scubadoo
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Originally Posted by Rylan1
http:///forum/post/2491501
You guys all seem to be from the same party and consevative...however you will loose this election... I've thought about it and you say I am misinformed.. but I am not... the question I posted above is a valid question... What was are inital purpose and plan for Iraq and what is it now? Has it changed...You all have suggested it was to find and eliminate WMD's... then to fight terror... and now it seems to be nation building, which the Bush Admin said it would not do during his tenor. Its obvious there have been many mistakes in the planning and implementation of this war and that you all and this admin are not willing to fess up to. What benchmarks have been meet? Marginal success isn't enough when it falls way short of the initial goals that have been set.
To comment on the comments above... what does it matter what his family was or is? We live in the United States of America and his religion should be a none issue..if you believe in what this nation was founded on, if you do not belief in this and our rights ... than you are clearly bigoted and biased.
His name was given to him... he has no say in it, and to deny it .. he denies who he is and his history. A person is more than just the name he carries. IMO if he were to change it ..it would make him less of a man, because the only reasoning would be to please those who would only have a selffullfilling interest in him. This is the United States were names shouldn't matter and limit you from being what you have worked to be.
To comment on the name and to use it in the manner its been used is.... lets call it for what it is ..... fear mongering... in an attempt to link him with muslim extremist or Saddam Hussein. And even though it doesn't matter... he was not raised by his father's family...his father had no impact on his life...because he left when he was 2... You all are misrepresenting the facts... You claim my positions are wrong... but when you all have the position you do about a name... it decreases your credibility. This name is a very common name and to use it to slander someone is wrong... as your candidate McCain has said.
The whole slavery thing is another issue... and if you look at it in the frame of time 400 years of slavery... 100 years of oppression... 40 years of federally issued equal rights...not to mention all the other issues blacks have faced in those 40 years...
His church honored a known hater and racist in Farrakahn. he remains a member of the church and now the racist hater has endorsed him. SUre, Obama releases words about his displeasure regarding Farrakahn..yet he remains a member of the church? THe church also has propaganda that is polarizing and not main stream.
If Obama is sincere...he'll denounce his church publicly and it's leader and leave the "flock". Since he has yet to do it..I can only conclude he is in 100% support of his chosen "church" and a supporter of a racist and racism.
Your issues regarding the war have already been answered in numerous threads..as have your why are we not in africa..which is most likely coming again soon.
By the way...according to Obama's spiritual leader and church we do not live in the United States of America......we live in the United States of WHite AMerica. That's right, you claim you don;t know really what the church is all about.
http:///forum/post/2491501
You guys all seem to be from the same party and consevative...however you will loose this election... I've thought about it and you say I am misinformed.. but I am not... the question I posted above is a valid question... What was are inital purpose and plan for Iraq and what is it now? Has it changed...You all have suggested it was to find and eliminate WMD's... then to fight terror... and now it seems to be nation building, which the Bush Admin said it would not do during his tenor. Its obvious there have been many mistakes in the planning and implementation of this war and that you all and this admin are not willing to fess up to. What benchmarks have been meet? Marginal success isn't enough when it falls way short of the initial goals that have been set.
To comment on the comments above... what does it matter what his family was or is? We live in the United States of America and his religion should be a none issue..if you believe in what this nation was founded on, if you do not belief in this and our rights ... than you are clearly bigoted and biased.
His name was given to him... he has no say in it, and to deny it .. he denies who he is and his history. A person is more than just the name he carries. IMO if he were to change it ..it would make him less of a man, because the only reasoning would be to please those who would only have a selffullfilling interest in him. This is the United States were names shouldn't matter and limit you from being what you have worked to be.
To comment on the name and to use it in the manner its been used is.... lets call it for what it is ..... fear mongering... in an attempt to link him with muslim extremist or Saddam Hussein. And even though it doesn't matter... he was not raised by his father's family...his father had no impact on his life...because he left when he was 2... You all are misrepresenting the facts... You claim my positions are wrong... but when you all have the position you do about a name... it decreases your credibility. This name is a very common name and to use it to slander someone is wrong... as your candidate McCain has said.
The whole slavery thing is another issue... and if you look at it in the frame of time 400 years of slavery... 100 years of oppression... 40 years of federally issued equal rights...not to mention all the other issues blacks have faced in those 40 years...
His church honored a known hater and racist in Farrakahn. he remains a member of the church and now the racist hater has endorsed him. SUre, Obama releases words about his displeasure regarding Farrakahn..yet he remains a member of the church? THe church also has propaganda that is polarizing and not main stream.
If Obama is sincere...he'll denounce his church publicly and it's leader and leave the "flock". Since he has yet to do it..I can only conclude he is in 100% support of his chosen "church" and a supporter of a racist and racism.
Your issues regarding the war have already been answered in numerous threads..as have your why are we not in africa..which is most likely coming again soon.
By the way...according to Obama's spiritual leader and church we do not live in the United States of America......we live in the United States of WHite AMerica. That's right, you claim you don;t know really what the church is all about.