Obama supporters. I have one question

[scubadoo]

Originally Posted by Rylan1
http:///forum/post/2546585
Obama has done nothing disgraceful... He has run a clean campaign, depite these silly and numerous attacks.
He is a member of a church that supports the hamas message by printing the sick garbage in the church bulletin. That's what I call going too far.
If you would like to support a candidate that is a member of a church spewing hate for the US and racism...plus supporting the Hamas message that is your choice.
I will shine the light on it for all to see...you can sweep it under the rug and ignore it if you so choose.
Wright was also an adviser to the campaign until Nobama was smoked out of his pew. WHo knows what role he would have played or will play in the future. Or, what advice Nobama may seek form the hater behind the walls.

 

[scubadoo]

Originally Posted by reefraff
http:///forum/post/2546869
Why break a perfect record?

Remember when Trent Lott was forced out as Senate leader for saying something nice to Strom Thurmond on his 100 birthday? If saying something nice to an old man who had once been a dixicrat (as in southern white democrat segregationist) makes Lott unsuitable to be senate leader I would say Obama's longstanding relationship with a racist pastor and membership in a church that embraces black sepratism at a minimum I would say it (among other things) makes him unsuitable to be president.
How does one justify wanting to be president..while belonging to a church that gave a mouth piece and platform here in the US to Hamas?

 

[scubadoo]

Originally Posted by Rylan1
http:///forum/post/2546988
If Obama or anyone else said this... than fine... but you can't attribute the words of one man to another... especially when he has spoke out against the remarks... If I follow your same logic...anything anyone of your friends or family say that is not 'politically correct' I should assume it is just as if they came out of your own mouth...
He sat there for 20 years...he said NOTHING when the church honored Louie...only when it was reported.
Unlike a church....I am stuck with my family. I can walk away from friends and institutions that take positions I am against. Nobama decided to stay.....I guess because it was all a big secret.
Judgement and association.

 

[scubadoo]

Originally Posted by Rylan1
http:///forum/post/2546585
You have gone over the deep end now... So let me get this straignt.. Father Pfleger and Farrakhan have a relationship?... How can this be? When all I've been hearing is how he hates Catholics...
All this stuff is much to do about nothing...
Obama has done nothing disgraceful... He has run a clean campaign, depite these silly and numerous attacks.
Pfleger threatens to kill the owner of gun shop or at a minimum promotes violence and hate .....
"He's the owner of Chuck's, John Riggio, R-i-g-g-i-o. We're going to find you and snuff you out. You can't keep hiding because you're afraid. Obviously you know you're doing something wrong. You wouldn't have your business in a truck. You wouldn't have a truck pushed in front of your door because you know you've got to hide. Like a rat, you're going to hide, but like a rat, we're going to catch you and pull you out. We are not going to allow you to continue to hide when we're here."
Pfleger threatens to kill legislators or at a minimum promotes violence......
“We’re gonna snuff out legislators who are voting against our gun laws and we’re coming for you because we are not going to sit idly.”
Pfleger threatens anyone that attempt to speak out against Nobama.....
"Do not touch this man," he says, "for if you do, you will answer to us all."

 

[scubadoo]

Originally Posted by Rylan1
http:///forum/post/2546898
The comments mentioned by Wright or a only a a couple of thousands... Yea, I wish this guy was a better reflection of his church and less controversial... .
To once again set the record straight....the so-called tapes are from DVD's and/or tapes the church was selling. No one snuck in with a video camera and recorded it...the church offered the poison and hate to the public. Why did the church select the hate message as opposed to the opposite if this was only a couple sentences out of thousands?
Why did the church print hate from Hamas in the official bulletin?

 

[scubadoo]

Originally Posted by Rylan1
http:///forum/post/2546958
unless you want to have a real debate on race in America. At least Obama has the courage to face it and to talk about it, and to turn the page in efforts to bring us all together... .
I suggest Nobama start with his pastor first...then he can move to the rest of America. He only discussed race after he was smoked out of his pew. He avoided it until the hate was brought right out of his church doors.
He supported the hate mantra for 20 years...plus the terrorist support by the church thorugh his church membership.
Following your logic...it's okay for whites to belong to some orgnization spewing hate against the US and racism against blacks and jews and/or other groups.......as long as we just show up during the Toys for Tots drive at CHristmas.
I agree, Nobama for 20 years had the courage to face racism many Sundays......and did nothing about it.
Judgement and association.

 

[scubadoo]

Originally Posted by Rylan1
http:///forum/post/2546958
Obama is the only one who will take this debate full circle.
He can't even get in the bus and drive the unifying message around the block his church occupies. He is a fraud and a fake. If he believes in unification...how could he possibly be a member of a church spewing the opposite for 20 years? Oh that's right...he's never there when the hate rallies occur.
Full circle? Only with words not action.
Judgement and association

 

[scubadoo]

Originally Posted by Darthtang AW
http:///forum/post/2471144
Ok I just spent the last few hours looking over Obama's polotics at his website. I poured through every issue he has posted. And ONE thing stuck out at me. ONE MAJOR thing.
The major gripe about Iraq is we took our eye off the ball and didn't pursue Osama and Al qaeda as hard as you would have liked in Afghanistan. We didn't capture Bin laden...yadda yadda yadda.
Yet after looking at his site and reading. I didn't find one single mention of chasing bin laden, capturing him. Fighting Al Qaeda/islmaic terrorist or anything similar. He touches on Iraq (pull out), Iran (diplomacy/sanctions) and Isreal (more diplomacy)
BUT NOTHING ON BIN LADEN!
THIS SHOULD GIVE YOU PAUSE FOR CONCERN AS IF HE DOESN'T MENTION IT, IT ISN'T AN ISSUE FOR HIM, WHICH IS SCARY.
I would sooner vote for hilary (and I can't stand her) than Obama as she atleasts addresses these issue. Your candidate doesn't even touch on him....why is that? If I missed the info on his site, please post me a link.
DArth..with this post you may have uncovered something very important regarding Nobama early on.
Now that we know his church provided a platform for Hamas....perhaps the oversight you state here is no longer as much of a surprise.
Think about it.

 

[darthtang aw]

Originally Posted by ScubaDoo
http:///forum/post/2547722
DArth..with this post you may have uncovered something very important regarding Nobama early on.
Now that we know his church provided a platform for Hamas....perhaps the oversight you state here is no longer as much of a surprise.
Think about it.

It wasn't a surprise then for me.

 

[gonefishcrazy]

He can't even get in the bus and drive the unifying message around the block his church occupies. He is a fraud and a fake.
I take it you got a copy of every sermon for the last 20 years? People who call Obama racists are actual racists themselves. You must attend that church to know what he can and can't do. Fraud and a fake pretty much cums up your statement. To make this man a racist because of a few statements his pastor made is ridiculous. Anyway, on a more positive note, OBAMA 2008.

 

[gonefishcrazy]

Let's get the quote straight
Obama spent 20 years in the Pews listening to wrights racist remarks. His fellow church members did as well. Trying to say Obama didn't embrace these views is like saying David Duke and Robert Byrd only joined the KKK for the religious teachings and didn't agree with the racist statements being made.
What a brainless, dazed, deficient, dense, dim, dodo, doltish, dopy, dotterel, dull, dumb, dummy, foolish, futile, gullible, half-baked, half-witted, idiotic, ill-advised, imbecilic, inane, indiscreet, insensate, irrelevant, irresponsible, laughable, loser, ludicrous, meaningless, mindless, moronic, naive, nonsensical, obtuse, pointless, puerile, rash, senseless, short-sighted, simple, simple-minded, slow, sluggish, stolid, stupefied, thick, thickheaded, trivial, unintelligent, unthinking, witless comparison. How do you compare the KKK to this church OR anythng period.

 

[oscardeuce]

Now, Obama thinks human life is a "punishment" for a bad decision.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eNzmly28Bmg
I guess I can count on the gov't to remove all consequences from all actions.
I may have not been planning a third child, but he is not "punishment".

 

[zman1]

BUT NOTHING ON BIN LADEN! ?????????????See who hasn't caught or killed Bin Laden
http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/us/...ef=videosearch
“MEET THE PRESS WITH TIM RUSSERT”
INTERVIEW WITH PRESIDENT GEORGE W. BUSH
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4179618/

[hr]
August 1, 2007
Mr. Obama said that if elected president, he would act if he had information that terrorists were in Pakistan’s border area, thought to be a hiding place for Osama bin Laden. "I understand that President Musharraf has his own challenges. But let me make this clear. There are terrorists holed up in those mountains who murdered 3,000 Americans. They are plotting to strike again," Obama said. "If we have actionable intelligence about high-value terrorist targets and President Musharraf won't act, we will."
"I find it amusing," said Obama, "that those who helped to authorize and engineer the biggest foreign policy disaster in our generation are now criticizing me for making sure that we are on the right battlefield and not the wrong battlefield in the war against terrorism."

[hr]
Aug. 3, 2007
ISLAMABAD, Pakistan - Pakistan criticized U.S. presidential candidate Barack Obama on Friday for saying that, if elected, he might order unilateral military strikes against terrorists hiding in this Islamic country.

[hr]
November 27, 2007
On Saturday in South Carolina, Huckabee said if there was an "imminent threat" inside Pakistan, he would take military action there, even if it meant violating Pakistan's sovereignty under international law.
Sen. John McCain condemned Mike Huckabee Monday for saying that, as president, he would strike at terrorists inside Pakistan's borders with or without permission from the country's leadership.
McCain called Huckabee's comments naïve and said the former Arkansas governor lacks military experience needed to lead.

[hr]
Dejavoo
Apparent U.S. strike kills up to 20 in Pakistan March. 16, 2008
WANA, Pakistan - A U.S. warplane fired missiles on Sunday at a house in a Pakistani region known as a haven for al-Qaida and Taliban fighters, a Pakistani intelligence official said. The source said at least 9 extremists were killed, but Pakistan Television put the death toll at 20.
Maybe McCain will shift his postion on finding and killing terrorist where ever they are also - Afganhistan and the mountains of Pakistan....

 

[darthtang aw]

Originally Posted by zman1
http:///forum/post/2548128
August 1, 2007
Mr. Obama said that if elected president, he would act if he had information that terrorists were in Pakistan’s border area, thought to be a hiding place for Osama bin Laden. "I understand that President Musharraf has his own challenges. But let me make this clear. There are terrorists holed up in those mountains who murdered 3,000 Americans. They are plotting to strike again," Obama said. "If we have actionable intelligence about high-value terrorist targets and President Musharraf won't act, we will."
"I find it amusing," said Obama, "that those who helped to authorize and engineer the biggest foreign policy disaster in our generation are now criticizing me for making sure that we are on the right battlefield and not the wrong battlefield in the war against terrorism."

[hr]
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You have on quote from a speech in 2007 of august. Yet when I look on his site and look through all the policies and issues he has listed (and they are numerous) This is not mentioned.
So...my question is this, was he just paying lip service to gain the favor of Hilary hawks then and has no desire to persue Bi Laden or does he feel Bin Laden is a non factor?
either way I look at it troubles me.
also to address gonefishcrazy. If the left can equate McCain to Bush repeatedly, then we can equate the preachings of a church pastor to the preachings of a grand master in the KKK.

 

[1journeyman]

Originally Posted by gonefishcrazy
I take it you got a copy of every sermon for the last 20 years? People who call Obama racists are actual racists themselves. You must attend that church to know what he can and can't do. Fraud and a fake pretty much cums up your statement. To make this man a racist because of a few statements his pastor made is ridiculous. Anyway, on a more positive note, OBAMA 2008.
That's silly.
If I call a duck a duck am I a duck?
Obama supporters, even on this thread, are trying to promote a big lie. "It's all taken out of context...", "you're trying to take 1 sermon out of 20 years...", "Obama is not responsible for his pastor...", etc.
Facts:
*Obama said about his fellow Americans who were wearing lapel pins that they were replacing "true patriotism" in doing so.
*Obama's wife has made multiple statements proving she's drunk deep from the Well of Wright's sermons
*Obama has lied about hearing the hatefilled and racist sermons. At first he said he'd never been there, then in his infamous "race speech" he admitted he had.
*"Rev" Wright was far more than a "pastor" to Obama. Obama has referred to him as a "friend" and "mentor". In addition, Wright was on staff as an Advisor.
*This is about a lot more than "one sermon". Even Obombus himslef has admitted that.
*Obombus and his church introduced race into this political race. Obombus and his supporters are saying a vote against Obombus is a vote against him because he is black.
*His pastor hates the USA, apparently supports terrorist groups, and even traveled, while pastor, to Libya with Farrakhan... Did Obama not know about that trip when he hired Wright as an Advisor?
For the record, I voted against Oboma in the Democratic Primary and I will vote against him in November. NOT because of the color of his skin; I'm voting against him because I question his judgment and patriotism, and because he is clearly an Affirmative Action Socialist with little understanding of Foreign Policy.

 

[zman1]

Originally Posted by Darthtang AW
http:///forum/post/2548170
..... and has no desire to persue Bi Laden or does he feel Bin Laden is a non factor?.....
?????????????????
August 1, 2007
Mr. Obama said that if elected president, he would act if he had information that terrorists were in Pakistan’s border area, thought to be a hiding place for Osama bin Laden. "I understand that President Musharraf has his own challenges. But let me make this clear. There are terrorists holed up in those mountains who murdered 3,000 Americans. They are plotting to strike again," Obama said. "If we have actionable intelligence about high-value terrorist targets and President Musharraf won't act, we will."
I know you hate to hear this, it' hurts. However, MCCain won't do what it would take to kill terrorist where ever they are or is this another mis-speak, since he believes AQ is beng trained in Iran still. I thought Joe Lieberman straightened him out on that matter...
Take some time to read the Bush interview transcript, this was back in 04 - that way you can understand the McCainBush doctrine during the last 4 years of 8 - or as it's called now Air McCain.

 

[darthtang aw]

Originally Posted by zman1
http:///forum/post/2548183
?????????????????
August 1, 2007
Mr. Obama said that if elected president, he would act if he had information that terrorists were in Pakistan’s border area, thought to be a hiding place for Osama bin Laden. "I understand that President Musharraf has his own challenges. But let me make this clear. There are terrorists holed up in those mountains who murdered 3,000 Americans. They are plotting to strike again," Obama said. "If we have actionable intelligence about high-value terrorist targets and President Musharraf won't act, we will."
Funny I can re quote as well.
"Yet when I look on his site and look through all the policies and issues he has listed (and they are numerous) This is not mentioned."
again you have one comment and one speech from obama. If we should overlook "one" comment from his pastor I should also overlook his "one comment on Bin Laden".
after all it is only one comment out of many others.

 

[zman1]

For some, this type of crap just is the most important things to be concerned about..
This is what concerns me, not the Wright distractions crap.....
http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/us/...ef=videosearch

 

[1journeyman]

Originally Posted by gonefishcrazy
...How do you compare the KKK to this church OR anythng period.
Let's play a game. I'll call it: Guess which webpage this quote is from
The rules of the game are simple; I'll select 10 phrases from Obama's church and from the KKK webpage. In place of the words White and Black I'll put the word "green". In place of country or continental references (Africa, Europe, etc.)I'll use the plantet "Pluto".
Players ready?
1. "Bringing a Message of Hope and Deliverance to "Green" Christian America"
2. "We constantly affirm our trust in God through cultural expression of a "green" worship service and ministries which address the "green" Community.
3. "The federal government has enacted programs and laws designed for the exclusive discrimination against those of "Green" "Plutonian" ancestry.
4. "We are..... Unashamedly "Green" and Unapologetically Christian... We are a "Plutonian" people, and remain "true to our native land."
5. "Actively promote love and appreciation of our unique "Plutonian" ("Green") culture.
6. "...does not apologize for its "Green" roots."
7. "...committed to cultural education"
8. "...committed to the historical education of "Plutonian" people.."
9. "...committed to restoration"
10. "we are called to be agents of liberation"

 

[rylan1]

Originally Posted by Darthtang AW
http:///forum/post/2548207
Funny I can re quote as well.
"Yet when I look on his site and look through all the policies and issues he has listed (and they are numerous) This is not mentioned."
again you have one comment and one speech from obama. If we should overlook "one" comment from his pastor I should also overlook his "one comment on Bin Laden".
after all it is only one comment out of many others.
I'm trying to understand your point here

This is the very thing that the Bush Admin did and the CIA probably about a month or 2 ago. They dropped a bomb in Pakistan, and let Musharaff know about a minute or so before it happened....
So why is this a negative when it has already happened... He just said this is what he would do if neccessary... and the Bush Admin found it necessary... I doubt you will hear anything about this anymore..because it is no longer a negative or something he can be attacked on.