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[reef_dart21]

Originally Posted by louti
http:///forum/post/3193168
Actually, there are many significant differences. But yes, they are both Christian faiths because the core belief is that Jesus is the Messiah and the son of God.
by signifficant different you mean the way they practice it right?
But they still believe in what you just said so thats still the same.
Its just like how a gun and bow are one in the same XD they both shoot (i know a great comparison and i thank you)

 

[louti]

Originally Posted by Reef_Dart21
http:///forum/post/3193172
by signifficant different you mean the way they practice it right?
But they still believe in what you just said so thats still the same.
Its just like how a gun and bow are one in the same XD they both shoot (i know a great comparison and i thank you)
That was a great analogy.

Some differences are confessions, infant baptisms, the whole system of priests, cardinals, bishps, pope, etc, the belief that good deeds get you to heaven, etc. But, just to be clear, I have a limited knowledge of Catholicism as I was brought up non-denominational Protestant. I have attended Baptist, Methodist, and Presbyterian churches, even a Charismatic church (they all started speaking in tongues and I got the heck out of there), but I have never attended a Catholic mass.

 

[stdreb27]

Originally Posted by louti
http:///forum/post/3193177
That was a great analogy.

Some differences are confessions, infant baptisms, the whole system of priests, cardinals, bishps, pope, etc, the belief that good deeds get you to heaven, etc. But, just to be clear, I have a limited knowledge of Catholicism as I was brought up non-denominational Protestant. I have attended Baptist, Methodist, and Presbyterian churches, even a Charismatic church (they all started speaking in tongues and I got the heck out of there), but I have never attended a Catholic mass.
There are some key differences, and the dealbreaker imo is the pope. "technically he holds the keys to heaven." then you have the praying to the saints and stuff...

 

[yearofthenick]

Originally Posted by Flower
http:///forum/post/3192788

They get a degree in theology, it takes 1 to 2 years.
It's called a Masters in Divinity. It requires a 4-year college degree in Theology or something of the like and then it's an additional two years to get your master. Some pastors become Doctors in Divinity and it takes an additional 2 years. You're talking 6-8 years of schooling. It's not to the degree of a Rabbi, but still noteworthy in my opinion as it's more schooling than the rest of the U.S. are required to accomplish.

 

[stevedave08]

Originally Posted by reefraff
http:///forum/post/3192761
This was one of the most ignorant posts I have ever read.
You and I are on a roll today sir, because I agree with you on this post as well. It also has a slight scent of arrogance to it. I got that the other day in the Religions that don't eat pork thread from her too. HMMM.

 

[yearofthenick]

Originally Posted by Reef_Dart21
http:///forum/post/3192968
You should read Darwinism: An Exposition of the Theory of Natural Selection with Some of Its Applications, and i understood what you meant, but i like to argue
Dude, two things. "Cambrian Explosion" and "Flagellar motor." Have evolution explain those two things.

 

[reef_dart21]

Dude, two things. "Cambrian Explosion" and "Flagellar motor." Have evolution explain those two things.[/QUOTE
Their are theories and hypothesis about cambrian explosion, such as the population had been isolated, hence the small pond, and a mass extinction occured preventing their unique genetic characteristics were not passed down.(theory)
Flagellar motor was created through evolution, basically a mutation happened within their genome causing the bacteria to develop a flagellar motor/flagelum or cilia, allowing certain bacteria to develop a rotary system which abled the bacteria to move faster, hence natural selection took over and favored bacteria with a flagellar motor because they were, most likley, able to escape predetors, or catch prey better.(theory)
even genetic disease served a purpose once before, such a diabetes which is not helpful now but back in the ice age diabetes allowed our ancestors to survive in the cold more effectively.
(read Survival of the Sickest, The origin of Species provides much more information which supports these claims extensively.)
those are too small theories and are very well supported by evidence and just like everything nothing is absolute in science, even gravity is a theory.

 

[reefraff]

Originally Posted by SteveDave08
http:///forum/post/3193589
You and I are on a roll today sir, because I agree with you on this post as well. It also has a slight scent of arrogance to it. I got that the other day in the Religions that don't eat pork thread from her too. HMMM.

It ain't always easy being Steve, I know, I are one

 

[stevedave08]

Originally Posted by YearOfTheNick
http:///forum/post/3193604
Dude, two things. "Cambrian Explosion" and "Flagellar motor." Have evolution explain those two things.
I take it you believe this was "intelligent design". There is no basis on suggesting that neither one of these things was not possible by way of evolution. Flagellar motor could have evolved into existence on the offspring/split of a previously immobile/badly mobile cell. If all cells were evolving at similar rates, it would not be surprising that various animals/organisms came into existence at the same time as in the cambrian explosion.
So, if you believe (I'm assuming you do) in intelligent design as creationism is now being disguised so they can try to teach it in schools, then you believe we are God's fish tank. He seeded a sphere with copepods, added some bacteria, and after the cycle was over he put in a bunch of cool stuff he got at the pet shop in his neighborhood. You know, where all the universally omnipotent ant farm and fish keepers go to shop for pets/humans. We are God's fishtank/terrarium. We're like a turtle tank really.

 

[flower]

I was not trying to make a Rabbi sound better than a pastor. I wanted the OP to understand how much his rabbi went through to be where he is today. Any Rabbi that earns upwards of $150.000 is surely well educated above the average.
For clarification…I agree. There are many clergy that do go and get a formal education, just as the rabbi I was talking about does.
Here is the only one point of difference I want to make. In Christianity, anyone who feels “called” can be a preacher. To be ordained and get a license to minister, one would only need a Bible and three people to sign up as the congregation. I think it can be done on line, and it cost …back in the day when I did the research..$20.00. I know a man who did this, he is a minister to this day.
That is the lowest requirement, not the highest. A Rabbi can NOT do this. He MUST have a degree, and he must have formal training. That is a Rabbis starting point.
Some rabbis, those who run the big synagogues, which are equal to universities as a learning institution…they are like professors and earn their wages. The ONLY point I was trying to make was that one should respect them not disrespect them.
That is why I said comparing a Rabbi to a preacher is like comparing a Sunday school teacher to a master of theology. Rabbi means teacher, he does not profess to be divinely called by G-d Almighty to save the world from hell fire. He is a teacher of the Law of Moses, and a leader in the community. He serves G-d, and his job is to teach others how to do the same. He spends his life in the study of the Torah.
Our Cantor is a CPA, that is how he makes his living. We don’t have a Rabbi…but we do have 3 Torah scrolls. Two were donated and one was purchased. The price tag on a scroll is indeed upwards of $10.000.00 (base price) The vest plate runs another $3000.00 and the crown runs about $2000.00.
I know things trailed off from there.
SteveDave08 Feel free to hit the ignore button and you won’t have to read anymore on not eating pork or anything else I have to say.

 

[reef_dart21]

Originally Posted by SteveDave08
http:///forum/post/3193617
I take it you believe this was "intelligent design". There is no basis on suggesting that neither one of these things was not possible by way of evolution. Flagellar motor could have evolved into existence on the offspring/split of a previously immobile/badly mobile cell. If all cells were evolving at similar rates, it would not be surprising that various animals/organisms came into existence at the same time as in the cambrian explosion.
So, if you believe (I'm assuming you do) in intelligent design as creationism is now being disguised so they can try to teach it in schools, then you believe we are God's fish tank. He seeded a sphere with copepods, added some bacteria, and after the cycle was over he put in a bunch of cool stuff he got at the pet shop in his neighborhood. You know, where all the universally omnipotent ant farm and fish keepers go to shop for pets/humans.

 

[dragonzim]

Originally Posted by Flower
http:///forum/post/3193621
Our Cantor is a CPA, that is how he makes his living. We don’t have a Rabbi…but we do have 3 Torah scrolls. Two were donated and one was purchased. The price tag on a scroll is indeed upwards of $10.000.00 (base price) The vest plate runs another $3000.00 and the crown runs about $2000.00.
I know things trailed off from there.
Just out of curiosity, do you not have a Rabbi because you couldnt find one that subscribes to the whole "Jews for Jesus" thing?

 

[stdreb27]

Originally Posted by Flower
http:///forum/post/3193621
Here is the only one point of difference I want to make. In Christianity, anyone who feels “called” can be a preacher. To be ordained and get a license to minister, one would only need a Bible and three people to sign up as the congregation. I think it can be done on line, and it cost …back in the day when I did the research..$20.00. I know a man who did this, he is a minister to this day.
Most denominations require much more than that.

 

[yearofthenick]

I am not a fan of Intelligent Design yet because there are still many holes in their theories. They don't have the advantage that the theory of evolution had: 100 years of scrutiny and modification.
But to say that the Cambrian Explosion has been explained is farsighted at best. I mean, I could come up with a theory that the chicken suit reef dart wears came from Krypton and explain that meteors formed with feathers on their surface, and then grew wings, flying through space, hitting earth, then got sown together by the wind, blown onto reefdarts doorstep for him to find and put on. I mean, how far fetched to these theories need to get before we realize that they're simply not conceivable? With each step comes another batch of variables, all with their own properties of "chance." And it's exponential - each step multiplies the last, in a 1-2-4-8-16 fashion. I'm not saying all theories are like this, but they've really baked up some serious ones along the process.
The Flagellar motor defies natural selection in the sense that it has 40 parts in it's makeup. None of the parts would have worked in any other way. If single traits are added and removed over millions of years, how was that the case with the flagellar motor? It would be like getting a 40-piece puzzle and saying that it randomly solved itself. We know that not to be the case today, and although we can't wait millions of years to see if it actually does, again, it's simply not conceivable. Even if we placed the puzzle on the ground and allowed erosion to "solve" this puzzle, how is that an answer?
I would find it almost more conceivable, and more reasonable, to look at our world and think it was "designed" in some form. But Intelligent Design is still in it's infancy. I don't want to vehemently defend it.... yet.

 

[stdreb27]

Originally Posted by YearOfTheNick
http:///forum/post/3193638
I am not a fan of Intelligent Design yet because there are still many holes in their theories. They don't have the advantage that the theory of evolution had: 100 years of scrutiny and modification.
But to say that the Cambrian Explosion has been explained is farsighted at best. I mean, I could come up with a theory that the chicken suit reef dart wears came from Krypton and explain that meteors formed with feathers on their surface, and then grew wings, flying through space, hitting earth, then got sown together by the wind, blown onto reefdarts doorstep for him to find and put on. I mean, how far fetched to these theories need to get before we realize that they're simply not conceivable? With each step comes another batch of variables, all with their own properties of "chance." And it's exponential - each step multiplies the last, in a 1-2-4-8-16 fashion. I'm not saying all theories are like this, but they've really baked up some serious ones along the process.
The Flagellar motor defies natural selection in the sense that it has 40 parts in it's makeup. None of the parts would have worked in any other way. If single traits are added and removed over millions of years, how was that the case with the flagellar motor? It would be like getting a 40-piece puzzle and saying that it randomly solved itself. We know that not to be the case today, and although we can't wait millions of years to see if it actually does, again, it's simply not conceivable. Even if we placed the puzzle on the ground and allowed erosion to "solve" this puzzle, how is that an answer?
I would find it almost more conceivable, and more reasonable, to look at our world and think it was "designed" in some form. But Intelligent Design is still in it's infancy. I don't want to vehemently defend it.... yet.
lol, umm well, geeze, umm. I just can't get over saying creationism is in its infancy.

 

[yearofthenick]

Originally Posted by Flower
http:///forum/post/3193621
Here is the only one point of difference I want to make. In Christianity, anyone who feels “called” can be a preacher. To be ordained and get a license to minister, one would only need a Bible and three people to sign up as the congregation. I think it can be done on line, and it cost …back in the day when I did the research..$20.00. I know a man who did this, he is a minister to this day.
Flower, you seem to have a lot of knowledge of the Jewish faith and I respect that. But the above point is one I disagree with.
What you described above is what we consider to be a "cult." I'm sure you can agree with me when I say the bible can easily be manipulated. With no training and no accountability, it can become anything you want. It's this form of religion that bombs abortion clinics and holds signs that say "God hates fags" - it's an abomination to the faith and if those people had any idea what the bible ACTUALLY said, they'd find that it breaks the heart of their God to do such evil in the name of "Religion."
I'm sure that's why those of the Jewish faith take so much care into recreating the Torah and uphold it's truth so accurately. It's important not to change what's been written.
But if some Joe off the street decided to pick up a bible and bring people to his house and "teach" them about it, that does not make him a preacher. Although 1-2 christian denominations accept forms of Christianity similar to that (e.g. The Universal Church - where you can be "ordained" in 30 minutes online and marry people), it is not acceptable.
IF you have a guy who wants to be a volunteer at their church and coordinate a bible study in accordance to a template that church put together, then that's acceptable because there's accountability. You really need to be held accountable when you push the gospel, otherwise it gets twisted, perverted. The bible changes from a tool of peace and love... it becomes a tool for war and hate. If you ever come across a church or group of people who promote that, RUN.

 

[yearofthenick]

Originally Posted by stdreb27
http:///forum/post/3193643
lol, umm well, geeze, umm. I just can't get over saying creationism is in its infancy.
Well the theory most certainly is in it's infancy. That's why it's not being accepted - they've got to figure it out more before they can accept it as a plausible theory.
But I agree, it is ironic that creationism is in it's infancy.

 

[flower]

Originally Posted by DragonZim
http:///forum/post/3193629
Just out of curiosity, do you not have a Rabbi because you couldnt find one that subscribes to the whole "Jews for Jesus" thing?

Jews for Jesus! I HATE Jews for Jesus! They lure Jews into the lie.
We don't have a Rabbi. I came from a very large conservative congregation in Milwaukee. When I divorced I moved in with my Mother in Illinois.
The only conservative synagogue for 100 miles is the one I attend. They have a very dedicated Cantor but no Rabbi. It is a very small building and I never asked about a Rabbi. I don’t attend as regular as I should. High Holy Days and on the rare occasion when my Mother is feeling well.
When I say that I believe in Messiah, don’t you? I said the “Jesus” not even his name from the Bible account may well be Messiah when he comes. I never said I bought into the Jesus is G-d or equal to Him nonsense.
I am very well versed in scripture and the “new” testament, and the Quran. My personal goal is to get as many good people out of the lie as possible. They are trying to save us…they need to be saved. Ever heard of Rabbi Singer? Any Christian reading this that is willing to actually study the religions (any fraction of it) origins can be saved from it.
Original Christianity is and was Judaism. The ONLY difference is that they believed Messiah had come.

 

[yearofthenick]

Originally Posted by Flower
http:///forum/post/3193657
Original Christianity is and was Judaism. The ONLY difference is that they believed Messiah had come.
Dude, I applaud your passion. It's good stuff!
But this one is another one I have to disagree with. If you look at the New Testament, you will find that a LOT of things became different between Judaism and Christianity. Although believing Jesus was the Messiah is a big difference between the two, so are many of the rules that we follow. I can eat pork... I can eat anything because what is "unclean" doesn't matter so much - For Christians, it's the state of the heart, not the food. I don't have to give 10%. I don't have to sacrifice animals when I sin... (sorry, little friendly jab there for you - I know forgiveness is now dealt with differently for Jews).

 

[flower]

Originally Posted by YearOfTheNick
http:///forum/post/3193654
Flower, you seem to have a lot of knowledge of the Jewish faith and I respect that. But the above point is one I disagree with.
What you described above is what we consider to be a "cult." I'm sure you can agree with me when I say the bible can easily be manipulated. With no training and no accountability, it can become anything you want. It's this form of religion that bombs abortion clinics and holds signs that say "God hates fags" - it's an abomination to the faith and if those people had any idea what the bible ACTUALLY said, they'd find that it breaks the heart of their God to do such evil in the name of "Religion."
I'm sure that's why those of the Jewish faith take so much care into recreating the Torah and uphold it's truth so accurately. It's important not to change what's been written.
But if some Joe off the street decided to pick up a bible and bring people to his house and "teach" them about it, that does not make him a preacher. Although 1-2 christian denominations accept forms of Christianity similar to that (e.g. The Universal Church - where you can be "ordained" in 30 minutes online and marry people), it is not acceptable.
IF you have a guy who wants to be a volunteer at their church and coordinate a bible study in accordance to a template that church put together, then that's acceptable because there's accountability. You really need to be held accountable when you push the gospel, otherwise it gets twisted, perverted. The bible changes from a tool of peace and love... it becomes a tool for war and hate. If you ever come across a church or group of people who promote that, RUN.

Friend:
Any good cathoilic wll tell you, anything other than the Holy Roman Church is a cult. Every baptist will tell you anyone not baptized the way they are...is a cult and a liar.
Now for the kicker...every prophet of scripture was a Joe off the street before HaShem called him to do a service. Not one of them had a degree. They were accountable to only One Being...That One Being had no problem letting folks know who HE had chosen as a leader..Moses is a great example.