without nation-building. I dare you to name one.
Originally Posted by Rylan1
http:///forum/post/2491501
The whole slavery thing is another issue... and if you look at it in the frame of time 400 years of slavery... 100 years of oppression... 40 years of federally issued equal rights...not to mention all the other issues blacks have faced in those 40 years...
400+100+40= 540 years.
2008-540= 1468
Columbus sailed the ocean blue in 1492... are you using that Liberal math, or just shooting from the hip again?

 

[rylan1]

Originally Posted by 1journeyman
http:///forum/post/2491553
Are you denying Obama has one of the most far left voting records currently in the US Senate?
I haven't opposed or denied that. Fact is I believe in his message and what he is doing/saying... I think it will have a good impact on America. He has a message of Hope and Change.... I believe his record supports that... I believe his journey has been remarkable and that he has done and accomplished the things he has set his mind to... and this will continue.. He is bringing people together... I like his views on healthcare, education, economy, and foreign policy among others. There may be some slight tweaks here or there... but overall... I think he is what a president should be when it comes to presentation, substance, message, and role.

 

[stdreb27]

Originally Posted by Rylan1
http:///forum/post/2491501
The whole slavery thing is another issue... and if you look at it in the frame of time 400 years of slavery... 100 years of oppression... 40 years of federally issued equal rights...not to mention all the other issues blacks have faced in those 40 years...
How about 2000 years of Muslims waring with "christian Nations", their current "leaders" in Iran, Lybia, and other nations? Their attacks on 9-11. Islamic issues are far more pressing than the "racism" heck a black guy is a legit contender for president.