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[rylan1]

Originally Posted by reefraff
What gets me is the United States didn't create slavery and we weren't the last country to abolish it but you would never know it by listening to the PC crowd.
As if this matters. And as far as abolishing slavery... as far as the last one to my reculection...I'd have to look it up but I believe there was only like a 10 year difference.

 

[1journeyman]

Originally Posted by Rylan1
And as far as reprarations... it is too late, however we were promised 40 acres and a mull, which we never got.
You were promised that Ryan? Were your parents? Grandparents?
500 years from now will be still be divided as a nation because a WORLDWIDE tragedy?

 

[1journeyman]

Originally Posted by Rylan1
And as far as reprarations... it is too late, however we were promised 40 acres and a mull, which we never got.
You were promised that Ryan? Were your parents? Grandparents?
500 years from now will be still be divided as a nation because of a WORLDWIDE tragedy?
Actually, you know what? I like this reperation idea. I have some native american ancestors. They were promised a heck of a lot. Where do I get what's owed to me through my ancestors?
This living in the past must end if we are ever going to be a united nation.

 

[stdreb27]

Originally Posted by Rylan1
you can't get over slavery
I think you can, an american can do whatever he sets his mind to. My family is proof.

 

[rylan1]

Originally Posted by stdreb27
lol I got into a discussion yesterday with a friend who argued that our founding fathers in no way considered their judeo-christian beliefs when writing a constitution. I had to even convince him that they weren't all athists.

And judging from my college history classes. I seriously begin to wonder if they even teach history at all.
Because my college course was easier than my my high school courses at a private school. BTW it is a blast to tick off your teacher for not studying, then make an A on the tests. It is also fun, when she incorrectly marks an answer wrong to go dispute the answer and get it changed. Because she was uninformed on the subject. And this was someone with a Masters in American History...

Besides study of culture is anthropology, or sociology. NOT history.
How about cultures from 80 years ago. You ever meet someone who survived the great depression. Those are some penny pinchers. but look at us today, it is totally different.
To boil it down, a culture from 200 to 300 years ago is gone, evolved, extict. To say that our history courses "remind us of this culture" is inaccurate, Anthropology or sociology is a study of culture. And for someone to promote a culture, based on the color of your skin, is racist.
Your comments about culture are off... all black people have an african lineage in the term in which you describe them as black.
Many of the founding fathers where freemasons which in many ways not christian at all.

 

[rylan1]

Originally Posted by stdreb27
I think you can, an american can do whatever he sets his mind to. My family is proof.

not fair to take a portion of a sentence and misuse it ... this is a misquote.... I'll agree that you can do anything you set your mind to.

 

[stdreb27]

Originally Posted by Rylan1
not fair to take a portion of a sentence and misuse it ... this is a misquote.... I'll agree that you can do anything you set your mind to.
You said it. The rest of your statement simply backs up this point.

 

[rylan1]

Originally Posted by 1journeyman
You were promised that Ryan? Were your parents? Grandparents?
500 years from now will be still be divided as a nation because of a WORLDWIDE tragedy?
Actually, you know what? I like this reperation idea. I have some native american ancestors. They were promised a heck of a lot. Where do I get what's owed to me through my ancestors?
This living in the past must end if we are ever going to be a united nation.

Well there sure is a whole lot of nothing to get passed along. Much of the wealth of this country was handed down from generation to generation. You can go to the south or other places and families will have homes and property that is 100-150 years and older.
And as far as reparations... Japanese people recieved them... At least native americans got some land... but they were also treated terrible after they were murdered and misplaced.
As far as sharecropping a couple of posts back... it was another form of slavery that forced people to work the land for no wages. Do some research on it before you decide to disagree. By the way... they do not teach you history in school.

 

[rudedog40]

Originally Posted by Rylan1
I'm sure that man you speak of respresents maybe 5% of black people. And I do know where my great grandparents were born. And you can't get over slavery because it set up a racist culture and mind set that has been ingrained into the very fabric of America. Racism is just as american as apple pie. To tell the ancestors of slaves to simply get over it is wrong when society despretely resisted all attempts by these people to gain an equal share of live and liberty... Our leaders where treated as terrorist, murdered, and jailed... The gov't and FBI illegally spyed and attempted to discredit and end the our plight for justice. All these things happpened within this generation so slavery is not just an event that ended... it lives in the mindset of racist individuals and in institutions that believe blacks are less qualified.. If you say our country is not ready for a black president says that the effects of slavery are still pertinant today.
And as far as reprarations... it is too late, however we were promised 40 acres and a mull, which we never got.

Why not get over it? You want oppression? My grandmother was full Commanche from an Oklahoma tribe. Let's talk about what happened to the American Indian, and what is still happening today. They were here before any of your ancestors showed up, and had practically everything taken away from them from the US Government. My grandmother told me of stories where her family wasn't allowed into certain stores or other public places because of their race. I have a distant cousin who to this day still lives on a reservation. Did anyone in my family harbor any grudges or ill will against this country? Don't think so. We moved on and made a life for ourselves without demanding 'something for nothing' simply because of what happened over 200 years ago. The only 'racist culture and mind set that has been ingrained into the very fabric of America' is what the African American people created themselves. You've used your race to get opportunities and privileges other races had to work to get. Equality? I don't see any national holidays for any famous American Indians, Irishmen, Italians, or Germans. I don't see any states giving the American Indians formal apologies for 'enslaving' them to reservations (like New England or whatever state that was recently who apologized for slavery). Don't dare accuse a black person of committing any major crime. Otherwise you'll have Rev. 'crawl out from under my rock anytime I can get into the limelight' Jesse Jackson, or his cousin Rev. Al Sharpton coming at you with insinuations that you're only attacking this innocent person because of his color or race.
I agree that the blacks were discriminated against severely 30 to 40 years ago. But there's more reverse discrimination today against the whites because of the guilt pushed on them for what did happen back then. Look at your Fortune 500 companies, and see what percentage of blacks are in the executive pool. The most influential and powerful woman in the WORLD is Oprah Winfrey. And now we have a African American dissent male running for the highest office in this country. Like I said, 'get over it'.

 

[stdreb27]

Originally Posted by rudedog40
But there's more reverse discrimination today against the whites because of the guilt pushed on them for what did happen back then.
While I agree with the idea of your post, this might just be a bit of a stretch.

 

[1journeyman]

Originally Posted by Rylan1
...By the way... they do not teach you history in school.
Ryan, in all fairness, would you like to go back the past week or so and count the number of things you've posted that have been 100% false?
Don't assume I wasn't taught history is school. I actually went to a very solid private High School and had some great profs in college.
Sharecropping was in no way "slavery", nor was it race specific. Many poor white farmers also got trapped in the exploitive practice.

 

[rylan1]

Originally Posted by stdreb27
You said it. The rest of your statement simply backs up this point.
the last thing I'll say about it is this... By you saying to just get over it is wrong. It takes much more than just that. You want people to act as if it never happened and that it still doesn't have an influence to what is currently happenning in America today. You want to just cover up the problem instead of addressing it. You (America) don't want to take responsiblity for it and its aftermath. If you had any idea of all the terrible things that happened to african americans after slavery... you may have a different perception. We can't just get over slavery because for 100 years after it... you did not allow us to. By getting over slavery it means to me that they will accept the ugly history of our past and its prevaling presence in modern history. When we can begin to address the the vast disparities in education, income, leadership, legal system, loans, etc...etc. As I stated before anything is possible in this country if you are willing to work hard enough for it. But just because I am a millionare with a house in the Hamptons doesn't mean that anything has changed when the same problems still exist.

 

[1journeyman]

Ryan, whether you move on or not is your choice.
The rest of the world is moving on, however. We're not ignoring what took place 250 years ago, but I personally am not going to lose a second of sleep over it either. I didn't have anything to do with it.

 

[rylan1]

Originally Posted by 1journeyman
Ryan, in all fairness, would you like to go back the past week or so and count the number of things you've posted that have been 100% false?
Don't assume I wasn't taught history is school. I actually went to a very solid private High School and had some great profs in college.
Sharecropping was in no way "slavery", nor was it race specific. Many poor white farmers also got trapped in the exploitive practice.
Funny, so did I.
And you are right about poor whites being trapped in sharecropping... but it was another form of slavery. Just as you categorize slave-labor in all parts of the world.
In Reconstruction-era United States, sharecropping worked in collaboration with convict lease to re-employ former slaves in jobs similar to those performed prior to their emancipation. To avoid the worst situation of becoming convict laborers, farmers were forced to enter into extremely disadvantageous sharecrop agreements that generally left them permanently in debt to the landowner. farmers came to depend on local merchants for credit.Because the cycle of debt that ensued year by year the promise of economic independence faded, forcing them to work the land with little to no wages. Even though they were free to go as they pleased, if they decided to leave the farm... they would be treated as a criminal and essentially they were stuck.
Lets end the history lesson and get back to the Republican candidates.

 

[rylan1]

Originally Posted by 1journeyman
Ryan, whether you move on or not is your choice.
The rest of the world is moving on, however. We're not ignoring what took place 250 years ago, but I personally am not going to lose a second of sleep over it either. I didn't have anything to do with it.
no one is telling you to loose sleep or to personally feel responsible for it. But the racial inequalities and racism in this country all go back to slavery. Until we deal with it... we will see the same things . The remark to dismiss it is wrong just like we can't dismiss the the works of our founding fathers and the Constitution.

 

[rylan1]

Originally Posted by rudedog40
Why not get over it? You want oppression? My grandmother was full Commanche from an Oklahoma tribe. Let's talk about what happened to the American Indian, and what is still happening today. They were here before any of your ancestors showed up, and had practically everything taken away from them from the US Government. My grandmother told me of stories where her family wasn't allowed into certain stores or other public places because of their race. I have a distant cousin who to this day still lives on a reservation. Did anyone in my family harbor any grudges or ill will against this country? Don't think so. We moved on and made a life for ourselves without demanding 'something for nothing' simply because of what happened over 200 years ago. The only 'racist culture and mind set that has been ingrained into the very fabric of America' is what the African American people created themselves. You've used your race to get opportunities and privileges other races had to work to get. Equality? I don't see any national holidays for any famous American Indians, Irishmen, Italians, or Germans. I don't see any states giving the American Indians formal apologies for 'enslaving' them to reservations (like New England or whatever state that was recently who apologized for slavery). Don't dare accuse a black person of committing any major crime. Otherwise you'll have Rev. 'crawl out from under my rock anytime I can get into the limelight' Jesse Jackson, or his cousin Rev. Al Sharpton coming at you with insinuations that you're only attacking this innocent person because of his color or race.
I agree that the blacks were discriminated against severely 30 to 40 years ago. But there's more reverse discrimination today against the whites because of the guilt pushed on them for what did happen back then. Look at your Fortune 500 companies, and see what percentage of blacks are in the executive pool. The most influential and powerful woman in the WORLD is Oprah Winfrey. And now we have a African American dissent male running for the highest office in this country. Like I said, 'get over it'.
It sounds like to me that you do have some gripes.... do you feel you are loosing your place in america? By the way Martin Luther King is not just an african american... He is an AMERICAN HERO! And by the way you have a holiday for a murder
ous Spainard who didn't discover America. You need to get a clue...I also acknowledged the plight of native americans. There were also treaties and deals set up with the gov't and native americans. But I am tired of responding to ignorant statements ... so lets talk about the candidates

 

[darthtang aw]

Originally Posted by Rylan1
It sounds like to me that you do have some gripes.... do you feel you are loosing your place in america? By the way Martin Luther King is not just an african american... He is an AMERICAN HERO! And by the way you have a holiday for a murder
ous Spainard who didn't discover America. You need to get a clue...I also acknowledged the plight of native americans. There were also treaties and deals set up with the gov't and native americans. But I am tired of responding to ignorant statements ... so lets talk about the candidates
Many millions of years ago your distant relative Cain killed my distant relative Abel.....you owe me money.

 

[darthtang aw]

Originally Posted by Rylan1
But the racial inequalities and racism in this country all go back to slavery.

It goes far further than that.

 

[rylan1]

Originally Posted by Darthtang AW
Many millions of years ago your distant relative Cain killed my distant relative Abel.....you owe me money.

there are no Abel decendents.... sorry...

 

[rylan1]

So after the IA and NH primaries...who is out and is there a new leader, or are we back to square 1?