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[yearofthenick]

Originally Posted by Reef_Dart21
http:///forum/post/3193718
the bible says sinners to hell non sinners to heaven (summarized XD)
We ask that question a lot. But the bible says we can't judge others. Only God Himself has the right to judge. So for ANYONE to tell you that you're going to hell is not only wrong, it's a blasphemy against the bible and it's teachings (If you'll believe it). To decide that someone else is going to hell is deciding that you have the same authority as God himself.

 

[reef_dart21]

Originally Posted by YearOfTheNick
http:///forum/post/3193715
Yes, we do that. It has to happen so we can search for what is right. And we usually do. But some questions can never be answered.
So u challenge your belief that jesus is the holy savior and god is the holy being? if not then your not challenging the belief itself rather you are challenging some of the subbranches of the belief that had been added and revised through time.
cult  /kʌlt/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [kuhlt] Show IPA
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–noun 1. a particular system of religious worship, esp. with reference to its rites and ceremonies.
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[yearofthenick]

Originally Posted by Reef_Dart21 http:///forum/post/3193728
So u challenge your belief that jesus is the holy savior and god is the holy being? if not then your not challenging the belief itself rather you are challenging some of the subbranches of the belief that had been added and revised through time.
cult??/k?lt/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [kuhlt] Show IPA
Use cult in a Sentence
See web results for cult
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–noun 1. a particular system of religious worship, esp. with reference to its rites and ceremonies.
(form dictionary.reference.com)
What do they mean by "Particular?" It is an ironically vague word for such a "particular" definition.
I believe that Jesus is the Messiah, yes. I will gladly explain why, and I've explained it on this forum in the past....
https://forums.saltwaterfish.com/t/335088/whats-wrong-with-the-church-today
About half way through.

 

[reef_dart21]

Originally Posted by YearOfTheNick http:///forum/post/3193719
Original Text:
http://www.wnd.com/2009/11/116601/
I read the article and nothing their has even been reviewed by the scientific community. Besides that all of them are hard head creationists, including the so called scientist, that trying to disprove a theory by any means, with or without true evidence.
This reference has no support behind it, its was never put in front of the scientific community, its just another crew who cant come to grips that dwarin is right.
On the other hand i can paste an almost infinite amount of articles from various reptuaple source, colleges, scientific community, and etc, that dont BUTCHER creationism rather explains how evolution's evidence is everwhere.

 

[reef_dart21]

Also to add, the site said DNA proves evolution is false which is completly false.
Our Human genome is 97% identical to that of a chimpanzee and (i think around) 93% identical to that of a rat.
that documentry is nothing but a joke.

 

[reef_dart21]

Originally Posted by YearOfTheNick http:///forum/post/3193736
What do they mean by "Particular?" It is an ironically vague word for such a "particular" definition.
I believe that Jesus is the Messiah, yes. I will gladly explain why, and I've explained it on this forum in the past....
https://forums.saltwaterfish.com/t/335088/whats-wrong-with-the-church-today
About half way through.
Thats further supports my claim.
Like i said a cult means different things but is not limited to the only evil ones people associate cults with (such as manson)
A system or community of religious worship and ritual.
cult (k?lt)
n.
A religion or religious sect generally considered to be extremist or false, with its followers often living in an unconventional manner under the guidance of an authoritarian, charismatic leader.
The followers of such a religion or sect.
Obsessive, especially faddish, devotion to or veneration for a person, principle, or thing.
The object of such devotion.
A system or community of religious worship and ritual.

 

[reef_dart21]

Originally Posted by YearOfTheNick
http:///forum/post/3193725
We ask that question a lot. But the bible says we can't judge others. Only God Himself has the right to judge. So for ANYONE to tell you that you're going to hell is not only wrong, it's a blasphemy against the bible and it's teachings (If you'll believe it). To decide that someone else is going to hell is deciding that you have the same authority as God himself.
and since god does not talk through anyone,(anymore supposedly) the bible and 10 commendmants are law that dictates who and who doesnt go to heaven/hell

 

[flower]

Originally Posted by Reef_Dart21
http:///forum/post/3193679
Religion vary in how they are practiced because they each interpret the bible nt and etc differently from one another.
You can certainly classify religion as a large cult, because religion gains support form the masses, whom dont challenge the belief, and live by the laws,set by the higher up, without hesitation. Cults are not neccessarily groups with evil intentions, a cults is nothing more than a group of people who follow the ruling of a single powerful member (in this case the bible ).
to support this look back in the old middle ages, kings and other leaders would frequently "revise" the ot and bible and etc stories to better serve the purpose and gain undying loyalty by the public.

First, there is no "OLD" Testament ...that is part of the lie.
Second, the beauty of Judaism is the very fact that people are taught to think. The Law stands. It has not been tampered with. It has not changed.
It is perfectly alright to ask questions, and draw conclusions. It is a very personal journey.
A Rabbi does not stand in front of the congregation and tell us what the good book says. They read from the Torah…Actually the Cantor does. PERIOD.
They may tell a story that will help us understand how to treat each other better, or be open minded and not judge each other…all kinds of stories. They never “interoperate” the Torah, they don’t have to. It is read it in the original Hebrew. Cantor chants the book in song, while another that is called up points to each word as it is read from the Torah scroll. Each section is read by another called up person to do the honor.
The Rabbi is there for us to ask questions, to oversee that children are learning their Hebrew and preparing for Bar/bat Mitzvah. To explain Kosher Laws, and how to perform a mitzvoth, or honor a Holiday like Passover.
He does not stand there and tell us he has some insight to what G-d is saying to us. They read the scriptures and have wonderful, sometimes passionate heated debates with others on what the sages must have meant. They use scripture to intemperate scripture. For example: if a word in Hebrew is used here in an instance, does it not mean the same in this other passage? Then they discuss.
The Christian fractions want everyone to “believe” the same things..they preach it to the children, they preach it to the congregations. If you don’t agree with their interpretation you can join a church that does, or start your own. They have Sunday school where discussion takes place…but it is only to discuss what everyone else already has been indoctrinated to believe.
In the Christian churches you are taught what you are to believe, in a Synagogue you are challenged to read for your own self, in the original language. To question is to grow.
The book never changes, it just waits for you to read it.

 

[dragonzim]

Originally Posted by Flower
http:///forum/post/3193657

Jews for Jesus! I HATE Jews for Jesus! They lure Jews into the lie.
We don't have a Rabbi. I came from a very large conservative congregation in Milwaukee. When I divorced I moved in with my Mother in Illinois.
The only conservative synagogue for 100 miles is the one I attend. They have a very dedicated Cantor but no Rabbi. It is a very small building and I never asked about a Rabbi. I don’t attend as regular as I should. High Holy Days and on the rare occasion when my Mother is feeling well.
When I say that I believe in Messiah, don’t you? I said the “Jesus” not even his name from the Bible account may well be Messiah when he comes. I never said I bought into the Jesus is G-d or equal to Him nonsense.
I am very well versed in scripture and the “new” testament, and the Quran. My personal goal is to get as many good people out of the lie as possible. They are trying to save us…they need to be saved. Ever heard of Rabbi Singer? Any Christian reading this that is willing to actually study the religions (any fraction of it) origins can be saved from it.
Original Christianity is and was Judaism. The ONLY difference is that they believed Messiah had come.
Sorry Flower. You had stated in a previous post that you are a Messianic Jew. The only definition I had ever heard pertaining to Messianic Jews were Jewish people that believe that the messiah had already come and was in fact Jesus.
I apologize!!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Messianic_Judaism

 

[reef_dart21]

Originally Posted by Flower
http:///forum/post/3193749

First, there is no "OLD" Testament ...that is part of the lie.
Second, the beauty of Judaism is the very fact that people are taught to think. The Law stands. It has not been tampered with. It has not changed.
It is perfectly alright to ask questions, and draw conclusions. It is a very personal journey.
A Rabbi does not stand in front of the congregation and tell us what the good book says. They read from the Torah…Actually the Cantor does. PERIOD.
They may tell a story that will help us understand how to treat each other better, or be open minded and not judge each other…all kinds of stories. They never “interoperate” the Torah, they don’t have to. It is read it in the original Hebrew. Cantor chants the book in song, while another that is called up points to each word as it is read from the Torah scroll. Each section is read by another called up person to do the honor.
The Rabbi is there for us to ask questions, to oversee that children are learning their Hebrew and preparing for Bar/bat Mitzvah. To explain Kosher Laws, and how to perform a mitzvoth, or honor a Holiday like Passover.
He does not stand there and tell us he has some insight to what G-d is saying to us. They read the scriptures and have wonderful, sometimes passionate heated debates with others on what the sages must have meant. They use scripture to intemperate scripture. For example: if a word in Hebrew is used here in an instance, does it not mean the same in this other passage? Then they discuss.
The Christian fractions want everyone to “believe” the same things..they preach it to the children, they preach it to the congregations. If you don’t agree with their interpretation you can join a church that does, or start your own. They have Sunday school where discussion takes place…but it is only to discuss what everyone else already has been indoctrinated to believe.
In the Christian churches you are taught what you are to believe, in a Synagogue you are challenged to read for your own self, in the original language. To question is to grow.
The book never changes, it just waits for you to read it.
the testemeant before the new teastment may be refered to as the old teastment but it is a nickname (i gave it XD)
im talking about catholicism not jeudism I dont know enough about jeudism to even comment.

 

[flower]

Originally Posted by DragonZim
http:///forum/post/3193842
Sorry Flower. You had stated in a previous post that you are a Messianic Jew. The only definition I had ever heard pertaining to Messianic Jews were Jewish people that believe that the messiah had already come and was in fact Jesus.
I apologize!!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Messianic_Judaism

No need to apologize. I actually wanted to hear what those guys had to say, umm, lets see, 7 years ago.. They do alright on understanding that Jesus didn't do away with the Law. They think (Jesus) Yeshua (spelling?) is G-d himself..

I like that name better than "Jesus", but honestly how can they believe that? They have a cook book too...all the pork recipes are in the back.

 

[flower]

Originally Posted by Reef_Dart21
http:///forum/post/3193903
the testemeant before the new teastment may be refered to as the old teastment but it is a nickname (i gave it XD)
im talking about catholicism not jeudism I dont know enough about jeudism to even comment.

I have to go to work and don't have time to address this properly. In short, there was a christian movement that decided to pen the term old and new testamets to furthure seperate the original base of Christianity being a Jewish sect...they wanted to distance themselves from the "Jewish roots" to further the movement of trying to be free of the Law.
The only Law is the 10 commandments, everything in the Law is based on those 10. Not one of them are done away with by anyone sent from G-d. Old testament is NOT nick-name.
Just like December 25th was not just a date picked out of a hat to call it Jesus birthday. There is a very sinister backdrop to it all.

 

[meowzer]

"Sinister" ????

 

[reef_dart21]

Originally Posted by Flower
http:///forum/post/3193917

I have to go to work and don't have time to address this properly. In short, there was a christian movement that decided to pen the term old and new testamets to furthure seperate the original base of Christianity being a Jewish sect...they wanted to distance themselves from the "Jewish roots" to further the movement of trying to be free of the Law.
The only Law is the 10 commandments, everything in the Law is based on those 10. Not one of them are done away with by anyone sent from G-d. Old testament is NOT nick-name.
Just like December 25th was not just a date picked out of a hat to call it Jesus birthday. There is a very sinister backdrop to it all.
too be honest i really dont care, because the bible, to me, is nothing more than a fancy story.
Cathaliscism roots evolved(yea thats right evolved

) from greek mythology. Historians found evidence that Zues became the basic idea of god and the other gods were eventually nulified from cathalocism completely.
If you compare the bible and NEW TESTEAMENT their are alot of similarities between them and greek mythology.
Even Dante's Divin Comedy incorparate some parts of greek mythology, such as tarturus (greek equivelent to hell)
To me this proves the bible's events never occured because why would things change so much throughout history? If their was an ultimate being? same with the description in the books are very vaugue, if the perosn whom wrote it was a messenger from god would you think the information would be more precise for the ultimate being?

 

[yearofthenick]

ReefDart, show me your sources. Please. Show me some proof... hopefully you can do more than just flap your gums.

 

[jennythebugg]

ok my dad has studied theology for almost 40 years
he started out as a youth minister and chritian counselor (for a job he was an accountant)
he was ordained as a christian pastor when i was a teenager
he became an associate pastor (worked a a hospice chaplain)
became pastor of westside christian church i wanna say about 11 years ago (very small church about 30 members) - the church i attend
was given rabbi status and about 2 years ago started simchat ha adonai (sp) ( a messianic church that currently has about 60 members and new people show up all the time) - i cook oneg for the members every saturday
became so busy with both churches he retired from hospice work
he lives kosher the rest of the family chooses not to
my mother is an IT tech and is the main ''breadwinner'' in the family
his paycheck from westside is less than 20,000 a year he signs it back to the church for tithes and offering
not sure how much he makes from simchat , its more than that but from what i heard not by much and they pay for the food i cook to feed everyone on saturday out of their pocket
he wakes up at 5 am every day and prays and meditates for at least 2 hours
then eats breakfast and works out for an hour
when his watch goes off he gets cleaned up and visits the old folks homes / shut ins on his list
if he is done before lunch he lunches with me and mom
then makes his rounds at the hospitals
then heads to the churches and writes his drash/ sermon and does any wedding and funeral writings he needs to do.
he comes home 6 ish and has dinner
studies in his office/ plays with the grandkids loves his wife till 10 pm when he goes to bed.
he is very regimented, he is not a rich man , and every member of their churches (both of them) are like family to us.
I fail to live the kind of life i should for him . (typical preachers daughter i guess)
that is basically a day in the life so you decide for yourself , i know that all pastors and rabbis are different, but i figured that because of the nature of the discussion you all would be interested

 

[jemshores]

Originally Posted by Flower
http:///forum/post/3193621

I was not trying to make a Rabbi sound better than a pastor. I wanted the OP to understand how much his rabbi went through to be where he is today. Any Rabbi that earns upwards of $150.000 is surely well educated above the average.
For clarification…I agree. There are many clergy that do go and get a formal education, just as the rabbi I was talking about does.
Here is the only one point of difference I want to make. In Christianity, anyone who feels “called” can be a preacher. To be ordained and get a license to minister, one would only need a Bible and three people to sign up as the congregation. I think it can be done on line, and it cost …back in the day when I did the research..$20.00. I know a man who did this, he is a minister to this day.
That is the lowest requirement, not the highest. A Rabbi can NOT do this. He MUST have a degree, and he must have formal training. That is a Rabbis starting point.
Some rabbis, those who run the big synagogues, which are equal to universities as a learning institution…they are like professors and earn their wages. The ONLY point I was trying to make was that one should respect them not disrespect them.
That is why I said comparing a Rabbi to a preacher is like comparing a Sunday school teacher to a master of theology. Rabbi means teacher, he does not profess to be divinely called by G-d Almighty to save the world from hell fire. He is a teacher of the Law of Moses, and a leader in the community. He serves G-d, and his job is to teach others how to do the same. He spends his life in the study of the Torah.
Our Cantor is a CPA, that is how he makes his living. We don’t have a Rabbi…but we do have 3 Torah scrolls. Two were donated and one was purchased. The price tag on a scroll is indeed upwards of $10.000.00 (base price) The vest plate runs another $3000.00 and the crown runs about $2000.00.
I know things trailed off from there.
SteveDave08 Feel free to hit the ignore button and you won’t have to read anymore on not eating pork or anything else I have to say.

Ever since reading that post I sure don't look at the pork chops on my plate the same way anymore...back to this post-what would one do with all those theology degrees other than working in/at a church? Isn't that the main goal? Somewhere, income has to come into play. Never heard of a paid volunteer.

 

[reefraff]

Originally Posted by Reef_Dart21
http:///forum/post/3193700
We evolved so much differently through mutations that made us better suited to the environment than others. Evolutions basic concept is a mistake that gone right.
Some origanisms took a different road than us because different mutations allowed them to be better suited for a certain food group, environments, and activities. No one can explain exactly why we are humans and not apes, other than we drew the lucky straw in the evolution melting pot that required us to be bi pedal and more intellegant rather than strong and quad pedal.
I don't buy it for a second. Look at ocean going mammals, Dolphins and whales share a lot of similar traits and yet obviously took different paths through their evolutionary stages. How about birds? A Penguin swims rather than flies yet it has many other common traits to other birds.
Why are humans the only "apes" that developed the ability to communicate vocally or needs artificial means of surviving the elements? Show me the missing link? They have fossils to show the evolutionary stages of other species but not humans.

 

[flower]

Originally Posted by Reef_Dart21
http:///forum/post/3193942
too be honest i really dont care, because the bible, to me, is nothing more than a fancy story.
Cathaliscism roots evolved(yea thats right evolved

) from greek mythology. Historians found evidence that Zues became the basic idea of god and the other gods were eventually nulified from cathalocism completely.
If you compare the bible and NEW TESTEAMENT their are alot of similarities between them and greek mythology.
Even Dante's Divin Comedy incorparate some parts of greek mythology, such as tarturus (greek equivelent to hell)
To me this proves the bible's events never occured because why would things change so much throughout history? If their was an ultimate being? same with the description in the books are very vaugue, if the perosn whom wrote it was a messenger from god would you think the information would be more precise for the ultimate being?

Yes Meowzer...sinister.
The very fact that Mithras, which is indeed Greek Mythology is what makes MODERN Christianity downright evil. Constantine had a sinister plot to get rid Judaism and it's off shoot sect of Christianity …He just changed the new movement (Christianity) to his sun god by changing the names. This very much appealed to the pagans..Slick…then he told the pious that he wanted the people who worshipped pagan gods to turn to Christianity and by keeping certain dates and aspects it could be done. Rather than loose the new converts they allowed it, and now it is 1,685 years later and the lie continues, he succeeded and has duped the world..
Reef_Dart21: I have my doubts you ever really read the books...but..
The ONLY reason the bible looks like Greek mythology is because those with a western thought see the verses with the wrong mindset. You see the same words, but understand them differently than the Eastern mind that penned it.
An example:
I was at one of those little churches, not the mainstream. Some lady got up and declared she had a dream…In it she saw a lion come running and when it got to her town it stopped and roared.
The whole place busted out in happy dance shouting the Lion of the tribe of Judah was coming.
When they settled down, I raised my hand to be allowed to speak. I told them that while they see the lion as a kingly beast (western), it is a beast of destruction in scripture (eastern). I then spent the rest of the night showing those scriptures to different people. Yep…I was the party pooper..I got kicked out for being too Jewishy. True story.
To the folks in the USA, the owl as a symbol of wisdom, in the Bible it is a harald of death.
The eagle is a great majestic bird here. In the Bible when it says eagle it means, a volture.
If you think of Jesus as a demi-god it does look like Greek...Hercules was part man, part god. Then toss in human sacrifice, a thing God has hated throughout scripture.
On the subject of sacrifice:
The sacrifice the "new" testament is talking about is like the sacrifice a fireman or a soldier who dies in the line of duty. If they sacrifice their life to save you, then you should live a good life to show honor to thier efforts. If a good man dies for a person who does nothing but evil all his life, it is slap in the face to the good man, because he died for nothing.

 

[flower]

Originally Posted by jennythebugg
http:///forum/post/3194046
ok my dad has studied theology for almost 40 years
he started out as a youth minister and chritian counselor (for a job he was an accountant)
he was ordained as a christian pastor when i was a teenager
he became an associate pastor (worked a a hospice chaplain)
became pastor of westside christian church i wanna say about 11 years ago (very small church about 30 members) - the church i attend
was given rabbi status and about 2 years ago started simchat ha adonai (sp) ( a messianic church that currently has about 60 members and new people show up all the time) - i cook oneg for the members every saturday
became so busy with both churches he retired from hospice work
he lives kosher the rest of the family chooses not to
my mother is an IT tech and is the main ''breadwinner'' in the family
his paycheck from westside is less than 20,000 a year he signs it back to the church for tithes and offering
not sure how much he makes from simchat , its more than that but from what i heard not by much and they pay for the food i cook to feed everyone on saturday out of their pocket
he wakes up at 5 am every day and prays and meditates for at least 2 hours
then eats breakfast and works out for an hour
when his watch goes off he gets cleaned up and visits the old folks homes / shut ins on his list
if he is done before lunch he lunches with me and mom
then makes his rounds at the hospitals
then heads to the churches and writes his drash/ sermon and does any wedding and funeral writings he needs to do.
he comes home 6 ish and has dinner
studies in his office/ plays with the grandkids loves his wife till 10 pm when he goes to bed.
he is very regimented, he is not a rich man , and every member of their churches (both of them) are like family to us.
I fail to live the kind of life i should for him . (typical preachers daughter i guess)
that is basically a day in the life so you decide for yourself , i know that all pastors and rabbis are different, but i figured that because of the nature of the discussion you all would be interested

...Now if Messianics can grasp the fact that there is only One G-d and his name isn't Jesus...
Please notice that after 40 years of close study your dad came to the understnding that Judaism is the right way. That Jesus, nor his followers did away with the law. If you or anyone studies the books they will come to the same conclusion.
But I have to ask, live your life for him..doyou mean your father? You should live your life for yourself and G-d.