Our Future?

mr. guitar

Member
Originally Posted by MIKE22cha
Mr. Guitar that is one reason I also don't think the world is going to end because of global warming. But from a Christian standpoint, God gave us this earth, so we should take care of it. I think that we do need to decrease our wasting, but I doesn't require making all of America treehugers.
How much is required to stop global warming? Has anyone googled global warming yet?
I agree but I'm not worried about it to much. I'm more worried more about how much I praise the Lord.
 

mr. guitar

Member
Originally Posted by MIKE22cha
Yes, thank you for adding a lot of good points into this discussion. The earth has gone through many stages, and who knows what will happen till its over.
I know someone who knows the answer!!! God!
 

mr. guitar

Member
Originally Posted by texanangel
Well then, let us know if He tells you.
Mercy knows we could all use help.

Sorry if I offened anyone by saying I know someone who knows. I'm a little spirit filled right now becaue I'm listenin to this awesome song by Tommy Bates.
 

reefreak29

Active Member
Originally Posted by Mr. Guitar
I know someone who knows the answer!!! God!

its really all in his hands and theres nothing we can do about it so im not worried ill only die once
 

mr. guitar

Member
Originally Posted by reefreak29
its really all in his hands and theres nothing we can do about it so im not worried ill only die once
Yep...all in His hands. We'll die once but live forever! How cool is that?!
 

texanangel

Member
It didn't offend me, I was trying (though I appeared to have failed) to be witty. Sigh, it's a problem I have, sorry.
 

mr. guitar

Member
Originally Posted by texanangel
It didn't offend me, I was trying (though I appeared to have failed) to be witty. Sigh, it's a problem I have, sorry.
Ok just making sure because some people get mad at me for talking about God, but I usually continue to talk about Him anyway. haha.
 

dogstar

Active Member
Firefish9...
If I remember right, your pretty young, just a kid ( I dont mean that as an insult )...Im 47 years old myself for comparison...
I want to say to you that I think its great that you have concerns about this topic and that you are brave and smart enough to want a discussion and to ask questions about it.
Athough everyone here might seem to have their own thoughts about this, and that theres nothing wrong with them letting you know them, I dont think its the best place to try to learn scientific or truthfull details from on this subject.
Haveing said this, I dont want you to think that peoples opinoins are not important....they are. They are what drives others to ask questions, do research, take actions and learn the truth.....Hopefully you will continue to seek the answers to these questions. Answers that you can relly on to help ease or elevate your concerns. Which ever it may be.
I can't tell you the truth about this myself because I dont know either...I will tell you, that like you, I am concerned also.
Its hard to beleive one way or the other because of so many differing opinons that one heres and everything that seems to be said by someone is contridited by someone else.
So....some of my unprofesional thoughts....Its true that the earth has undergone many drastic and not so drastic changes in its climate thru its history and will again...
Each of these changes has and will have an effect on life on the planet to one degree or another....Every change that has taken place up untill now, can not be atributed to being cuased by man.
That leads us to now....
If you beleive the climate is changeing then ask why is it changeing ?? To what degree will it change ?? What effect will the change have on life, yourself, your family, your future, mankind ??
Many beleive its not changeing and no reason to talk about it. Others say it is but it has nothing to do with man. Others say its going thru a change and man is helping to excellerate it, others say its all because of man, so on and so on....
Some that say man is responsible or partly responsible but theres '' nothing '' that can be done about it and others say that there '' is '' things that can be done....some say why even try and others say we should at least try.
What do you, who do you beleive ??
Now. I cant say that this is a natural cycle or its being cause be increased activity on the sun or any other nutural cause of nature because the truth is that I dont know and am willing to say so.
But I can not see how a nearly century of ever increasing amounts of automobiles and other forms tranportation like airplains, shipping, ect. world wide, the ever increasing amounts of industrilization world wide, human population, deforestation, local to global polluting, ect. is haveing '' no '' effect on the atmoshere to a point to where it has '' no '' effect on the way the atmoshere reacts as far as temperatures, and weather patterns that can in turn cause other changeing patterns that in turn cause more and more changes that could just end up throwing the whole planet into a point of no return..A spinning top, that you give it just the slightest little bump and it might recover or it might just go crazy to the point of no return....I know that thats a worst case example but could it be ??..It just seems like it would have too have some effect to me....But thats just me. And Im not a scientist by no means....
If it is true and again, I cant say that it is, but if it is, then can we really not do anything about it ?? Should we even try ?? Well what would be the results if we dont ? I cant say. What would be the results if we did ? I cant say that either.
I think that we should all be concernd and to insist on further research and to continue to try to know untill we all do know, one way or the other.
Keep up trying to find out because it is or might be important IMO, to us all.
 

jerthunter

Active Member
Things change, if they didn't life would be boring. The climate of the world has changed since before we were here and it will undoubtably change after we are gone. If there was no global warming the area I am living now would still be covered in hundreds of feet of ice. I just don't understand how we value the changes that got us here but fear any future change.
Ok, so that was my opinion but now I have a question. I hear that global warming is melting the ice caps which is raising the ocean level. What I don't understand is how this is possible, since ice takes up more volume compared to water and it floats with 80% of its mass (I think that is the figure) underwater. If it melts it takes up less volume so how would that change the ocean level? This isn't a sarcastic question, I seriously don't understand this concept and would appreciate any insight into it.
 

jovial

Member
Volume stays constant, it just takes on a different form i.e vapor, solid or liquid. Like melting ice cubes in a glass, they will eventually cause it to overflow. As someone mentioned before, the additional precipitation from the melting ice will cause snowfalls in other areas...big ones. Scientific evidence shows that some areas are warming while others are cooling. Glaciers in the US are advancing and growing in size, not getting smaller. IMO its a shift but not necessarily all doom and gloom.
 

garnet13aj

Active Member
I think it is very selfish for humans to think that they are the ones who control what happens.
I feel so alone in the world right now...Yes most humans are innately selfish. That doesn't mean that we can't alter our world. There are so many people on this earth right now that whether we are having an effect on our planet is a legitimate question. Just because you don't like the sound of it doesn't make it false.
Things change, if they didn't life would be boring.
Your really think that's why things change? So you don't get bored? The earth was here before you and it will be here after you.
Global warming is real. I am always confused when people say global warming is something fake that people make up to make money...There is clearly more money is selling horrible horrible products that destroy our environment that ones that do less harm. Oil is one example, plastic is another. Pesticides. Of course it would be great if we could waste everything and the earth would just bounce back. But guess what children, santa's not real and neither is the waste eating witch. We are responsible for what we consume and what we spit back out into the world and we need to start acting like adults. Even Bush was forced to admit there is a problem when he heard the poor fluffy polar bears were drowning. BTW I can't believe it takes a polar bear dying (instead of the millions of HUMAN refugies that global warming has created) to get some people to admit there is a problem and we should be looking for solutions, as well as implementing the obvious and easy ones already out there.
 

garnet13aj

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I'd like to hear from the people out there that deny that global warming exists and that it is human induced. Specifically I'd like to know what sources convinced you so that I can look into them myself. Also, what sources that back the existence of global warming have you read and found to be false. Please answer this question, I've been dying to know this for years!
 

jerthunter

Active Member
Originally Posted by Jovial
Volume stays constant, it just takes on a different form i.e vapor, solid or liquid. Like melting ice cubes in a glass, they will eventually cause it to overflow. As someone mentioned before, the additional precipitation from the melting ice will cause snowfalls in other areas...big ones. Scientific evidence shows that some areas are warming while others are cooling. Glaciers in the US are advancing and growing in size, not getting smaller. IMO its a shift but not necessarily all doom and gloom.
I should try the melting icecube thing, but I have to disagree that volume stays constant. Water expands as it freezes, which is why is floats, it takes up more volume and is therefore lighter, (same mass in more volume). So while I understand that the melting could cause changes in precipitation I cannot agree that the volume is unchaged.
 

jerthunter

Active Member
Originally Posted by garnet13aj
. . . Your really think that's why things change? So you don't get bored? The earth was here before you and it will be here after you. . . .
I suppose I was being selfish by refering to no change as being boring. If there was no change there would be nothing or something, or who knows but change is a vital part of our existance.
 

dogstar

Active Member
The vast majority of ice on earth is in the artic and antartic pole regions. The north pole is mostly Ice Caps that are frozen ice on top of the ocean If they melt, then your right, that will have little effect on the sea levels as per say but....The vast majority of the ice on the planet is Ice Sheets, that is ice frozen on top of solid ground.
The continant Antartica, N. America, and Asia as well as Greenland and other areas has in most cases, ice sheets that are up to 100s of miles thick. If this ice melts, it will have no choice but to flow into the oceans, thus riseing them.
 

jerthunter

Active Member
Originally Posted by Dogstar
The vast majority of ice on earth is in the artic and antartic pole regions. The north pole is mostly Ice Caps that are frozen ice on top of the ocean If they melt, then your right, that will have little effect on the sea levels as per say but....The vast majority of the ice on the planet is Ice Sheets, that is ice frozen on top of solid ground.
The continant Antartica, N. America, and Asia as well as Greenland and other areas has in most cases, ice sheets that are up to 100s of miles thick. If this ice melts, it will have no choice but to flow into the oceans, thus riseing them.
Good point, but lets say these ice sheets do all melt and drain to the ocean, this frees up more 'usable' land that was once a covered in ice, also (I am going from memory here so I may be wrong) once the ice melts there is less weight on the dry land which allows the once compacted land to expand and raise up.
 

firefish9

Member
Originally Posted by Dogstar
Firefish9...
If I remember right, your pretty young, just a kid ( I dont mean that as an insult )...Im 47 years old myself for comparison...
I want to say to you that I think its great that you have concerns about this topic and that you are brave and smart enough to want a discussion and to ask questions about it.
Athough everyone here might seem to have their own thoughts about this, and that theres nothing wrong with them letting you know them, I dont think its the best place to try to learn scientific or truthfull details from on this subject.
Haveing said this, I dont want you to think that peoples opinoins are not important....they are. They are what drives others to ask questions, do research, take actions and learn the truth.....Hopefully you will continue to seek the answers to these questions. Answers that you can relly on to help ease or elevate your concerns. Which ever it may be.
I can't tell you the truth about this myself because I dont know either...I will tell you, that like you, I am concerned also.
Its hard to beleive one way or the other because of so many differing opinons that one heres and everything that seems to be said by someone is contridited by someone else.
So....some of my unprofesional thoughts....Its true that the earth has undergone many drastic and not so drastic changes in its climate thru its history and will again...
Each of these changes has and will have an effect on life on the planet to one degree or another....Every change that has taken place up untill now, can not be atributed to being cuased by man.
That leads us to now....
If you beleive the climate is changeing then ask why is it changeing ?? To what degree will it change ?? What effect will the change have on life, yourself, your family, your future, mankind ??
Many beleive its not changeing and no reason to talk about it. Others say it is but it has nothing to do with man. Others say its going thru a change and man is helping to excellerate it, others say its all because of man, so on and so on....
Some that say man is responsible or partly responsible but theres '' nothing '' that can be done about it and others say that there '' is '' things that can be done....some say why even try and others say we should at least try.
What do you, who do you beleive ??
Now. I cant say that this is a natural cycle or its being cause be increased activity on the sun or any other nutural cause of nature because the truth is that I dont know and am willing to say so.
But I can not see how a nearly century of ever increasing amounts of automobiles and other forms tranportation like airplains, shipping, ect. world wide, the ever increasing amounts of industrilization world wide, human population, deforestation, local to global polluting, ect. is haveing '' no '' effect on the atmoshere to a point to where it has '' no '' effect on the way the atmoshere reacts as far as temperatures, and weather patterns that can in turn cause other changeing patterns that in turn cause more and more changes that could just end up throwing the whole planet into a point of no return..A spinning top, that you give it just the slightest little bump and it might recover or it might just go crazy to the point of no return....I know that thats a worst case example but could it be ??..It just seems like it would have too have some effect to me....But thats just me. And Im not a scientist by no means....
If it is true and again, I cant say that it is, but if it is, then can we really not do anything about it ?? Should we even try ?? Well what would be the results if we dont ? I cant say. What would be the results if we did ? I cant say that either.
I think that we should all be concernd and to insist on further research and to continue to try to know untill we all do know, one way or the other.
Keep up trying to find out because it is or might be important IMO, to us all.
Thank you Dogstar I appreaciate your insight and I'll start doing some more research.
 
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