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rudedog40
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Originally Posted by Rylan1
Its not racists... just because you are unable to identify with it does not mean it is racist.
The Founding Father's considered all men equal too... yet many of them had slaves... because blacks were not men... give me a break and move on. Nothing about the church is racist. It from my account teaches african americans about who we are, where we are from, and how to restore our cultural identity in a biblical view.
Why do you need a church to tell you your heritage or where you came from? Do you actually know your family heritage? Where were your great great grandparents born? What the 'people who are of a different skin tone other than caucasian' need to do is get over the Slavery issue. People with darker skin color call themselves 'African American', yet a majority of them never had an ancestor directly from Africa. I remember watching this guy on Maury Povich (or one of those stupid daytime talk shows) who was with this 'African organization' who was pushing for the Federal Govt. to pay reparations to ALL Americans with a dark complexion for the autrocities of slavery. Maury did a little history on the guy, and come to find out, his ancestors came from France, and didn't even immigrate to the US until years after slavery was abolished. The point I'm trying to make is Obama's ethnicity shouldn't mean a thing when it comes to his running for President. If he is affiliated with this 'church' solely on the basis that it promotes 'African American' heritages, then I have an issue with him running this country.
Its not racists... just because you are unable to identify with it does not mean it is racist.
The Founding Father's considered all men equal too... yet many of them had slaves... because blacks were not men... give me a break and move on. Nothing about the church is racist. It from my account teaches african americans about who we are, where we are from, and how to restore our cultural identity in a biblical view.
Why do you need a church to tell you your heritage or where you came from? Do you actually know your family heritage? Where were your great great grandparents born? What the 'people who are of a different skin tone other than caucasian' need to do is get over the Slavery issue. People with darker skin color call themselves 'African American', yet a majority of them never had an ancestor directly from Africa. I remember watching this guy on Maury Povich (or one of those stupid daytime talk shows) who was with this 'African organization' who was pushing for the Federal Govt. to pay reparations to ALL Americans with a dark complexion for the autrocities of slavery. Maury did a little history on the guy, and come to find out, his ancestors came from France, and didn't even immigrate to the US until years after slavery was abolished. The point I'm trying to make is Obama's ethnicity shouldn't mean a thing when it comes to his running for President. If he is affiliated with this 'church' solely on the basis that it promotes 'African American' heritages, then I have an issue with him running this country.
1journeyman
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Originally Posted by Rylan1
You can blame the USA and others for what continues in Africa. It is similar to Iraq and Afghanastan yet we turn a blind eye and its at minimum backpage news.
Utter, total, complete nonsense.
What is taking place in Africa right now is 100% tribal. Yes, most of Africa was "occupied" until after WW2. A strong argument could certainly be made that the continent was better off then.
Originally Posted by Rylan1
But the slave trade is the worst thing in Americas history, and it still has an effect on today.
I'd argue the fact we used chemical (arsenic and other poisons) and biological (smallpox infested balnkets) weapons to wipe out hundreds of thousands of Native Americans is he worst thing our country ever did, but that's besides the point.
Originally Posted by Rylan1
And you can shorten 300 years to 100. Because sharecropping and reconstruction were still slavery. .....
No they were not. Certainly, they were oppressive, but they weren't slavery.
You can blame the USA and others for what continues in Africa. It is similar to Iraq and Afghanastan yet we turn a blind eye and its at minimum backpage news.
Utter, total, complete nonsense.
What is taking place in Africa right now is 100% tribal. Yes, most of Africa was "occupied" until after WW2. A strong argument could certainly be made that the continent was better off then.
Originally Posted by Rylan1
But the slave trade is the worst thing in Americas history, and it still has an effect on today.
I'd argue the fact we used chemical (arsenic and other poisons) and biological (smallpox infested balnkets) weapons to wipe out hundreds of thousands of Native Americans is he worst thing our country ever did, but that's besides the point.
Originally Posted by Rylan1
And you can shorten 300 years to 100. Because sharecropping and reconstruction were still slavery. .....
No they were not. Certainly, they were oppressive, but they weren't slavery.
1journeyman
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Originally Posted by Rylan1
What is the difference... ...
Well, for starters, Stalin managed to kill over 40 million of his own people. He did this to rid the Soviet Empire of the creative, the intelligent, the "free thinkers".
Shall we continue to discuss the differences? There are a lot more...
What is the difference... ...
Well, for starters, Stalin managed to kill over 40 million of his own people. He did this to rid the Soviet Empire of the creative, the intelligent, the "free thinkers".
Shall we continue to discuss the differences? There are a lot more...
1journeyman
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Originally Posted by Rylan1
Back to my point... much of the issues in certain african nations are similar to Iraq because they deal w/ power struggles b/w ethnic and religious groups. ...
And how is that the fault of the USA? (which you said in a post just above this one)
Back to my point... much of the issues in certain african nations are similar to Iraq because they deal w/ power struggles b/w ethnic and religious groups. ...
And how is that the fault of the USA? (which you said in a post just above this one)
1journeyman
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Originally Posted by rudedog40
Why do you need a church to tell you your heritage or where you came from? Do you actually know your family heritage? Where were your great great grandparents born? What the 'people who are of a different skin tone other than caucasian' need to do is get over the Slavery issue. People with darker skin color call themselves 'African American', yet a majority of them never had an ancestor directly from Africa. I remember watching this guy on Maury Povich (or one of those stupid daytime talk shows) who was with this 'African organization' who was pushing for the Federal Govt. to pay reparations to ALL Americans with a dark complexion for the autrocities of slavery. Maury did a little history on the guy, and come to find out, his ancestors came from France, and didn't even immigrate to the US until years after slavery was abolished. The point I'm trying to make is Obama's ethnicity shouldn't mean a thing when it comes to his running for President. If he is affiliated with this 'church' solely on the basis that it promotes 'African American' heritages, then I have an issue with him running this country.
I agree...
(If you look on the horizon you can probably see Four Horsemen.
When Rudedog and I agree on something political the End is near)
Why do you need a church to tell you your heritage or where you came from? Do you actually know your family heritage? Where were your great great grandparents born? What the 'people who are of a different skin tone other than caucasian' need to do is get over the Slavery issue. People with darker skin color call themselves 'African American', yet a majority of them never had an ancestor directly from Africa. I remember watching this guy on Maury Povich (or one of those stupid daytime talk shows) who was with this 'African organization' who was pushing for the Federal Govt. to pay reparations to ALL Americans with a dark complexion for the autrocities of slavery. Maury did a little history on the guy, and come to find out, his ancestors came from France, and didn't even immigrate to the US until years after slavery was abolished. The point I'm trying to make is Obama's ethnicity shouldn't mean a thing when it comes to his running for President. If he is affiliated with this 'church' solely on the basis that it promotes 'African American' heritages, then I have an issue with him running this country.
I agree...
(If you look on the horizon you can probably see Four Horsemen.
stdreb27
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You know it is funny, I've got a real african american friend, who applied for an african american scholarship to go to law school, but he was denied, because he wasn't black. That is racism.
You see there is a problem with a church or anyone promoting such that "certain culture" is based on the "color of the skin." It is based on heritage, family, location, language and other factors. So someone fueling the idealogy that preaches different pigmentation makes you differentiates you as a person, in your belief stucture. That person, he is the racist, and there is no place in our america to vote for someone who perscribes to such idealogy.
You see there is a problem with a church or anyone promoting such that "certain culture" is based on the "color of the skin." It is based on heritage, family, location, language and other factors. So someone fueling the idealogy that preaches different pigmentation makes you differentiates you as a person, in your belief stucture. That person, he is the racist, and there is no place in our america to vote for someone who perscribes to such idealogy.
stdreb27
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You know for once in my life I think I agree with Clinton, the whole barack thing is a fairy tail. This guy got sworn in, in January 05, you realise that he has been in the U.S. senate for 3 WHOLE years. He is still a Jr. Senator. Seriously. I just don't understand how he can already be in the national forfront? It would be like after 3 years Radioshack hiring me to be their CEO.
jerthunter
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Originally Posted by stdreb27
You know it is funny, I've got a real african american friend, who applied for an african american scholarship to go to law school, but he was denied, because he wasn't black. That is racism.
You see there is a problem with a church or anyone promoting such that "certain culture" is based on the "color of the skin." It is based on heritage, family, location, language and other factors. So someone fueling the idealogy that preaches different pigmentation makes you differentiates you as a person, in your belief stucture. That person, he is the racist, and there is no place in our america to vote for someone who perscribes to such idealogy.
That is funny.. All my African American friends are not real...
So a group of people, that has been isolated from the majority culture and has had its culture taken from them, strives to preserve as much of their culture as they can. I still see no problem that.
You know it is funny, I've got a real african american friend, who applied for an african american scholarship to go to law school, but he was denied, because he wasn't black. That is racism.
You see there is a problem with a church or anyone promoting such that "certain culture" is based on the "color of the skin." It is based on heritage, family, location, language and other factors. So someone fueling the idealogy that preaches different pigmentation makes you differentiates you as a person, in your belief stucture. That person, he is the racist, and there is no place in our america to vote for someone who perscribes to such idealogy.
That is funny.. All my African American friends are not real...
So a group of people, that has been isolated from the majority culture and has had its culture taken from them, strives to preserve as much of their culture as they can. I still see no problem that.
stdreb27
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It just goes to show how weak hilary really is. Bill Richarson should be in the forfront. He has ran a state pretty well, used to (although he has gone left like everyone else) have a pretty good economic understanding. And is from the south Dems need to do good in the south, they need to break the red state control down here.
stdreb27
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Originally Posted by Jerthunter
That is funny.. All my African American friends are not real...
So a group of people, that has been isolated from the majority culture and has had its culture taken from them, strives to preserve as much of their culture as they can. I still see no problem that.
A culture whose only idenity is gleaned simply by the color of ones skin is no culture at all. But a racist faction.
btw, he really was from africa. Born there lived there for most of his childhood.
That is funny.. All my African American friends are not real...
So a group of people, that has been isolated from the majority culture and has had its culture taken from them, strives to preserve as much of their culture as they can. I still see no problem that.
A culture whose only idenity is gleaned simply by the color of ones skin is no culture at all. But a racist faction.
btw, he really was from africa. Born there lived there for most of his childhood.
stdreb27
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i'm more of a victim of discrimination, than black people are a victim of slavery. My great-grandfather faked his death, so his kids could change their name from Chan to Angulo. So they could go it school. I'm not negatively effected by this, or really positively. It is history a good family story.
Torn away from their culture, the last legal slave ship was in 1807? Caucasians don't even remember their culture from that long ago.
Torn away from their culture, the last legal slave ship was in 1807? Caucasians don't even remember their culture from that long ago.
jerthunter
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Originally Posted by stdreb27
A culture whose only idenity is gleaned simply by the color of ones skin is no culture at all. But a racist faction.
btw, he really was from africa. Born there lived there for most of his childhood.
If a group is isolated for any reason, skin color included, they will develop their own culture. So if people are isolated for their skin color I seems logical that they will view the reason they are isolated (skin color) as being part of their culture.
A culture whose only idenity is gleaned simply by the color of ones skin is no culture at all. But a racist faction.
btw, he really was from africa. Born there lived there for most of his childhood.
If a group is isolated for any reason, skin color included, they will develop their own culture. So if people are isolated for their skin color I seems logical that they will view the reason they are isolated (skin color) as being part of their culture.
jerthunter
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Originally Posted by stdreb27
i'm more of a victim of discrimination, than black people are a victim of slavery. My great-grandfather faked his death, so his kids could change their name from Chan to Angulo. So they could go it school. I'm not negatively effected by this, or really positively. It is history a good family story.
Torn away from their culture, the last legal slave ship was in 1807? Caucasians don't even remember their culture from that long ago.
Seeing as Western world history is a requirement in most US schools (if not all) I find it hard to believe that most caucasians don't even remember their culture from that long ago..
i'm more of a victim of discrimination, than black people are a victim of slavery. My great-grandfather faked his death, so his kids could change their name from Chan to Angulo. So they could go it school. I'm not negatively effected by this, or really positively. It is history a good family story.
Torn away from their culture, the last legal slave ship was in 1807? Caucasians don't even remember their culture from that long ago.
Seeing as Western world history is a requirement in most US schools (if not all) I find it hard to believe that most caucasians don't even remember their culture from that long ago..
jerthunter
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Originally Posted by stdreb27
btw, he really was from africa. Born there lived there for most of his childhood.
Maybe they just wanted to give the scholarships to people born in the U.S.
btw, he really was from africa. Born there lived there for most of his childhood.
Maybe they just wanted to give the scholarships to people born in the U.S.
stdreb27
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Originally Posted by Jerthunter
Seeing as Western world history is a requirement in most US schools (if not all) I find it hard to believe that most caucasians don't even remember their culture from that long ago..
lol I got into a discussion yesterday with a friend who argued that our founding fathers in no way considered their judeo-christian beliefs when writing a constitution. I had to even convince him that they weren't all athists.
And judging from my college history classes. I seriously begin to wonder if they even teach history at all.
Because my college course was easier than my my high school courses at a private school. BTW it is a blast to tick off your teacher for not studying, then make an A on the tests. It is also fun, when she incorrectly marks an answer wrong to go dispute the answer and get it changed. Because she was uninformed on the subject. And this was someone with a Masters in American History...
Besides study of culture is anthropology, or sociology. NOT history.
How about cultures from 80 years ago. You ever meet someone who survived the great depression. Those are some penny pinchers. but look at us today, it is totally different.
To boil it down, a culture from 200 to 300 years ago is gone, evolved, extict. To say that our history courses "remind us of this culture" is inaccurate, Anthropology or sociology is a study of culture. And for someone to promote a culture, based on the color of your skin, is racist.
Seeing as Western world history is a requirement in most US schools (if not all) I find it hard to believe that most caucasians don't even remember their culture from that long ago..
lol I got into a discussion yesterday with a friend who argued that our founding fathers in no way considered their judeo-christian beliefs when writing a constitution. I had to even convince him that they weren't all athists.
And judging from my college history classes. I seriously begin to wonder if they even teach history at all.
Because my college course was easier than my my high school courses at a private school. BTW it is a blast to tick off your teacher for not studying, then make an A on the tests. It is also fun, when she incorrectly marks an answer wrong to go dispute the answer and get it changed. Because she was uninformed on the subject. And this was someone with a Masters in American History...
How about cultures from 80 years ago. You ever meet someone who survived the great depression. Those are some penny pinchers. but look at us today, it is totally different.
To boil it down, a culture from 200 to 300 years ago is gone, evolved, extict. To say that our history courses "remind us of this culture" is inaccurate, Anthropology or sociology is a study of culture. And for someone to promote a culture, based on the color of your skin, is racist.
stdreb27
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Originally Posted by Jerthunter
Maybe they just wanted to give the scholarships to people born in the U.S.
The dear john letter said, you did not meet the "qualifications." As a future lawyer, he read the fine print, and the only qualification he didn't meet was the pc definition of african-american.
Maybe they just wanted to give the scholarships to people born in the U.S.
The dear john letter said, you did not meet the "qualifications." As a future lawyer, he read the fine print, and the only qualification he didn't meet was the pc definition of african-american.
rylan1
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Originally Posted by rudedog40
Why do you need a church to tell you your heritage or where you came from? Do you actually know your family heritage? Where were your great great grandparents born? What the 'people who are of a different skin tone other than caucasian' need to do is get over the Slavery issue. People with darker skin color call themselves 'African American', yet a majority of them never had an ancestor directly from Africa. I remember watching this guy on Maury Povich (or one of those stupid daytime talk shows) who was with this 'African organization' who was pushing for the Federal Govt. to pay reparations to ALL Americans with a dark complexion for the autrocities of slavery. Maury did a little history on the guy, and come to find out, his ancestors came from France, and didn't even immigrate to the US until years after slavery was abolished. The point I'm trying to make is Obama's ethnicity shouldn't mean a thing when it comes to his running for President. If he is affiliated with this 'church' solely on the basis that it promotes 'African American' heritages, then I have an issue with him running this country.
I'm sure that man you speak of respresents maybe 5% of black people. And I do know where my great grandparents were born. And you can't get over slavery because it set up a racist culture and mind set that has been ingrained into the very fabric of America. Racism is just as american as apple pie. To tell the ancestors of slaves to simply get over it is wrong when society despretely resisted all attempts by these people to gain an equal share of live and liberty... Our leaders where treated as terrorist, murdered, and jailed... The gov't and FBI illegally spyed and attempted to discredit and end the our plight for justice. All these things happpened within this generation so slavery is not just an event that ended... it lives in the mindset of racist individuals and in institutions that believe blacks are less qualified.. If you say our country is not ready for a black president says that the effects of slavery are still pertinant today.
And as far as reprarations... it is too late, however we were promised 40 acres and a mull, which we never got.
Why do you need a church to tell you your heritage or where you came from? Do you actually know your family heritage? Where were your great great grandparents born? What the 'people who are of a different skin tone other than caucasian' need to do is get over the Slavery issue. People with darker skin color call themselves 'African American', yet a majority of them never had an ancestor directly from Africa. I remember watching this guy on Maury Povich (or one of those stupid daytime talk shows) who was with this 'African organization' who was pushing for the Federal Govt. to pay reparations to ALL Americans with a dark complexion for the autrocities of slavery. Maury did a little history on the guy, and come to find out, his ancestors came from France, and didn't even immigrate to the US until years after slavery was abolished. The point I'm trying to make is Obama's ethnicity shouldn't mean a thing when it comes to his running for President. If he is affiliated with this 'church' solely on the basis that it promotes 'African American' heritages, then I have an issue with him running this country.
I'm sure that man you speak of respresents maybe 5% of black people. And I do know where my great grandparents were born. And you can't get over slavery because it set up a racist culture and mind set that has been ingrained into the very fabric of America. Racism is just as american as apple pie. To tell the ancestors of slaves to simply get over it is wrong when society despretely resisted all attempts by these people to gain an equal share of live and liberty... Our leaders where treated as terrorist, murdered, and jailed... The gov't and FBI illegally spyed and attempted to discredit and end the our plight for justice. All these things happpened within this generation so slavery is not just an event that ended... it lives in the mindset of racist individuals and in institutions that believe blacks are less qualified.. If you say our country is not ready for a black president says that the effects of slavery are still pertinant today.
And as far as reprarations... it is too late, however we were promised 40 acres and a mull, which we never got.