Obama supporters. I have one question

darthtang aw

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Originally Posted by zman1
http:///forum/post/2548692
I guess I will try one more time to HOLD YOUR HAND.
http://www.barackobama.com/index.php
1. Click Issues
2. Click Foreign Policy
3. Seach the page for INFORMATION
4. You will see on the page links for "For More Information about Barack's Plan
"
5. Click the READ
the speech on Counter-Terrorism and Diplomacy. It's right there.
6. READ
7. Close window when finished - or read other items
8. Come to SWF - Claim that you can't find it again through the Issues Foreign Policy - page
9. Zman1 gives up on Darthtang AW and tells him, Journey is quoting from in two previous posts - he found it.
Found it, and it is a speech he said once.....nothing more.
he does not outline it on his issues platform like other issues. That is all I am saying. To me this should be in the issues platform. This is my problem with him.
I truly do not care if he attended the church. doesn't make him a racist, a bad judge of character sure. but not necesarilly a racist.
I actually agree with his stance on Pakistan/afghanistan, however I feel he has not addressed this enough is my problem. To me it looks like lip service. as I said.
 

rylan1

Active Member
I'm doing a comparison on the websites... There is so much more information on the issues ... the real issues... take a look! Aside from the vagueness of what McCain's site covers... he simply acknowlodges a problem or issue... but I see nothing that talks about the solution or his plan on how he will address it in detail.
 

stdreb27

Active Member
Originally Posted by gonefishcrazy
http:///forum/post/2548718
HUCKABEE said, Quote, " did things we regret.
I don't see Wright apologizing or recanting his statements. I do think he still stands by them... I don't think he regrets them at all.
 

rylan1

Active Member
Originally Posted by Darthtang AW
http:///forum/post/2548730
Found it, and it is a speech he said once.....nothing more.
he does not outline it on his issues platform like other issues. That is all I am saying. To me this should be in the issues platform. This is my problem with him.
I truly do not care if he attended the church. doesn't make him a racist, a bad judge of character sure. but not necesarilly a racist.
I actually agree with his stance on Pakistan/afghanistan, however I feel he has not addressed this enough is my problem. To me it looks like lip service. as I said.
Compare it to McCain... you can also look at the Iraq section of Issues to get more information on the overall plan and issues in regards to Iraq.Afghanistan,Pakistan
Lets look at McCain... I don't even see a mention of Afghanistan or Pakistan in relation to Iraq or Terrorism. Of course I could go through every speech, but who has time to do that?
 

darthtang aw

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Really Rylan...can you give me an example?
As I look at McCains site I don't see as many issues as on Obama's but of couyrse Obama wants to increase government control and funding so he needs more issues.
but which issue does McCain touch on but doesn't present a plan.
 

rylan1

Active Member
Originally Posted by stdreb27
http:///forum/post/2548745
I don't see Wright apologizing or recanting his statements. I do think he still stands by them... I don't think he regrets them at all.
He's only made one appearance since... Obama has said that Wright has looked over his remarks and expressed some regret over his words... I can't remember exactly what he said but he did acknowledge that they could be viewed as divisive, which wasn't his intention.
 

darthtang aw

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Originally Posted by Rylan1
http:///forum/post/2548750
Compare it to McCain... you can also look at the Iraq section of Issues to get more information on the overall plan and issues in regards to Iraq.Afghanistan,Pakistan
Lets look at McCain... I don't even see a mention of Afghanistan or Pakistan in relation to Iraq or Terrorism. Of course I could go through every speech, but who has time to do that?

He mentions Afghanistan once in the homeland security part..about continuing the fight there. But that is it as well from what I can find quickly.
This is a big issue for me and will have me watching to see who views it as a greater concern than the others. but as of right McCain is the only one that wants to stick it out in Iraq and that has my vote so far.
 

reefraff

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Here's an interesting article on Mr. Middle of the road uniter
Change Obama can believe in: Socialism?
Campaign workers for Senator and presidential candidate Barack Obama are under fire for displaying a flag featuring communist hero Che Guevara.
But Obama has his own controversial connections. He is, in fact, an associate of a Chicago-based socialist group with ties to the Socialist International, access to millions of labor union dollars and connections to expert political consultants, including a convicted swindler.
Obama’s socialist backing goes back at least to 1996, when he received the endorsement of the Chicago branch of the Democratic Socialists of America (DSA) for an Illinois state senate seat. Later, the Chicago DSA newsletter reported that Obama, as a state senator, showed up to eulogize Saul Mendelson, one of the “champions” of “Chicago’s democratic left” and a long-time socialist activist. Obama’s stint as a “community organizer” in Chicago has gotten some attention, but his relationship with the DSA socialists, who groomed and backed him, has been generally ignored.
Blogger Steve Bartin, who has been following Obama’s career and involvement with the Chicago socialists, has uncovered a fascinating video showing Obama campaigning for openly socialist Senator Bernie Sanders of Vermont. Interestingly, Sanders, who won his seat in 2006, called Obama “one of the great leaders of the United States Senate,” even though Obama had only been in the body for about two years. In 2007, the National Journal said that Obama had established himself as “the most liberal Senator.” More liberal than Sanders? That is quite a feat. Does this make Obama a socialist, too?
DSA describes itself as the largest socialist organization in the United States and the principal U.S. affiliate of the Socialist International. The Socialist International (SI) has what is called “consultative status” with the United Nations. In other words, it works hand-in-glove with the world body.
The international connection is important and significant because an Obama bill, “The Global Poverty Act,” has just been rushed through the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, with the assistance of Democratic Senator Joe Biden, the chairman, and Republican Senator Richard Lugar. The legislation (S.2433) commits the U.S. to spending hundreds of billions of dollars more in foreign aid on the rest of the world, in order to comply with the “Millennium Goals” established by the United Nations. Conservative members of the committee were largely caught off-guard by the move to pass the Obama bill but are putting a “hold” on it, in order to try to prevent the legislation, which also quickly passed the House, from being quickly brought up for a full Senate vote. But observers think that Senate Democrats may try to pass it quickly anyway, in order to give Obama a precious legislative “victory” that he could run on.
Another group associated with the SI is the Party of European Socialists (PES), which heard from Howard Dean, the chairman of the Democratic National Committee, back in 2006. Dean’s speech is posted on the official Democratic Party website, although the European socialist parties are referred to as “progressive.” Democrats, Dean said, want to be “good citizens of the world community.” He spoke at a session on “Global Challenges for Progressive Politics.”
Following up, in April 2007, PES President Poul Nyrup Rasmussen reported that European socialists held a meeting “in the Democrats HQ in Washington,” met with officials of the party and Democratic members of Congress, and agreed that “PES activist groups” in various U.S. cities would start working together. The photos of the trip show Rasmussen meeting with such figures as Senator Ben Cardin, Senator Bernie Sanders, officials of the Brookings Institution, Howard Dean, and AFL-CIO President John W. Sweeney, a member of the DSA. The Brookings Institution is headed by former Clinton State Department official Strobe Talbott, a proponent of world government who was recently identified in the book Comrade J as having been a pawn of the Russian intelligence service.
The socialist connections of Obama and the Democratic Party have certainly not been featured in the Washington Post columns of Harold Meyerson, who happens not only to be a member but a vice-chair of the DSA. Meyerson, the subject of our 2005 column, “A Socialist at the Washington Post,” has praised convicted inside-trader George Soros for manipulating campaign finance laws to benefit the far-left elements of the Democratic Party. Obama’s success in the Democratic presidential primaries and caucuses is further evidence of Soros’s success. Indeed, Soros has financially contributed to the Obama campaign.
 

reefraff

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Continued
It is not surprising that the Chicago Democrat, Rep. Jan Schakowsky, has endorsed Obama. Schakowsky, who endorsed Howard Dean for president in 2004, was honored in 2000 at a dinner sponsored by the Chicago chapter of the DSA. Her husband, Robert Creamer, emerged from federal prison in November 2006 after serving five months for financial crimes. He pleaded guilty to ripping off financial institutions while running a non-profit group. Before he was convicted but under indictment, Creamer was hired by the Soros-funded Open Society Policy Center to sabotage John Bolton’s nomination as Ambassador to the U.N.
After his release from prison, Creamer released a book, Listen to Your Mother: Stand up Straight: How Progressives Can Win, described by one blogger as the book that was “penned in the pen.” A blurb for the book declares, “Some people think that in order to win, Democrats need to move to the political center by adopting conservative values and splitting the difference between progressive and conservative positions. History shows they are wrong. To win the next election and to win in the long term, we need to redefine the political center.”
In addition to writing the book, Creamer is back in business, running his firm, Strategic Consulting Group, and advertising himself as “a consultant to the campaigns to end the war in Iraq, pass universal health care, change America’s budget priorities and enact comprehensive immigration reform.” His clients have included the AFL-CIO and MoveOn.org. In fact, his client list is a virtual who’s who of the Democratic Party, organized labor, and Democratic Party constituency groups.
Creamer’s list of testimonials comes from such figures as Democratic Senators ---- Durbin (Ill.) and Sherrod Brown (Ohio), Harold Meyerson, MoveOn.org founder Wes Boyd, and David Axelrod, a “Democratic political consultant.” Axelrod, of course, is much more than just a “Democratic political consultant.” He helped State Senator Barack Obama win his U.S. Senate seat in 2004 and currently serves as strategist and media advisor to Obama’s presidential campaign.
 

rylan1

Active Member
Originally Posted by Darthtang AW
http:///forum/post/2548753
Really Rylan...can you give me an example?
As I look at McCains site I don't see as many issues as on Obama's but of couyrse Obama wants to increase government control and funding so he needs more issues.
but which issue does McCain touch on but doesn't present a plan.
Well lets take two that aren't issues
2nd Amendment - won't change
Human Dignity- these aren't issues today that need acknowledged as key issues.
Economy -- talks about taxes, but I am not satisfied with that... there are other issues to why our economy is in a recession
Education- He mentions public school and that parents should have the right to send kids wherever... but its more to it.
Environment- basically we can't ignore global warming
What about our dependency on oil... the creation of jobs, social security, rural development, national service, college education, civil rights, Darfur, homeownership, home loan fraud and foreclosures, retirement, rebuilding our infrastructure... These are some of the things I find on Obama's site that I can be informed about and see that the next admin will have a plan to address these issues.
 

rylan1

Active Member
Originally Posted by reefraff
http:///forum/post/2548770
Continued
It is not surprising that the Chicago Democrat, Rep. Jan Schakowsky, has endorsed Obama. Schakowsky, who endorsed Howard Dean for president in 2004, was honored in 2000 at a dinner sponsored by the Chicago chapter of the DSA. Her husband, Robert Creamer, emerged from federal prison in November 2006 after serving five months for financial crimes. He pleaded guilty to ripping off .....
I wish you would get of this... who cares who endorses who... Lets talk about how McCain and Hilary both have lobbiest on staff who are directly involved in the

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Crisis with these banks who were commiting fraud... Billing these banks almost a million each. This should be a concern... not some democrat's husband... What are the real issues?
 

aninafish

Member
I would love to judge Obama an many many things but apparently I need to work on finding that trust fund I must have lost somewhere. OH and what I have to say doesn't matter.. I am just a "typical white woman" and I have no right to judge any actions, behaviors or words spoken by anyone who might have ever been oppressed. Too bad that only leaves 3 or 4 people in the whole world.
 

rylan1

Active Member
Originally Posted by Darthtang AW
http:///forum/post/2548763
He mentions Afghanistan once in the homeland security part..about continuing the fight there. But that is it as well from what I can find quickly.
This is a big issue for me and will have me watching to see who views it as a greater concern than the others. but as of right McCain is the only one that wants to stick it out in Iraq and that has my vote so far.
If we stay in Iraq... Afghanistan and other issues will continue to take a backburner... so will social security and our economy... because we can not continue to borrow and spend... while reducing taxes and expect our economy and dollar to improve. Oil will still be a neccessity and a burden...We won't be safer because this war on fuels anti-american feelings abroad. Our troops will also be stretched, hurting the effectiveness of their service.
 

reefraff

Active Member
Originally Posted by Rylan1
http:///forum/post/2548781
I wish you would get of this... who cares who endorses who... ?
Endorsements by groups driven by idealogy are very telling. Socialists don't support candidates with middle of the road philosophies. Of course Obama's record demonstrates he is far left.
 

rylan1

Active Member
Originally Posted by ANinaFish
http:///forum/post/2548787
I would love to judge Obama an many many things but apparently I need to work on finding that trust fund I must have lost somewhere. OH and what I have to say doesn't matter.. I am just a "typical white woman" and I have no right to judge any actions, behaviors or words spoken by anyone who might have ever been oppressed. Too bad that only leaves 3 or 4 people in the whole world.
One thing I find interesting is all the racist presidents we had in the past whom we treat with such honor... presidents who directly oppressed minorities with their policies...who kept slaves... our suggested the movie "Birth of a Nation" was unfournately a true depection of blacks.
In regards to Obama who represents all of America...what is best about America... he gets criticzied about statements or people he has no control over... about actions that took place 30 years ago, or people who endorse him who's husband commited a crime or someone who has said inapproriate things in the past... these are not people he sought out, but people who believe in his plan for America... Obama hasn't been involved in a scandal, he hasn't been convicted or charged with a crime. He hasn't been investigated for improper behavior... If you want to judge someone on their actions or behavior...judge the person...
 

rylan1

Active Member
Originally Posted by reefraff
http:///forum/post/2548792
Endorsements by groups driven by idealogy are very telling. Socialists don't support candidates with middle of the road philosophies. Of course Obama's record demonstrates he is far left.
The is not about endorsements, is my point... you act as if everything that is conservative is good... there are people on both sides with agendas... I choose to ignore this stuff and vote based on the candidate... not who or who doesn't endorse them... All the comments lately have nothing to do with policy or the direction of this country...
 

aninafish

Member
Originally Posted by Rylan1
http:///forum/post/2548804
One thing I find interesting is all the racist presidents we had in the past whom we treat with such honor... presidents who directly oppressed minorities with their policies...who kept slaves... our suggested the movie "Birth of a Nation" was unfortunately a true depection of blacks.
In regards to Obama who represents all of America...what is best about America... he gets criticized about statements or people he has no control over... about actions that took place 30 years ago, or people who endorse him who's husband commited a crime or someone who has said inapproriate things in the past... these are not people he sought out, but people who believe in his plan for America... Obama hasn't been involved in a scandal, he hasn't been convicted or charged with a crime. He hasn't been investigated for improper behavior... If you want to judge someone on their actions or behavior...judge the person...
Actually I am judging him on his words. In his speech he made when he defended Rice he stated that the white community should not be judging anyone on their actions as we cannot understand their past. I will give him that. No one has the right to judge anyone who is not intentionally harming or infringing on the rights of others. Yet in that same speech he stated white people cannot understand the plight of minorities as we have been born with trust funds and do not live in the inner city areas. Personally I am white and have no trust fund and I was raised in the inner city of St. Louis. An area notorious for bad schools. drug use and gang violence. I understand it is no Compton or Queens but it is none the less not a very good placed to be raised. He also stated in that speech his white grandmother made racial slurs that made him uncomfortable as a child and young man. When questioned the next day about calling his grandmother a racist he stated He cannot blame her for her actions or ideas. She is just a typical white person. THAT is what I judge.
I don't believe racism has a place in todays world. Although it seems racism is accepted as long as it is coming from a minority. There is NO race or culture on earth that has not been oppressed or enslaved at some time in history. My family may be white but we came to the US in the early 1800's. They were forced to come here. Sold to rich families in PA and NY for taxes and rent on land stolen from them in Ireland. My family served as "indentured servants" for many many years until the civil war started and they fought AGAINST slavery. Yet I am still considered white and therefore a "typical white woman" and am thrown into generalizations of slave owners and oppressors. This I cannot accept. No one should accept generalizations of race, ---, or creed as it states in the Bill of Rights. In my mind now, to elect a President who has, in my mind at least, openly stated he is racist is the worst thing we could possibly do.
 

luv4jc123

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Something just seems off with this guy, and I agree, I don't want to vote for Hilary but I'm not going to vote for a guy that I think is somehow going to sabotage our country. I don't understand why better people aren't running for this position, but ?
 

darthtang aw

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Originally Posted by ANinaFish
http:///forum/post/2548837
Actually I am judging him on his words. In his speech he made when he defended Rice he stated that the white community should not be judging anyone on their actions as we cannot understand their past. I will give him that. No one has the right to judge anyone who is not intentionally harming or infringing on the rights of others. Yet in that same speech he stated white people cannot understand the plight of minorities as we have been born with trust funds and do not live in the inner city areas. Personally I am white and have no trust fund and I was raised in the inner city of St. Louis. An area notorious for bad schools. drug use and gang violence. I understand it is no Compton or Queens but it is none the less not a very good placed to be raised. He also stated in that speech his white grandmother made racial slurs that made him uncomfortable as a child and young man. When questioned the next day about calling his grandmother a racist he stated He cannot blame her for her actions or ideas. She is just a typical white person. THAT is what I judge.
I don't believe racism has a place in todays world. Although it seems racism is accepted as long as it is coming from a minority. There is NO race or culture on earth that has not been oppressed or enslaved at some time in history. My family may be white but we came to the US in the early 1800's. They were forced to come here. Sold to rich families in PA and NY for taxes and rent on land stolen from them in Ireland. My family served as "indentured servants" for many many years until the civil war started and they fought AGAINST slavery. Yet I am still considered white and therefore a "typical white woman" and am thrown into generalizations of slave owners and oppressors. This I cannot accept. No one should accept generalizations of race, ---, or creed as it states in the Bill of Rights. In my mind now, to elect a President who has, in my mind at least, openly stated he is racist is the worst thing we could possibly do.
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