obama the begger

deejeff442

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look at the idiot harry reid.he has not brought one bill the repubs came up with to a vote.so the president doesnt controll much. congress with a what?7% american approval.thats where the problem lies.need to replace all of them although obama and his keep everyone poor attitude dont help
 

bionicarm

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Originally Posted by ironeagle2006 http:///t/393048/obama-the-begger/40#post_3494444
Bionic I am going to put it in terms you MIGHT understand. 14 Years ago UNDER CLINTON the EPA deceided OWN THEIR OWN that OTR Trucks Produced to Much Pollution going down the Road and SUED the Makers for 100 BILLION DOLLARS and refused to Certify any NEW Engines for Sale in the USA starting with the 2001 Model Year. They had NO Proof of this happening Nothing like that They just Decided they wanted to do it. Here is what it cost the Makers to get the Suit Settled they had to Agree to New Standards that were ALREADY COMING DOWN THE PIPELING IN 1/2 the TIME NOW. The Stuff that should have been out in 2008 Now Came out in 04 the Stuff that was supposed to be in 2013 Now called 2008 its New Home and the Stuff that came out Last year that was Not due out til 2017 Orginally. What happens when you RUSH something into Production BEFORE you can Test it Properly can you say IT SCREWS THE POOCH BIG TIME.
Engines that used to get 7-8 MPG went to Barely Getting 5 some got 4. Reliablity Dropped like a ROCK engines used to last 1 Million Miles Before they needed to be Overhauled now companies Celebrate if they are getting 600K miles out of the SAME ENGINES. Then throw in a Differant Fuel needed that Costs more to Make ULSD it has only 15PPM of Sulpher instead of 50 or Less in LSD the old Standard but costs 80% more to REFINE. So what happens to Fuel Costs and Therefore Transportation Costs they JUMP. I asked a local Farmer that uses LSD what he pays a Gallon for Fuel he gets his for his Tractors for 1.23 a gallon Delivered Plus all taxes it would be 2 Bucks a Gallon for Highway useage. Diesel is Near 4.50 a Gallon Nationwide Average for ULSD Then throw in 4 Rewrites of the HOS plus all the Other Regulations that the OTR Industry has to Comply with and NO Wonder it costs 2-3 bucks a Mile to move ANYTHING in this nation. 12 Years ago you could haul for 1.25-150 and make a Decent Profit at that.
Yet you say Regulations are NOT A PROBLEM. 12 Years ago someone could survive on 1/2 of what they needed NOW in the Industry that hauls Everything you USE IN YOUR HOUSE and the Costs going up are all based on over REGULATIONS.
Dude, I know more about the heavy truck industry than you think. One of my customers builds wiring harnesses for Freightliner, Mack, and International. That industry has changed engine requirements based on various standards for decades. It's a typical Ebb and Tide industry.
 

bionicarm

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Originally Posted by reefraff http:///t/393048/obama-the-begger/40#post_3494448
Oh Lord help us, I gotta use math on a Democrat LOL!
Let's say you make 23K a year. Your cost of living is 36K a year so you've been living on the credit cards for a while. Your credit card debt is 140K. You add about 13K a year to that debt currently. How long is it going to take you to dig your way out of that hole? Before you can even start digging out you have a 13,000.00 deficit to make up for. That's 50% of your current income. You need to either cut your cost of living and get yourself a huge pay raise. Change thousands to Trillions and welcome to the Federal budget v2011
How many jobs has GM sent to china since we bailed them out? How many thousands lost their jobs when they closed all those dealerships? Yet we are out a minimum of 26 billion and rising. Oh, those mining job fatalities? Not even in the top 10 LOL! And that deaths per 100,000 workers so it's already weighted to account for number of people in a given occupation. http://money.cnn.com/2006/08/16/pf/2005_most_dangerous_jobs/index.htm
You notice your link doesn't claim 0bama is issuing as many permits as when he took office? And according to you Democrats it takes 10 years before any oil makes it to market once a project is approved so these increases are from permits issued by Bush. The real number is about 3 years but still. AND AND AND Most all the increase in production is taking place on private and state lands. As far as unused leases you do realize not all land has oil below it? Some of those leases have no oil or there simply isn't enough to make it worth taking a shot at it. A friend of mine's family sold land they had in oil rich Oklahoma. They held on to the mineral rights. They have leased out those rights to a company for the last 15 or so years yet not one well has been drilled on their land. The lease holder is paying a few grand a year waiting for someone else to take a chance on that formation rather than drop a million or so on an exploratory well. It's how the game is played.
That's exactly how the game is played, and why your logic about Obama not issuing permits is flawed. Oil companies aren't requesting new leases because they don't want to spend money on the leases they already have. Blame the industry, not the Administration.
How many thousands of existing jobs would've been lost if we'd simply allow GM and Chrysler to fail? Dealerships closed because it's called streamlining to make your business profitable. Why spend more money tooling and building cars for a dealership that sells maybe 10 cars per month? There's no profit margin in it.
You're also right on your little economic analogy. Like I said, cut your biggest expenses (i.e SS, Medicare, and Military) and/or "give yourself a huge pay raise" (i.e raise taxes). As of right now, it's easier to raise taxes than try to pry SS, Medicare, and the Defense Budget from a Republican's dead cold hands.
 

bionicarm

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Originally Posted by Darthtang AW http:///t/393048/obama-the-begger/40#post_3494450
What makes the Tea Party Radical?
15 Non-negotiable Core Beliefs
1. Illegal aliens are here illegally.
2. Pro-domestic employment is indispensable.
3. A strong military is essential.
4. Special interests must be eliminated.
5. Gun ownership is sacred.
6. Government must be downsized.
7. The national budget must be balanced.
8. Deficit spending must end.
9. Bailout and stimulus plans are illegal.
10. Reducing personal income taxes is a must.
11. Reducing business income taxes is mandatory.
12. Political offices must be available to average citizens.
13. Intrusive government must be stopped.
14. English as our core language is required.
15. Traditional family values are encouraged.
#2. Translation - let's keep the maids and garbage collectors employed so we can enjoy our beach veranda's
#3 - Translation - Let's invade any country we feel needs to be "Democratized", even if it adds $1 trillion or more to our national debt.
#4 Special interest groups have been the since Lincoln. Good luck with that one.
#5 We all know how important it is to defend ourselves from that Phantom Evil that Limbaygh and Fox News tells us is lurking
#7 Can't balance a budget when you can't get Congress to agree what needs balancing
#8 Whack SS, Medicare, and the Military budget and this problem is solved
#10 We've had reduced income taxes since 2002. How's that working for the economy?
#12 Which political offices are closed? You mean the same one's the Tea Partiers are roosting in?
#13 Everyone's definition of "intrusive government" is different. You want complete Isolationism. My local city government is more intrusive than the Feds have ever been. Don't see any Tea Baggers fighting that cause. Oh wait, I'm supposed to use the Darth Logic - "If you don't like the rules and laws where you live, simply move". If I did that, I'd be moving every month, or might as well live in an RV.
#14 One of the main reasons they have a convoluted understanding of how a Fedeal Government works. How exactly do you communicate with any foreign nationals if you only know one language? That's why foreign countries hate us so much. We expect them to bow down and cater to our demands. Travel the world. Look and see the average number of languages any other country in this world know per capita of citizens. The United States is probably the only known country where you're not expected to know another language, or better yet, should know at least one other language if not more. Of course not, we're too arrogant to do something like that. Speak our language or don't speak at all. Now that's the way to run a country...
#15 That's what we need. Let's go back to Leave It To Beaver or Mayberry RFD. "Gee Wally! We need to say please before we ask to take over that country." Define "traditional family values."
 

darthtang aw

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How many thousands of existing jobs would've been lost if we'd simply allow GM and Chrysler to fail?  Dealerships closed because it's called streamlining to make your business profitable.  Why spend more money tooling and building cars for a dealership that sells maybe 10 cars per month?  There's no profit margin in it.
They wouldn't have failed. They would have filed bankruptsy and retooled then....Oh wait...that is what they did anyway................
 

bionicarm

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Originally Posted by Darthtang AW http:///t/393048/obama-the-begger/40#post_3494452
So you are saying it doesn't matter who is President?
As divided as Congress is today, you could dig Reagan up and have him serve a third term and it wouldn't be any different. If McCain would've won, we'd still be in this mess. That's what's comical about all this noise of whose going to win the Presidential election. The one that matters is the Senate and House races. Flip either one of those the other direction, and it completely changes the ball game.
 

reefraff

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Originally Posted by bionicarm http:///t/393048/obama-the-begger/60#post_3494480
That's exactly how the game is played, and why your logic about Obama not issuing permits is flawed. Oil companies aren't requesting new leases because they don't want to spend money on the leases they already have. Blame the industry, not the Administration.
How many thousands of existing jobs would've been lost if we'd simply allow GM and Chrysler to fail? Dealerships closed because it's called streamlining to make your business profitable. Why spend more money tooling and building cars for a dealership that sells maybe 10 cars per month? There's no profit margin in it.
You're also right on your little economic analogy. Like I said, cut your biggest expenses (i.e SS, Medicare, and Military) and/or "give yourself a huge pay raise" (i.e raise taxes). As of right now, it's easier to raise taxes than try to pry SS, Medicare, and the Defense Budget from a Republican's dead cold hands.
Oil companies are requesting new leases. 0bama wont allow leasing in the areas the oil companies believe hold the most promise. We still don't have as many rigs in the gulf as we did in 2009.
Chrysler nor GM would have failed. So it's OK to close dealerships to streamline but it's not OK to outsource jobs to do the same thing? OK......
There's room for cuts in the military budget but don't you think it makes since to cut crap like free cell phones and services and foreign aid to countries who constantly vote against us in the UN before cutting essential things like the Military and SS.
 

darthtang aw

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As divided as Congress is today, you could dig Reagan up and have him serve a third term and it wouldn't be any different. 
Therer is no more difference to day than there was then. We just hear it more as their are more information avenues. Reagan understood compromise...He understood leadership. No other candidate has every won by his electoral margin, because he understood the country as a whole. Sure there were detractors...Reagan never told congress you guys lost so get out of the way and let me run things. He had a democrat congress through and through...and got tax cuts, immigration reform, etc...passed. Immigration reform was a compromise. He gave that law the dems wanted in exchange for another. That is how you compromise. That is how there remains balance. Obama does NOT compromise...it is his way or no way. His calls or nothing.
 

reefraff

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Originally Posted by Darthtang AW http:///t/393048/obama-the-begger/60#post_3494490
Therer is no more difference to day than there was then. We just hear it more as their are more information avenues. Reagan understood compromise...He understood leadership. No other candidate has every won by his electoral margin, because he understood the country as a whole. Sure there were detractors...Reagan never told congress you guys lost so get out of the way and let me run things. He had a democrat congress through and through...and got tax cuts, immigration reform, etc...passed. Immigration reform was a compromise. He gave that law the dems wanted in exchange for another. That is how you compromise. That is how there remains balance. Obama does NOT compromise...it is his way or no way. His calls or nothing.
And that's the thing. 0bama uses hard line Chicago tactics and it doesn't work in DC. Bush came from a state where he had to compromise and it carried over pretty well his first few years in office but the Democrats changed the tone going into the 04 election. Remember "Miserable failure"?
 

bionicarm

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Oil companies are requesting new leases. 0bama wont allow leasing in the areas the oil companies believe hold the most promise. We still don't have as many rigs in the gulf as we did in 2009.
Chrysler nor GM would have failed. So it's OK to close dealerships to streamline but it's not OK to outsource jobs to do the same thing? OK......
There's room for cuts in the military budget but don't you think it makes since to cut crap like free cell phones and services and foreign aid to countries who constantly vote against us in the UN before cutting essential things like the Military and SS.
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I don't know where you're getting your information about Obama restricting oil leases. Everything I've read shows he's allowed more than Bush.
You're nit picking trying to reduce spending with these small discretionary spending cuts. To put any major dent in the deficit, you have to drastically cut one or more of the Big Three. Otherwise you're just spinning your wheels. History shows that all that will happen is some other useless boondoggle will pop up to pacify some lobbyist group that lined the pockets of one or more politicians.
 

bionicarm

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Therer is no more difference to day than there was then. We just hear it more as their are more information avenues. Reagan understood compromise...He understood leadership. No other candidate has every won by his electoral margin, because he understood the country as a whole. Sure there were detractors...Reagan never told congress you guys lost so get out of the way and let me run things. He had a democrat congress through and through...and got tax cuts, immigration reform, etc...passed. Immigration reform was a compromise. He gave that law the dems wanted in exchange for another. That is how you compromise. That is how there remains balance. Obama does NOT compromise...it is his way or no way. His calls or nothing.
And you're telling me Boehner and McConnell live with "m'sssy way or the highway" mentality? You're the President, and the odpposindg party wins the House, and the first thing that comes out of the Speakers mouth is "Our sole mission. is to. make Obama a one term. President ', how. would. you. read. regarding. compromise?
 

darthtang aw

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And you're telling me Boehner and McConnell live with "m'sssy way or the highway" mentality? You're the President, and the odpposindg party wins the House, and the first thing that comes out of the Speakers mouth is "Our sole mission. is to. make Obama a one term. President ', how. would. you. read. regarding. compromise?
If I had said "you lost the election so be quiet and get out of the way" I would probably expect such a comment since I have already made cLear I have nO intention of compromising or working with opposing policy makers.
 

reefraff

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Originally Posted by bionicarm http:///t/393048/obama-the-begger/60#post_3494534
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Originally Posted by reefraff
http:///t/393048/obama-the-begger/60#post_3494486
Oil companies are requesting new leases. 0bama wont allow leasing in the areas the oil companies believe hold the most promise. We still don't have as many rigs in the gulf as we did in 2009.
Chrysler nor GM would have failed. So it's OK to close dealerships to streamline but it's not OK to outsource jobs to do the same thing? OK......
There's room for cuts in the military budget but don't you think it makes since to cut crap like free cell phones and services and foreign aid to countries who constantly vote against us in the UN before cutting essential things like the Military and SS.
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I don't know where you're getting your information about Obama restricting oil leases. Everything I've read shows he's allowed more than Bush.
You're nit picking trying to reduce spending with these small discretionary spending cuts. To put any major dent in the deficit, you have to drastically cut one or more of the Big Three. Otherwise you're just spinning your wheels. History shows that all that will happen is some other useless boondoggle will pop up to pacify some lobbyist group that lined the pockets of one or more politicians.
Maybe you should looks somewhere besides the 0bama campaign website.
http://www.usnews.com/opinion/blogs/on-energy/2012/01/13/obama-administration-exaggerates-success-in-oil-and-gas-leases
http://www.blm.gov/pgdata/etc/medialib/blm/wo/MINERALS__REALTY__AND_RESOURCE_PROTECTION_/energy/oil___gas_statistics/data_sets.Par.65795.File.dat/table08.pdf
As far as getting spending under control the journey of a thousand miles starts with a step. You gotta start somewhere. Until we get a real leader in the White House we can't deal with the big issues. I don;t know that Romney has that kind of abilities but I know for a fact 0bama doesn't. It's going to take a person who doesn't come from an overly partisan background which does give me hope for Romney. He sure as hell didn't act as a hardline conservative as governor.
 

reefraff

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Originally Posted by bionicarm http:///t/393048/obama-the-begger/60#post_3494536
And you're telling me Boehner and McConnell live with "m'sssy way or the highway" mentality? You're the President, and the odpposindg party wins the House, and the first thing that comes out of the Speakers mouth is "Our sole mission. is to. make Obama a one term. President ', how. would. you. read. regarding. compromise?
First off it wasn't the speaker, it was the Senate leader. Secondly despite what you see claimed by the liberal media hacks he said it not when 0bama took office but in October of 2010 well after 0bama had already set the tone.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fact-checker/post/when-did-mcconnell-say-he-wanted-to-make-obama-a-one-term-president/2012/09/24/79fd5cd8-0696-11e2-afff-d6c7f20a83bf_blog.html
And despite what the liberal media hacks claim here is what McConnell actually said NJ= National journal.
NJ: What does this mean now?
McConnell: We need to be honest with the public. This election is about them, not us. And we need to treat this election as the first step in retaking the government. We need to say to everyone on Election Day, “Those of you who helped make this a good day, you need to go out and help us finish the job.”
NJ: What’s the job?
McConnell: The single most important thing we want to achieve is for President Obama to be a one-term president.
NJ: Does that mean endless, or at least frequent, confrontation with the president?
McConnell: If President Obama does a Clintonian backflip, if he’s willing to meet us halfway on some of the biggest issues, it’s not inappropriate for us to do business with him.
And people wonder how 0bama is still in the race as bad as he's effed up the country. He's has billions in free propaganda advertising and spin control from the media
 

bionicarm

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Originally Posted by reefraff http:///t/393048/obama-the-begger/60#post_3494539
First off it wasn't the speaker, it was the Senate leader. Secondly despite what you see claimed by the liberal media hacks he said it not when 0bama took office but in October of 2010 well after 0bama had already set the tone.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fact-checker/post/when-did-mcconnell-say-he-wanted-to-make-obama-a-one-term-president/2012/09/24/79fd5cd8-0696-11e2-afff-d6c7f20a83bf_blog.html
And despite what the liberal media hacks claim here is what McConnell actually said NJ= National journal.
NJ: What does this mean now?
McConnell: We need to be honest with the public. This election is about them, not us. And we need to treat this election as the first step in retaking the government. We need to say to everyone on Election Day, “Those of you who helped make this a good day, you need to go out and help us finish the job.”
NJ: What’s the job?
McConnell: The single most important thing we want to achieve is for President Obama to be a one-term president.
NJ: Does that mean endless, or at least frequent, confrontation with the president?
McConnell: If President Obama does a Clintonian backflip, if he’s willing to meet us halfway on some of the biggest issues, it’s not inappropriate for us to do business with him.
And people wonder how 0bama is still in the race as bad as he's effed up the country. He's has billions in free propaganda advertising and spin control from the media
The country was effed up before and when he got into office. We were in a deep recession for two years before he started in January, 2009. He even stated as much in his campaign that it would take at least 10 years to put a major dent in the deficit. He made a promise to try and cut it in half, but the stimulus packages and other measures he tried backfired, mainly due to the lack of support from the Republican House. His first attempt at balancing the budget, he did make several compromises. But then he asked for another $500 billion in defense tax cuts and Bonehead and McConnelll balked. Again, the typical NeoCon "my way or the highway" attitude. In the last two years, everything you've heard from the Right is "Nobama the One Term President". I've rarely if ever heard them state anything positive about his economic growth proposals, and they constantly found flaws where there were none. Just look at the multitude of Fox News outlets, and these moronic radio hosts like Limbaugh if you want to talk about billions in free propaganda advertising. All they do is spew hate and misinformation that incites the feeble minded. I get on these other political boards sometimes, and they are filled with all these retired seniors that bloviate the same talking points you here directly from the aforementioned sources. When you provide them verifiable facts, they just deflect "Try getting your information from somewhere besides MSN and other Liberal media outlets,..." Sound familiar?
 

bionicarm

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http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=oil%20lease%20permit%20for%202010&source=web&cd=10&ved=0CGMQFjAJ&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.whitehouse.gov%2Fsites%2Fdefault%2Ffiles%2Ffact_sheet_expanding_oil_production.pdf&ei=xfVmUJ7vOO7-2QWTs4DoAg&usg=AFQjCNHg0H6U_waQDZKUYXEEE8kOtgIEbA
I do look at other sources. Maybe you should do the same:
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970203893404577098773281211592.htmlI do look at other sources.
 

reefraff

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Originally Posted by bionicarm http:///t/393048/obama-the-begger/60#post_3494547
The country was effed up before and when he got into office. We were in a deep recession for two years before he started in January, 2009. He even stated as much in his campaign that it would take at least 10 years to put a major dent in the deficit. He made a promise to try and cut it in half, but the stimulus packages and other measures he tried backfired, mainly due to the lack of support from the Republican House. His first attempt at balancing the budget, he did make several compromises. But then he asked for another $500 billion in defense tax cuts and Bonehead and McConnelll balked. Again, the typical NeoCon "my way or the highway" attitude. In the last two years, everything you've heard from the Right is "Nobama the One Term President". I've rarely if ever heard them state anything positive about his economic growth proposals, and they constantly found flaws where there were none. Just look at the multitude of Fox News outlets, and these moronic radio hosts like Limbaugh if you want to talk about billions in free propaganda advertising. All they do is spew hate and misinformation that incites the feeble minded. I get on these other political boards sometimes, and they are filled with all these retired seniors that bloviate the same talking points you here directly from the aforementioned sources. When you provide them verifiable facts, they just deflect "Try getting your information from somewhere besides MSN and other Liberal media outlets,..." Sound familiar?
He had Democrats in control of the House and a Fillibuster proof majority in the Senate when he passed his stimulus. Can't blame the Republicans for his failed policy. And if you want to talk about hate in the media tune into MSNBC. You have hosts there who made fun of Tony Snow when he died. Purposely edit video clips to fit their anti Republican agenda and omit information from wire stories to try to skew it to meet their agenda. But you go ahead with your irrational hatred of Fox.
 

reefraff

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Originally Posted by bionicarm http:///t/393048/obama-the-begger/60#post_3494548
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=oil%20lease%20permit%20for%202010&source=web&cd=10&ved=0CGMQFjAJ&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.whitehouse.gov%2Fsites%2Fdefault%2Ffiles%2Ffact_sheet_expanding_oil_production.pdf&ei=xfVmUJ7vOO7-2QWTs4DoAg&usg=AFQjCNHg0H6U_waQDZKUYXEEE8kOtgIEbA
I do look at other sources. Maybe you should do the same:
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970203893404577098773281211592.htmlI do look at other sources.
Seriously? You are disputing the cold hard facts as issued by the government agency in charge of issuing the leases and drilling permits? Look again at the address on the link
http://www.blm.gov/pgdata/etc/medialib/blm/wo/MINERALS__REALTY__AND_RESOURCE_PROTECTION_/energy/oil___gas_statistics/data_sets.Par.65795.File.dat/table08.pdf
BLM.GOV isn't a credible enough source for you?
And the Lie House propaganda points to 2010 production. You Democrats constantly clam it take 10 years to bring new oil to market. Truth is it takes about 3. So 0bama is spiking the ball on Bushes touchdown. 0bama isn't making oil companies shut down already producing wells, HE'S NOT ISSUING NEW LEASES OR PERMITS at the same rate as the Bush administration did. In fact 2010 which he was touting production set the record for having the fewest federal permits issued since the government started tracking the number.
 

bionicarm

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Originally Posted by reefraff http:///t/393048/obama-the-begger/60#post_3494557
Seriously? You are disputing the cold hard facts as issued by the government agency in charge of issuing the leases and drilling permits? Look again at the address on the link
http://www.blm.gov/pgdata/etc/medialib/blm/wo/MINERALS__REALTY__AND_RESOURCE_PROTECTION_/energy/oil___gas_statistics/data_sets.Par.65795.File.dat/table08.pdf
BLM.GOV isn't a credible enough source for you?
And the Lie House propaganda points to 2010 production. You Democrats constantly clam it take 10 years to bring new oil to market. Truth is it takes about 3. So 0bama is spiking the ball on Bushes touchdown. 0bama isn't making oil companies shut down already producing wells, HE'S NOT ISSUING NEW LEASES OR PERMITS at the same rate as the Bush administration did. In fact 2010 which he was touting production set the record for having the fewest federal permits issued since the government started tracking the number.
The permits aren't being issued because THE OIL COMPANIES DON'T WANT THEM. They've got hundreds of leases where it's not cost effective to drill.
The data in the report, which go back to 2003, show that there was indeed a large decline in oil production on federal lands and waters in 2011. But that observation belies the fact that federal lands and waters were exceptionally productive during 2010, outstripping any year's productivity during the Bush administration. Indeed, the average productivity on federal land and waters during the four Bush years, 2003-2008, was 634 million barrels per year. During the three Obama years, 2009-2011, it was 676 million barrels. During the Bush years, federal lands produced roughly 33 percent of the national output on average. During the Obama years, they produced roughly 34 percent. [Columbia Journalism Review, 3/22/12]
http://mediamatters.org/research/2012/04/12/myths-and-facts-about-oil-and-gasoline/184527#federal
 

reefraff

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Originally Posted by bionicarm http:///t/393048/obama-the-begger/60#post_3494570
The permits aren't being issued because THE OIL COMPANIES DON'T WANT THEM. They've got hundreds of leases where it's not cost effective to drill.
The data in the report, which go back to 2003, show that there was indeed a large decline in oil production on federal lands and waters in 2011. But that observation belies the fact that federal lands and waters were exceptionally productive during 2010, outstripping any year's productivity during the Bush administration. Indeed, the average productivity on federal land and waters during the four Bush years, 2003-2008, was 634 million barrels per year. During the three Obama years, 2009-2011, it was 676 million barrels. During the Bush years, federal lands produced roughly 33 percent of the national output on average. During the Obama years, they produced roughly 34 percent. [Columbia Journalism Review, 3/22/12]
http://mediamatters.org/research/2012/04/12/myths-and-facts-about-oil-and-gasoline/184527#federal
Media matters LOL! Their stated goal is to take out Fox. Like I said, the BLM is the government agency that issues the permits and leases. Why look any further than their statistics.
Let's try this again. 2010 oil production isn't because anything 0bama did. Those wells were permitted before 0bama took office. If they were offshore they were drilled before 0bama took office. He has no influence over them one way or another. What he did do, and again look at the government records from the government website I linked, is declined issuing permits. Coming into office 0bama blocked planned sales off both the east and west coasts. Those are productive areas the oil companies want to drill in.
Here's more on oil production. Federal offshore production peaked in 2010 and has declined since then. http://refinerynews.com/us-oil-production-up-but-on-whose-lands/
 
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