Obama supporters. I have one question

[scubadoo]

Originally Posted by 1journeyman
http:///forum/post/2552340
*Interesting that McAin was at the MLK remembrance ceremony. Where was Obama?
*McCain will spend more than Obama????
*GOP Hate Machine?
*No matter how many votes McCain misses, I've yet to hear him say, MULTIPLE times, "Wait, I didn't meant to vote like that" after the vote count is done, like Obama in the Il. Senate...
*I've yet to see McCain hire an apparent apologist for Hamas to be one of his advisors.
If we are going to dicuss votinig on bills...let's also not forget that in Nobama's book he states you must vote yes or no..leaves the option of presnt out......but yet he decided to vote present numerous times. ( Please see earlier posts in thread for documentation).
The message Nobama's church is sending is contrary to the MLK message. This may explain his MIA....but that's up to Nobama to justify his absence.

 

[zman1]

Originally Posted by 1journeyman
http:///forum/post/2552340
*McCain will spend more than Obama????

Sure will - to a tune of trillions, like Bush.....
I want a president who will acutually read National Intelligence Estimates before waging war. Not someone who can't even get the enemy and training location accurate. Watch some of the video links of McCain I posted, no thank you... There are so many flip flop videos of McCain's own words out there.

 

[zman1]

Originally Posted by ScubaDoo
http:///forum/post/2552349
If we are going to dicuss votinig on bills...let's also not forget that in Nobama's book he states you must vote yes or no..leaves the option of presnt out......but yet he decided to vote present numerous times. ( Please see earlier posts in thread for documentation).
Obviously, you both think that's an issue, thought I'd share McCain's with you. I know that was a concern of yours and Journey countless times in previous post. However, Journey just posted that he over looks McCain's no vote record, I assume you do too. Is that bias and positioning I am sensing. I see, the old double standard trick.....

 

[zman1]

Originally Posted by 1journeyman
http:///forum/post/2552340
*Interesting that McAin was at the MLK remembrance ceremony..

Ditto - Presidential elections can cause candidates to do out of character things. Some may call it damage control from previously held positions....
Like change position on immigration, tax cuts ect...

 

[1journeyman]

Originally Posted by zman1
http:///forum/post/2552351
Sure will - to a tune of trillions, like Bush.....
I want a president who will acutually read National Intelligence Estimates before waging war. Not someone who can't even get the enemy and training location accurate. Watch some of the video links of McCain I posted, no thank you... There are so many flip flop videos of McCain's own words out there.
Obama's medical plan, alone, will cost billions, a year, to begin with...
Obama doesn't even have a clue we are fighting Al Qaeda in Iraq.

 

[1journeyman]

Originally Posted by zman1
http:///forum/post/2552354
Obviously, you both think that's an issue, thought I'd share McCain's with you. I know that was a concern of yours and Journey countless times in previous post. However, Journey just posted that he over looks McCain's no vote record, I assume you do too. Is that bias and positioning I am sensing. I see, the old double standard trick.....
Not at all. I want my Senators to vote.
I also want them to vote correctly, however. Not "oops, did I push "yes"?" I meant to push the "No" button...

 

[1journeyman]

Originally Posted by zman1
http:///forum/post/2552357
Ditto - Presidential elections can cause candidates to do out of character things. Some may call it damage control from previously held positions....
Like change position on immigration, tax cuts ect...
I like the position McCain now has on taxes and immigration.
Obama's positions still suck.

 

[scubadoo]

Originally Posted by zman1
http:///forum/post/2552354
Obviously, you both think that's an issue, thought I'd share McCain's with you. I know that was a concern of yours and Journey countless times in previous post. However, Journey just posted that he over looks McCain's no vote record, I assume you do too. Is that bias and positioning I am sensing. I see, the old double standard trick.....

He states in his book you must vote yes or no on bills....and then does the opposite 130 times. So, the point I am making is that he says one thing...but his record indicates another. Much like his campaign mantra is contrary to his record.
You do not have to agree with the position I have...but you seem to have some trouble understanding the point I am making.
I thought it was explicit enough...but perhaps not.

 

[scubadoo]

I also see NObama has employed Penny Subprime

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Queen Pritzker as his campaign finance chair.
I've sat here and read posts by some Nobama supporters stating how lenders have taken advatage of borrowers...yet we have the Chapion of this leading the finances for Nobama.
Wow...let's hope that is not a person that would be given some high economic role in the NObama presidency.

 

[scubadoo]

I also see NObama has employed Penny Subprime Queen Pritzker as his campaign finance chair.
I've sat here and read posts by some Nobama supporters stating how lenders have taken advatage of borrowers...yet we have the Champion of this leading the finances for Nobama.
Wow...let's hope that is not a person that would be given some high economic role in the NObama presidency.

 

[scubadoo]

Originally Posted by 1journeyman
http:///forum/post/2552360
Obama's medical plan, alone, will cost billions, a year, to begin with...
Obama doesn't even have a clue we are fighting Al Qaeda in Iraq.
Some place that price tag closer to a trillion for his socialized take over of the medical industry.
As for as knowing about AQ in Iraq......he was not present when the subject matter was discussed and did not read the bulletins.

 

[1journeyman]

How about we address the fact that Obama's Church apparently supports the message and goals of Hamas?
You know Hamas... one of the International Terrorism Groups Saddam supported.
The same Hamas that has repeatedly called for attacks against Americans and attacks on our homeland.
The same Hamas that refuses to acknowledge israel's right to exist.
The same Hamas that as recently as last month launched an attack into a Jewish school and killed 8 unarmed students.
The same Hamas that routinely fires unguided rockets into civilian populations.
The same Hamas responsible for the death of hundreds of civilians to homicide bombers.
The same Hamas that intercepts food and medical supplies meant to aid palestinian civilians
The same Hamas admits to using women and children as human shields.
Let me guess; Obama wasn't present the multiple times when his church published letters and pro-Hamas articles. Let me guess; No one in the church ever discussed Hamas when Obama was around...

 

[scubadoo]

Originally Posted by zman1
http:///forum/post/2552354
Obviously, you both think that's an issue, thought I'd share McCain's with you. I know that was a concern of yours and Journey countless times in previous post. However, Journey just posted that he over looks McCain's no vote record, I assume you do too. Is that bias and positioning I am sensing. I see, the old double standard trick.....
Forgot to mention I want them to vote as well.
I would also like them to be informed on the matter...and not claim they did not know because they were not present for the debates and/or did not get the memo or bulletin.
Also, not jump up and claim I meant to vote no instead of yes or yes instead of no. Attaining the cognitive skill to determnie the no from the yes button is important I would think. It's probably about as diffiicult as learning the round circle does not fit the square.....but perhaps political cover could explain the matter too.

 

[scubadoo]

Originally Posted by 1journeyman
http:///forum/post/2552369
How about we address the fact that Obama's Church apparently supports the message and goals of Hamas?
I believe I asked that same q a couple times but not one Nobama suppoter has answered.
I beleive you have it covered though regarding the excuse.
Since when did terrorism become an issue for discussion? Let's talk about hope and change and change and hope. We can fight the terrorists with a change rally and launch hope bombs.

 

[scubadoo]

Originally Posted by zman1
http:///forum/post/2552354
Obviously, you both think that's an issue, thought I'd share McCain's with you. I know that was a concern of yours and Journey countless times in previous post. However, Journey just posted that he over looks McCain's no vote record, I assume you do too. Is that bias and positioning I am sensing. I see, the old double standard trick.....
So..is it your positon that if McCain voted more...he'd be left of NObama? You'd fall of the planet if you had to stand left of NObama.
NObama remains the far left champion for 2007. You should be proud of your candidate if that's where you stand on issues.
YOu evidently once again missed my point .....so..I'll try yet again.
NObama's voting record places him far left...even left of his socialist buddies and left of Ted Kennedy..which is hard to do. This is contray to his mantra of uniting..as America does not stand far left. If I'm wrong regarding the overall position of America.....maybe I didn't get the bulletin or I missed the broadcasts.

 

[reefraff]

Originally Posted by zman1
http:///forum/post/2552351
Sure will - to a tune of trillions, like Bush.....
I want a president who will acutually read National Intelligence Estimates before waging war. Not someone who can't even get the enemy and training location accurate. Watch some of the video links of McCain I posted, no thank you... There are so many flip flop videos of McCain's own words out there.
Voting for the bill before you voted against it is a flip flop. An election year conversion is a flip flop. Look at the video of McCain. The second Lieberman told him he said Al Qeada Mc Cain caught it and corrected himself. Kinda lame to try and equate that to Kerry's flip flop.

 

[scubadoo]

I have read on the net that Nobama's church has been scrubbing the net regarding bulletins, links to trumpet magazine, etc.
After searching for some time, I discovered a site that contains MANY bulletins form the church http://www.scribd.com/search?query=t...chicago+titles
The pastor page in each bulletin contain the writings of Wright. This should be a good soucre to either prove Nobama is correct Wright only mentioned the hate a few times....or prove him wrong.
I'm not certain how much longer these will be avialable for viewing/reading.

 

[reefraff]

Originally Posted by zman1
http:///forum/post/2552357
Ditto - Presidential elections can cause candidates to do out of character things. Some may call it damage control from previously held positions....
Like change position on immigration, tax cuts ect...
What does McCain have to fear? That 90% of Black voters will vote Democrat? Oh, yeah they already do

McCain pushed for the state holiday in 89 I believe. Honestly if they wanted to dump Columbus day for MLK day I would have been cool with it although I would prefer just civil rights day. Nothing against people in the employ of the federal government but how many of those holidays do you get off? (work I mean

)

 

[scubadoo]

Originally Posted by ScubaDoo
http:///forum/post/2552382
I have read on the net that Nobama's church has been scrubbing the net regarding bulletins, links to trumpet magazine, etc.
After searching for some time, I discovered a site that contains MANY bulletins form the church http://www.scribd.com/search?query=t...chicago+titles
The pastor page in each bulletin contain the writings of Wright. This should be a good soucre to either prove Nobama is correct Wright only mentioned the hate a few times....or prove him wrong.
I'm not certain how much longer these will be avialable for viewing/reading.
Goodness..I just randomly selected three bulletins and I read more poison /hate from Wright . Maybe it was just the luck of the draw.

 

[stdreb27]

Originally Posted by zman1
http:///forum/post/2551894
I didn't say Scooby Doo....
I take it though by your direct comment to me, you were trying the shoe on, does it fit?
Actions of fear and hate of the GOP. Tactics -try to destroy the others since your candidate doesn't offer much of anything. The McCain gaffs are endless, are they really gaffs or just out of touch and confused....
Talk about conspiracy theories.
McCainBush - true spending that will bankrupt the country - we can't afford...
I love this, accusing the other side of attempting to destroy others while continuing your clearly admitted to misnomer of McCainBush.