Republican Candidates

[rylan1]

Originally Posted by TangMan99
Man! How did I miss out on this thread. It's too long to read now but man did it take a turn somewhere.
I will throw in my two cents. I'm pretty familiar with the history of country and I believe progress has been made since I was a kid 30+ years ago. Things are not perfect but they are better. Now everyone is prejudice to a certain extent. If you say you aren't you are either fooling yourself or lying.
Now what really gets to me is the forced diversity training I have to take every damn year at work. I don't have a problem with being exposed to diversity but when I have to go to training year after year after year, it gets to the point where I feel like it is being shove up my rear and I'm pretty tired of it.
I feel like I'm a decent person and I try to treat everyone fair, but I'm as a diverse as I'm going to get. Making me attend training every year is starting to have the opposite affect from what it is intended to do.
I can agree with this... we have these things year after year to... don't forget sexual harassment too.

 

[rudedog40]

Originally Posted by stdreb27
Watch out here comes another "misquote".
lol, you right, Republicans, Bush don't cater to "black causes."

How many "african-american" secratary of states were their before bush? The simple fact Bush has had more minorities in high offices than any other president. Not because they were woman, black brown or whatever, but because they were qualified. I'm not interested in sweeping history under the rug. I really like the Jews approach to negative history in their past. You learn from the past. Not blame the past for your failures today. But if we want to get rid of racism, then we simply have to be color blind. In my mind I couldn't give a flying

that barrack is black, I do have a problem with him being a US congress man for only 3 years.

Actually, if you look at it, Obama hasn't even been a congressman for the last two years. Him and Hillary have been spending the last two years traveling the country trying to win the presidential election. A freshman congressman who probably hasn't spent a full year supporting his constituents. Whose been doing it? Will he have someone also doing his job as President?

 

[rylan1]

Originally Posted by stdreb27
U highjacked it. Not me.

I don't think I did... but it did take a big turn.

 

[rylan1]

Originally Posted by stdreb27
Watch out here comes another "misquote".
lol, you right, Republicans, Bush don't cater to "black causes."

How many "african-american" secratary of states were their before bush? The simple fact Bush has had more minorities in high offices than any other president. Not because they were woman, black brown or whatever, but because they were qualified. I'm not interested in sweeping history under the rug. I really like the Jews approach to negative history in their past. You learn from the past. Not blame the past for your failures today. But if we want to get rid of racism, then we simply have to be color blind. In my mind I couldn't give a flying

that barrack is black, I do have a problem with him being a US congress man for only 3 years.
Just because you have a particular group of people in your cabinet doesn't mean that for the party...that they ignore potential black voters and audiences. Bush has the most qualified people in those positions I would think.. which makes me wonder why republicans don't seek the black vote, the current nominees turned down all requests by black media organizations and latino media organizations. As you can see there are some very high ranking republicans...they should be able to use that as an advantage, but they don't... They just say look at what Bush did. But as politicians you can't ignore entire groups of people as they have been in the last few elections.
One more point... Obama is changing politics... I heard a quote saying that he is the Tiger Woods of politics. I understand that experience is important, however Bush has had the most experienced people such as Cheney and Rumsfield and the policies of this admin are terrible.

 

[rudedog40]

Originally Posted by rudedog40
The only reason MLK is considered a hero to anyone in this country, is because YOUR RACE put him on that pedestal. MLK was a radical extremist like his buddy Malcolm X. He was just clever by hiding it behind his pacifist ways. Losing my place in America?

The whites lost that years ago. Unfortunately, we can't use the 'race card' like all the rest of the minorities in this country to get what we want.
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if loosing your place as a white male means that america is more equal for women and minorities than that is a good thing. He was clever... huh? Sounds to me that you hold Robert E Lee as a hero and not MLK...If this is true than you have that right; however, most americans would view that as a racist belief...I am not judging you...but I would bet 85-90% ofpeoplewould agree.
I guess you could consider than extremist because they were against the establishment of racism in america. Jesus was considered an extreme radical in his day too. Point is that in days passed by...we know their messages were truth. Malcom X changed his views as he learned more about the world in large...He admitted he was basically brainwashed and later renounced his view of all whites being devils and his militant approach. I would encourage you to listen to his last speech...very enlightening and what was said holds true today.

The worst thing that could have happened to MLK did. Some white supremist fanatic put a bullet in him and turned him into a martyr and a saint. If he were still alive today, I honestly don't thing anything dramatic in history would've changed, with the exception that black equality would have happened sooner. He'd come crawl out from under his rock every now and then, like Rev. Jesse and Rev. Al, anytime some national spotlight were on about some racial inequity.
Yes, black equality. You don't seem to think it's real, but I'm afraid it is. Blacks are no longer relogated to the back of the bus (they own most of them), don't have to use separate bathrooms or water faucets, are admitted and excepted to every major university in this country (usually the ones with the full athletic scholarships), and are just as powerful and influencial in America's industry as any other race in this country.
NHL racist? I guess so. White men can't jump, and black men can't skate.

 

[burch2006]

rylan your push for repairations has made it apparent you are looking for a handout... If everyone else can do it (katrina victims) why not you right? Voting for Obama simply because he is black would be the same as me voting for Huckabee just because he is christian... Neither are political issues and both equally stupid. I do support you though that we need a minority president. Someone with a different view on life, but they have to have the qualifications and down to earth, and some of his viewpoints are just not logical.
Oh and Sudan still practices slavery...
about the republicans not catering to blacks... Alan Keyes
And Rylan dude you're not even 30 what horrible attrocities have you faced that has made you so bitter?

 

[rylan1]

Originally Posted by Rylan1
The worst thing that could have happened to MLK did. Some white supremist fanatic put a bullet in him and turned him into a martyr and a saint. If he were still alive today, I honestly don't thing anything dramatic in history would've changed, with the exception that black equality would have happened sooner. He'd come crawl out from under his rock every now and then, like Rev. Jesse and Rev. Al, anytime some national spotlight were on about some racial inequity.
Yes, black equality. You don't seem to think it's real, but I'm afraid it is. Blacks are no longer relogated to the back of the bus (they own most of them), don't have to use separate bathrooms or water faucets, are admitted and excepted to every major university in this country (usually the ones with the full athletic scholarships), and are just as powerful and influencial in America's industry as any other race in this country.
NHL racist? I guess so. White men can't jump, and black men can't skate.
You need to stop... I'll respond form the bottom up... a black man won the gold in skating in the past winter olympics... there are good black men in the NHL...I don't believe that those leagues are racist and that people are excluded(today at least). I know white men who have 40inch verticles. I won't assume that I know much about you so I won't make a judgement on the things that you are saying. Your view of history and MLK is wrong. He is thought by many as being the most influential person of the 20th century. Segregation was ended largely because of his work. Minorities, women, gays can all thank him for his efforts involving civil rights. I would encourage you to learn about his contributions and life and you have a great opportunity to do that since a holiday is about a week away. There should be tons of material available to you.

 

[1journeyman]

Originally Posted by Rylan1
No its not different... look up the word and you will see those words are Synonymous with each other.
Not really; especially in this case. A radical refers to a political, economic or social reformer, while heretic refers to religion.
That said, to say "Jesus was considered a radical" in his day tries to impose a political spin to His message and ministry that clearly was not in existence.

 

[stdreb27]

Originally Posted by Rylan1
Just because you have a particular group of people in your cabinet doesn't mean that for the party...that they ignore potential black voters and audiences. Bush has the most qualified people in those positions I would think.. which makes me wonder why republicans don't seek the black vote, the current nominees turned down all requests by black media organizations and latino media organizations. As you can see there are some very high ranking republicans...they should be able to use that as an advantage, but they don't... They just say look at what Bush did. But as politicians you can't ignore entire groups of people as they have been in the last few elections.
One more point... Obama is changing politics... I heard a quote saying that he is the Tiger Woods of politics. I understand that experience is important, however Bush has had the most experienced people such as Cheney and Rumsfield and the policies of this admin are terrible.
lol, well if you as a lib think that his policies are bad. That is probably a good thing

I don't think they shouldn't play for the "black" vote, just like you shouldn't play for the "white" vote. Because the concepts and ideals of conservatism don't discriminate between races.
Unless you want to argue that all minorities are poor, and tax cuts don't apply to them since they don't pay taxes.

(I"m just joking by the way)

 

[rylan1]

Originally Posted by burch2006
rylan your push for repairations has made it apparent you are looking for a handout... If everyone else can do it (katrina victims) why not you right? Voting for Obama simply because he is black would be the same as me voting for Huckabee just because he is christian... Neither are political issues and both equally stupid. I do support you though that we need a minority president. Someone with a different view on life, but they have to have the qualifications and down to earth, and some of his viewpoints are just not logical.
Oh and Sudan still practices slavery...
about the republicans not catering to blacks... Alan Keyes
And Rylan dude you're not even 30 what horrible attrocities have you faced that has made you so bitter?
I have not pushed for reparations... I said either way it is probably too late anyway. I also said I wouldn't vote for anyone based on their race or gender alone.
As far as Alan Keyes goes... you speak about a person and not the party. Alan Keyes also doesn't cater to blacks. Lets talk about the conduct of the party... just because they had a black candidate has nothing to do with it.
So my question to you is...and everyone..... Is it true that all the leading Republican nominees skipped debates from minority media organizations?

 

[1journeyman]

Originally Posted by Rylan1
.. which makes me wonder why republicans don't seek the black vote, the current nominees turned down all requests by black media organizations and latino media organizations. ...
Here we go again...
Would it be acceptable for a candidate to seek the "white" vote? Of course not. Why the heck are candidates expected to court the "black" vote, or the "asian" vote, or the "hispanic" vote?
Here's a freakin novel idea; how about politicians start courting the "American" vote. The fact that the GOP refuses to cave to activist racial groups makes me support them all the more. The Democrats fuel this racial fire by promoting the idea that we are a divided society; and in so doing they are turning the wheels of a self-fulfilling prophecy.

 

[1journeyman]

Originally Posted by Rylan1
..... Is it true that all the leading Republican nominees skipped debates from minority media organizations?
Yes.
Question back to you; Is it true that historically these leading minority organizations have been pro-Democratic and wouldn't give the GOP candidates a fair debate?

 

[stdreb27]

Originally Posted by Rylan1
I have not pushed for reparations... I said either way it is probably too late anyway. I also said I wouldn't vote for anyone based on their race or gender alone.
As far as Alan Keyes goes... you speak about a person and not the party. Alan Keyes also doesn't cater to blacks. Lets talk about the conduct of the party... just because they had a black candidate has nothing to do with it.
So my question to you is...and everyone..... Is it true that all the leading Republican nominees skipped debates from minority media organizations?
Maybe, just maybe if these "minority media organizations" were really minority media organizations and NOT LIBERAL media organizations were everyone is black. You might have a point.

 

[burch2006]

Originally Posted by Rylan1
Is it true that all the leading Republican nominees skipped debates from minority media organizations?
If you were supposed to voluntarily go to a stoning would you go if you were the one being stoned? Especially if you know that no matter what you say you will not be right in there eyes?

 

[1journeyman]

lol, 3 rapid fire responses saying the same thing...

 

[rylan1]

Originally Posted by 1journeyman
Not really; especially in this case. A radical refers to a political, economic or social reformer, while heretic refers to religion.
That said, to say "Jesus was considered a radical" in his day tries to impose a political spin to His message and ministry that clearly was not in existence.
the term radical can refer to any institution... look it up in a dictionary or a thesaurus. They are synonyms which means a word having the same or nearly the same meaning as another word or other words in a language.

 

[rudedog40]

Originally Posted by rudedog40
You need to stop... I'll respond form the bottom up... a black man won the gold in skating in the past winter olympics... there are good black men in the NHL...I don't believe that those leagues are racist and that people are excluded(today at least). I know white men who have 40inch verticles. I won't assume that I know much about you so I won't make a judgement on the things that you are saying. Your view of history and MLK is wrong. He is thought by many as being the most influential person of the 20th century. Segregation was ended largely because of his work. Minorities, women, gays can all thank him for his efforts involving civil rights. I would encourage you to learn about his contributions and life and you have a great opportunity to do that since a holiday is about a week away. There should be tons of material available to you.

Trust me, I know about 'his' holiday. San Antonio has one of the largest marches in the nation. I'm quite aware of MLK's contributions to this nation. You are correct that he was the catalyst to end segregation. However, there were hundreds of other's in this country who have made similar contributions that have affected how we look at one another as individuals. Advancements in medicine, women's rights, minority rights, technological advancements -- these are just as important to the way of American life as what MLK tried to accomplish. However, we don't give them National holidays, do annual marches in thier honor, or continue to reference them as if they were the next Messiah. MLK was a significant individual in American history. I know that. But I don't need that shoved down my throat every year, and used as a way to create a guilt factor because you think their are still major racial inequities in this country.
Your comment exactly - "You can't be serious... why are there hardly any blacks playing in the NHL...must be racists" (insert foot into mouth here). My "white men can't jump" line was intended as sacasm to this remark. Don't take everything you read here literally.

 

[rylan1]

Originally Posted by stdreb27
Maybe, just maybe if these "minority media organizations" were really minority media organizations and NOT LIBERAL media organizations were everyone is black. You might have a point.
I figured you may say that...
So is Univision a black media organization? I do believe that many hispanic americans have voted republican in past elections... They were also ignored. My case in point is a true American candidate should make themselves available to all americans and american voters.

 

[stdreb27]

Originally Posted by Rylan1
I figured you may say that...
So is Univision a black media organization? I do believe that many hispanic americans have voted republican in past elections... They were also ignored. My case in point is a true American candidate should make themselves available to all americans and american voters.
lol, your talking to a hispanic american.

 

[stdreb27]

My Grandparents Came from Mexico as refugies.