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tygoef
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Originally Posted by reefraff
http:///forum/post/3192842
"Christian leaders don't even have to go to school depending on the sect"
I don't know a lot of Jewish folk but I do know a Rabbi who has no formal college education. He calls himself rabbi and leads a congregation, much like some lay people call themselves preacher. I have personally known maybe a dozen preachers in my time. 3 Southern Baptists who all held doctorates, 2 Evangelicals with multiple masters and a 3rd with a doctorate. In fact the only ones I can think of with no Formal education lead something more like a bible study than a church.
To say Rabbis are somehow in a class above preachers is pretty lame.
When I saw your post calling Flower's post ignorant, the first thing I did was look up what is required to become a Rabbi. The information I found said nothing of college, simply that they must go to seminary. Many religions require seminary, I'd say that Rabbis are just preachers for the Jewish.
http:///forum/post/3192842
"Christian leaders don't even have to go to school depending on the sect"
I don't know a lot of Jewish folk but I do know a Rabbi who has no formal college education. He calls himself rabbi and leads a congregation, much like some lay people call themselves preacher. I have personally known maybe a dozen preachers in my time. 3 Southern Baptists who all held doctorates, 2 Evangelicals with multiple masters and a 3rd with a doctorate. In fact the only ones I can think of with no Formal education lead something more like a bible study than a church.
To say Rabbis are somehow in a class above preachers is pretty lame.
When I saw your post calling Flower's post ignorant, the first thing I did was look up what is required to become a Rabbi. The information I found said nothing of college, simply that they must go to seminary. Many religions require seminary, I'd say that Rabbis are just preachers for the Jewish.
Originally Posted by reefraff
http:///forum/post/3192842
I don't know a lot of Jewish folk but I do know a Rabbi who has no formal college education. He calls himself rabbi and leads a congregation, much like some lay people call themselves preacher.
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Originally Posted by tygoef
http:///forum/post/3192917
When I saw your post calling Flower's post ignorant, the first thing I did was look up what is required to become a Rabbi. The information I found said nothing of college, simply that they must go to seminary. Many religions require seminary, I'd say that Rabbis are just preachers for the Jewish.
You guys arent looking to well... The first 3 articles I just found about how to become a Rabbi all state that a college degree is needed as well as a few years of seminary school.
Reef - your friend that calls himself a Rabbi with no formal education seems to be scamming someone...
http://judaism.about.com/library/3_a...c/bl_rabbi.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rabbi
http://www.wisegeek.com/how-does-som...me-a-rabbi.htm
http://www.mahalo.com/how-to-become-a-rabbi
http:///forum/post/3192842
I don't know a lot of Jewish folk but I do know a Rabbi who has no formal college education. He calls himself rabbi and leads a congregation, much like some lay people call themselves preacher.
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Originally Posted by tygoef
http:///forum/post/3192917
When I saw your post calling Flower's post ignorant, the first thing I did was look up what is required to become a Rabbi. The information I found said nothing of college, simply that they must go to seminary. Many religions require seminary, I'd say that Rabbis are just preachers for the Jewish.
You guys arent looking to well... The first 3 articles I just found about how to become a Rabbi all state that a college degree is needed as well as a few years of seminary school.
Reef - your friend that calls himself a Rabbi with no formal education seems to be scamming someone...
http://judaism.about.com/library/3_a...c/bl_rabbi.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rabbi
http://www.wisegeek.com/how-does-som...me-a-rabbi.htm
http://www.mahalo.com/how-to-become-a-rabbi
tygoef
New Member
Originally Posted by DragonZim
http:///forum/post/3192927
You guys arent looking to well... The first 3 articles I just found about how to become a Rabbi all state that a college degree is needed as well as a few years of seminary school.
I only looked at one, it's all I care to look into. http://www.worldwidelearn.com/career...nce/rabbis.htm
To become eligible for ordination as a rabbi, a student must complete a course of study in a seminary. Entrance requirements and the curriculum depend upon the branch of Judaism with which the seminary is associated. Most seminaries require applicants to be college graduates.
Jewish seminaries typically take 5 years for completion of studies, with an additional preparatory year required for students without sufficient grounding in Hebrew and Jewish studies.
Fancy thing about the word "most," it doesn't mean "all"
tygoef
New Member
Let's look at your own sources for added fun.
Originally Posted by DragonZim
http:///forum/post/3192927
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rabbi
Since rabbinical studies typically flow from other yeshiva studies, those who seek a semicha are typically not required to have completed a university education.
Originally Posted by DragonZim
http:///forum/post/3192927
http://www.wisegeek.com/how-does-som...me-a-rabbi.htm
it can be said that most rabbis have earned a college degree
Originally Posted by DragonZim
http:///forum/post/3192927
http://www.mahalo.com/how-to-become-a-rabbi
Aspiring rabbis are generally required to have received a bachelor's degree.
Since I haven't already covered "generally," it doesn't mean the same thing as "always."
Originally Posted by DragonZim
http:///forum/post/3192927
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rabbi
Since rabbinical studies typically flow from other yeshiva studies, those who seek a semicha are typically not required to have completed a university education.
Originally Posted by DragonZim
http:///forum/post/3192927
http://www.wisegeek.com/how-does-som...me-a-rabbi.htm
it can be said that most rabbis have earned a college degree
Originally Posted by DragonZim
http:///forum/post/3192927
http://www.mahalo.com/how-to-become-a-rabbi
Aspiring rabbis are generally required to have received a bachelor's degree.
Since I haven't already covered "generally," it doesn't mean the same thing as "always."
reef_dart21
Member
Originally Posted by DragonZim
http:///forum/post/3192927
You guys arent looking to well... The first 3 articles I just found about how to become a Rabbi all state that a college degree is needed as well as a few years of seminary school.
Reef - your friend that calls himself a Rabbi with no formal education seems to be scamming someone..
Lol, all preachers rabbis and etc run the most convincing scam in the world and its called RELIGION
http:///forum/post/3192927
You guys arent looking to well... The first 3 articles I just found about how to become a Rabbi all state that a college degree is needed as well as a few years of seminary school.
Reef - your friend that calls himself a Rabbi with no formal education seems to be scamming someone..
Lol, all preachers rabbis and etc run the most convincing scam in the world and its called RELIGION
meowzer
Moderator
Originally Posted by Reef_Dart21
http:///forum/post/3192956
Lol, all preachers rabbis and etc run the most convincing scam in the world and its called RELIGION
YOU KNOW...if you are not a "believer" then that is up to you......but don;t go putting down religion in general
no one here is pushing it on you
http:///forum/post/3192956
Lol, all preachers rabbis and etc run the most convincing scam in the world and its called RELIGION
YOU KNOW...if you are not a "believer" then that is up to you......but don;t go putting down religion in general
no one here is pushing it on you
reef_dart21
Member
Originally Posted by meowzer
http:///forum/post/3192958
YOU KNOW...if you are not a "believer" then that is up to you......but don;t go putting down religion in general
no one here is pushing it on you
What do you call johova witnesses walking around preaching to convert or "basically" spend an eternity in hell?
Look throughout propaganda, music and famous gov't speeches, they all refer to some forms of religion and, in most cases, persuade you to convert or u must be a wicked individual.
everyones entitled to their own opinion, hence mine.
http:///forum/post/3192958
YOU KNOW...if you are not a "believer" then that is up to you......but don;t go putting down religion in general
no one here is pushing it on you
What do you call johova witnesses walking around preaching to convert or "basically" spend an eternity in hell?
Look throughout propaganda, music and famous gov't speeches, they all refer to some forms of religion and, in most cases, persuade you to convert or u must be a wicked individual.
everyones entitled to their own opinion, hence mine.
meowzer
Moderator
Originally Posted by Reef_Dart21
http:///forum/post/3192961
What do you call johova witnesses walking around preaching to convert or "basically" spend an eternity in hell?
Look throughout propaganda, music and famous gov't speeches, they all refer to some forms of religion and, in most cases, persuade you to convert or u must be a wicked individual.
everyones entitled to their own opinion, hence mine.
YES...I agree there....but No one HERE is pushing anything
that's what I meant....
and YES...you are entitled to your opinion too.....
http:///forum/post/3192961
What do you call johova witnesses walking around preaching to convert or "basically" spend an eternity in hell?
Look throughout propaganda, music and famous gov't speeches, they all refer to some forms of religion and, in most cases, persuade you to convert or u must be a wicked individual.
everyones entitled to their own opinion, hence mine.
YES...I agree there....but No one HERE is pushing anything
that's what I meant....
and YES...you are entitled to your opinion too.....
rlablan
Active Member
I don't think that is a fair thing to say. You're making a generalization. This is not a thread about conversion, it's a discussion.
Also, no is has even talked about JW's.
Just because you are afraid of religion or don't like it, doesn't mean that other's cant, or shouldn't.
You are most certainly entitled to your opinion but you should not make a generalization that every politician is pushing religion or that everyone says that you're going to hell. That sounds like a personal problem. lol
Also, no is has even talked about JW's.
Just because you are afraid of religion or don't like it, doesn't mean that other's cant, or shouldn't.
You are most certainly entitled to your opinion but you should not make a generalization that every politician is pushing religion or that everyone says that you're going to hell. That sounds like a personal problem. lol
reef_dart21
Member
Originally Posted by meowzer
http:///forum/post/3192964
YES...I agree there....but No one HERE is pushing anything
that's what I meant....
and YES...you are entitled to your opinion too.....
You should read Darwinism: An Exposition of the Theory of Natural Selection with Some of Its Applications, and i understood what you meant, but i like to argue
http:///forum/post/3192964
YES...I agree there....but No one HERE is pushing anything
that's what I meant....
and YES...you are entitled to your opinion too.....
You should read Darwinism: An Exposition of the Theory of Natural Selection with Some of Its Applications, and i understood what you meant, but i like to argue
meowzer
Moderator
Originally Posted by Reef_Dart21
http:///forum/post/3192968
You should read Darwinism: An Exposition of the Theory of Natural Selection with Some of Its Applications, and i understood what you meant, but i like to argue
That's why I usually don't voice my opinion.....I hate arguing
http:///forum/post/3192968
You should read Darwinism: An Exposition of the Theory of Natural Selection with Some of Its Applications, and i understood what you meant, but i like to argue
reefraff
Active Member
Originally Posted by DragonZim
http:///forum/post/3192927
You guys arent looking to well... The first 3 articles I just found about how to become a Rabbi all state that a college degree is needed as well as a few years of seminary school.
Reef - your friend that calls himself a Rabbi with no formal education seems to be scamming someone...
http://judaism.about.com/library/3_a...c/bl_rabbi.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rabbi
http://www.wisegeek.com/how-does-som...me-a-rabbi.htm
http://www.mahalo.com/how-to-become-a-rabbi
For what it is worth this guy held a full time job and other than some simple gratuities or what have you he wasn't getting paid, just filling a need in an area where there are no Synagogues. Hardly scamming anyone. I don't know if he was formally ordained as a Rabbi or not. Never asked but I do believe he performed marriages.
http:///forum/post/3192927
You guys arent looking to well... The first 3 articles I just found about how to become a Rabbi all state that a college degree is needed as well as a few years of seminary school.
Reef - your friend that calls himself a Rabbi with no formal education seems to be scamming someone...
http://judaism.about.com/library/3_a...c/bl_rabbi.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rabbi
http://www.wisegeek.com/how-does-som...me-a-rabbi.htm
http://www.mahalo.com/how-to-become-a-rabbi
For what it is worth this guy held a full time job and other than some simple gratuities or what have you he wasn't getting paid, just filling a need in an area where there are no Synagogues. Hardly scamming anyone. I don't know if he was formally ordained as a Rabbi or not. Never asked but I do believe he performed marriages.
reefraff
Active Member
Originally Posted by Reef_Dart21
http:///forum/post/3192968
You should read Darwinism: An Exposition of the Theory of Natural Selection with Some of Its Applications, and i understood what you meant, but i like to argue
God created man, Secularists evolved from apes, and not very far
http:///forum/post/3192968
You should read Darwinism: An Exposition of the Theory of Natural Selection with Some of Its Applications, and i understood what you meant, but i like to argue
God created man, Secularists evolved from apes, and not very far
louti
Member
I just don't agree with the statement that faith is just a business. Yes, in order to run a church and try to spread your beliefs, you need money. Thus, it is necessary to take a business-like approach to ensure the church can succeed. But, that doesn't mean that the primary function of a church is to make money.
stdreb27
Active Member
Originally Posted by YearOfTheNick
http:///forum/post/3192111
Hey does anyone think at all about this? Pastors/Ministers make it their full-time job to "shepherd" their church. This has generally been considered an act of service, and I agree with that.
But does anyone ever feel like maybe it's wrong for that church to pay the pastor just to care? I mean, we can look at it any number of ways. They may already care a lot, and the paycheck only comes out of a response to their service to the church.
OR maybe they are just looking for a way to have an income and be lazy. I've worked in full-time ministry for nearly 10 years. I've met pastors who have refused paychecks because it inhibits their ministry, and they work non-stop to help those around them. I've also met pastors who demand at least $135k/yr from their 200-member congregation and barely work for it.
What do you guys think?
Discuss.
There are alot of bad apples in Christiandom...
But assuming these people are doing it for the right reasons, I have no problem whatsoever with Pastors making dump truck loads of money.
The thing you've got to realise is that for the vast majority of churches, these pastors and stuff, have multiple sources of income. They aren't pastors full time. they're doing it as a ministry. The thing is, these aren't horribly visible since well they're sooo small. What you do see, are the mega churches. Where they do bring in some money.
Personally I've seen it all, the crooks and the genuine.
http:///forum/post/3192111
Hey does anyone think at all about this? Pastors/Ministers make it their full-time job to "shepherd" their church. This has generally been considered an act of service, and I agree with that.
But does anyone ever feel like maybe it's wrong for that church to pay the pastor just to care? I mean, we can look at it any number of ways. They may already care a lot, and the paycheck only comes out of a response to their service to the church.
OR maybe they are just looking for a way to have an income and be lazy. I've worked in full-time ministry for nearly 10 years. I've met pastors who have refused paychecks because it inhibits their ministry, and they work non-stop to help those around them. I've also met pastors who demand at least $135k/yr from their 200-member congregation and barely work for it.
What do you guys think?
Discuss.
There are alot of bad apples in Christiandom...
But assuming these people are doing it for the right reasons, I have no problem whatsoever with Pastors making dump truck loads of money.
The thing you've got to realise is that for the vast majority of churches, these pastors and stuff, have multiple sources of income. They aren't pastors full time. they're doing it as a ministry. The thing is, these aren't horribly visible since well they're sooo small. What you do see, are the mega churches. Where they do bring in some money.
Personally I've seen it all, the crooks and the genuine.
reef_dart21
Member
Originally Posted by louti
http:///forum/post/3193040
I just don't agree with the statement that faith is just a business. Yes, in order to run a church and try to spread your beliefs, you need money. Thus, it is necessary to take a business-like approach to ensure the church can succeed. But, that doesn't mean that the primary function of a church is to make money.
Even back when christianity was developing, pope(beneidict) created a story of purgatory to recieve more reperations from their patrons.
According to the pope (i think benidict), you were to stay in purgatory if you did not pay money( reperations)
so this is nothing is new with churches wanting money, on one hand they need to run on the other they are taking advantage of the system.
Interpertation is key in arguments over subjects such as this XD
http:///forum/post/3193040
I just don't agree with the statement that faith is just a business. Yes, in order to run a church and try to spread your beliefs, you need money. Thus, it is necessary to take a business-like approach to ensure the church can succeed. But, that doesn't mean that the primary function of a church is to make money.
Even back when christianity was developing, pope(beneidict) created a story of purgatory to recieve more reperations from their patrons.
According to the pope (i think benidict), you were to stay in purgatory if you did not pay money( reperations)
so this is nothing is new with churches wanting money, on one hand they need to run on the other they are taking advantage of the system.
Interpertation is key in arguments over subjects such as this XD
reef_dart21
Member
Originally Posted by louti
http:///forum/post/3193133
Yes, but we should also note that there are many differences between Catholic and Protestant denominations. I am not Catholic and can't really speak for how Catholic churches are ran.
Their are slight differences at best, they are still sub branches of christianity.
http:///forum/post/3193133
Yes, but we should also note that there are many differences between Catholic and Protestant denominations. I am not Catholic and can't really speak for how Catholic churches are ran.
Their are slight differences at best, they are still sub branches of christianity.
louti
Member
Originally Posted by Reef_Dart21
http:///forum/post/3193150
Their are slight differences at best, they are still sub branches of christianity.
Actually, there are many significant differences. But yes, they are both Christian faiths because the core belief is that Jesus is the Messiah and the son of God.
http:///forum/post/3193150
Their are slight differences at best, they are still sub branches of christianity.
Actually, there are many significant differences. But yes, they are both Christian faiths because the core belief is that Jesus is the Messiah and the son of God.