Republican Candidates

[1journeyman]

Originally Posted by m0nk
http:///forum/post/2461354
Interesting bit of current news (from CNN):
"Mitt Romney suspended his bid for the Republican presidential nomination Thursday, saying if he continued it would "forestall the launch of a national campaign and be making it easier for Sen. Clinton or Obama to win." "
Ya, it's all over the news right now.
Can't blame him for not wanting to throw away more money. After the West Virginia Caucus it's clear there is a backroom deal between McCain and Huckabee that he couldn't beat.

 

[1journeyman]

Originally Posted by m0nk
http:///forum/post/2461362
... they'll pass that on to insurance providers by charging more for people who have "enough" insurance and that will raise premiums all around.
But there is the issue...
Obama has said he will lower Insurance Premiums. So either Insurance Companies will go broke, get out of the health ins. business, or the Feds will have to subsidize the industry...

 

[cowfishrule]

1500 posts of bickering.
this thread needs a lolcat

 

[m0nk]

Originally Posted by COWFISHRULE
http:///forum/post/2461388
1500 posts of bickering.
this thread needs a lolcat

 

[m0nk]

Originally Posted by 1journeyman
http:///forum/post/2461375
But there is the issue...
Obama has said he will lower Insurance Premiums. So either Insurance Companies will go broke, get out of the health ins. business, or the Feds will have to subsidize the industry...

Yeah, that's the last thing we need, subsidies for yet another industry. We're already throwing away tons of money on farming subsidies, oil subsidies, airline subsidies, automotive subsidies, and there's got to be at least 10 or 12 more....

 

[1journeyman]

Originally Posted by m0nk
http:///forum/post/2461403
Yeah, that's the last thing we need, subsidies for yet another industry. We're already throwing away tons of money on farming subsidies, oil subsidies, airline subsidies, automotive subsidies, and there's got to be at least 10 or 12 more....

Exactly... it's one hand robbing the other, with bureaucracy taking a cut off the top. These health care fans forget health care isn't free. It will come at a cost. A cost paid for by the Federal Government, which is paid for by our taxes.
Capitalism is the most efficient way to do things. We've seen that time and again. The idea that the Feds can do something better and cheaper is insane.

 

[rylan1]

Originally Posted by 1journeyman
http:///forum/post/2461493
Exactly... it's one hand robbing the other, with bureaucracy taking a cut off the top. These health care fans forget health care isn't free. It will come at a cost. A cost paid for by the Federal Government, which is paid for by our taxes.
Capitalism is the most efficient way to do things. We've seen that time and again. The idea that the Feds can do something better and cheaper is insane.
What I don't get is why you assume this is going to be free health care... its not. In many ways it is capitalistic by encouraging more effiecency and competetion.

 

[1journeyman]

Originally Posted by Rylan1
http:///forum/post/2461532
What I don't get is why you assume this is going to be free health care... its not. In many ways it is capitalistic by encouraging more effiecency and competetion.
Well, if people don't have and can't afford Insurance, but will have Insurance under the plan... somewhere along the line it's free for them.
How in the world will this system be more efficient or encourage competition?
Seriously Rylan, I'm beginning to suspect you're getting paid by the Obama campaign just to post crazy ideas in the hope of derailing criticism of the plan.

 

[mfp1016]

Originally Posted by Rylan1
http:///forum/post/2461532
What I don't get is why you assume this is going to be free health care... its not. In many ways it is capitalistic by encouraging more effiecency and competetion.
Rylan, I suggest you spend more time at your local DMV in order to taste whats to come with socialized-universal-facist healthcare.
Come up with even one government system/organization/whatever that runs better than its private sector counterpart.
Also, I'd love for you to explain this encouragement of competition.

 

[mfp1016]

Originally Posted by m0nk
http:///forum/post/2461403
Yeah, that's the last thing we need, subsidies for yet another industry. We're already throwing away tons of money on farming subsidies, oil subsidies, airline subsidies, automotive subsidies, and there's got to be at least 10 or 12 more....

Thats what I don't understand about Democrats, where does this logic come from of being presented with fiscal hardship, and solving it with increased fiscal hardship. As far as I know fighting fire with fire isn't applicable in this situation.

 

[reefraff]

The US Postal service is so good at delivering packages. I cant imagine why anyone would use FedEX, UPS etc. when they have electronic traking of your package, insure your package, get your package there in half the time and ALL FOR LESS MONEY

Government provided services are soo efficient. All it does is create more federal jobs the politicians can hand to their lazy realatives.

 

[metweezer]

Well, Romney dropped out of the race. I wish that Goober Huckelberry had dropped out instead. No offense to any Goobers out there.

 

[1journeyman]

Originally Posted by mfp1016
http:///forum/post/2461613
..Also, I'd love for you to explain this encouragement of competition.
Ya. I mentioned that as well. Why in the world would companies try to compete in a heavily regulated, price-fixed industry? Look at other forms of Insurance right now. States that heavily regulate auto and home insurance have fewer companies willing to write policies in those states.

 

[bang guy]

Originally Posted by 1journeyman
http:///forum/post/2461865
Ya. I mentioned that as well. Why in the world would companies try to compete in a heavily regulated, price-fixed industry? Look at other forms of Insurance right now. States that heavily regulate auto and home insurance have fewer companies willing to write policies in those states.

As an example look at areas that regulate electric companies. Either the price of electricity is more expensive than in unregulated states, or there are rolling brownouts during peak electricity usage, or often, both - the price is high and rolling brownouts occur in mid-summer.
This is because regulating companies is an expensive endeavor and complying with 100's or 1000's of regulations forces these companies to focus on satisfying the state regulators instead of the customers.

 

[mfp1016]

Don't even get me started on that business. The utilities commisions are actually not as bad as other government programs, but are still an appalling failure.

 

[scubadoo]

Originally Posted by Rylan1
http:///forum/post/2461294
He also said that if we were starting the system from scratch, that he would use a single payer system, but since that is not an option he believes his plan would be the best solution. If you are going to use a quote... then you should include his entire position.
You need to do a little research on your candidate of choice and what he BELIEVES in:
"I happen to be a proponent of a single-payer health care program. ... A single-payer health care plan, a universal health plan. And that's what I'd like to see. And as all of you know, we may not get there immediately. Because first we have to take back the White House, we have to take back the Senate, we have to take back the House."
In 1996, Obama answered a questionnaire from an Illinois good-government group about whether he supported a single-payer system by stating, "Yes in principle," adding that it was probably best to have the federal government set up such a program instead of the state. At a different point that year, he answered the same question from the same group a bit differently, saying of whether he supported a single-payer system: "Yes, with Medicaid incorporated into a single, graduated system of services covering all workers."

 

[scubadoo]

Obama lies again?
Nuclear Leaks and Response Tested Obama in Senate
By MIKE McINTIRE
Published: February 3, 2008
When residents in Illinois voiced outrage two years ago upon learning that the Exelon Corporation had not disclosed radioactive leaks at one of its nuclear plants, the state’s freshman senator, Barack Obama, took up their cause.
Obama scolded Exelon and federal regulators for inaction and introduced a bill to require all plant owners to notify state and local authorities immediately of even small leaks. He has boasted of it on the campaign trail, telling a crowd in Iowa in December that it was “the only nuclear legislation that I’ve passed.”
“I just did that last year,” he said, to murmurs of approval.
A close look at the path his legislation took tells a very different story. While he initially fought to advance his bill, even holding up a presidential nomination to try to force a hearing on it, Mr. Obama eventually rewrote it to reflect changes sought by Senate Republicans, Exelon and nuclear regulators. The new bill removed language mandating prompt reporting and simply offered guidance to regulators, whom it charged with addressing the issue of unreported leaks.
Those revisions propelled the bill through a crucial committee. But, contrary to Mr. Obama’s comments in Iowa, it ultimately died amid parliamentary wrangling in the full Senate.

 

[scubadoo]

I think I'll stick with the opt out opt in plan should Obama be elected and his health care package passes as is. If I'm sick....I'll opt in...once I'm cured I'll opt out.
I'm guranteed access...no pre-exisitng clauses...and a guaranteed rate. If I wake up feeling bad I'll fill out the form.....maybe I'll pay a premium for a month or two...then exercise my opt out "right" he has guaranteed me.
I'm beginning to warm up to the ridiculous plan.

 

[scubadoo]

Originally Posted by Rylan1
http:///forum/post/2461532
What I don't get is why you assume this is going to be free health care... its not. In many ways it is capitalistic by encouraging more effiecency and competetion.
What...how can you state the above and say this too?

its up to the gov't to make sure that hospitals are charging what they are supposed to, instead of pocketing the gained profits. So if hospitals charge less, insurance costs less... and it is passed down to the consumer who will pay less.

Goodness......are all liberals this inconsistent with thought?

 

[scubadoo]

Originally Posted by Rylan1
http:///forum/post/2461294
He also said that if we were starting the system from scratch, that he would use a single payer system, but since that is not an option he believes his plan would be the best solution. If you are going to use a quote... then you should include his entire position.
Sorry you arte incorrect...in 2003 he said no such thing regarding his postion on universal healthcare. his correction came in 2007.
But Obama's denial doesn't hold up. In a speech in June 2003, Obama said: "I happen to be a proponent of a single-payer health care program. I see no reason why the US cannot provide basic health insurance to everybody. A single-payer health care plan, a universal health care plan. And that's what I'd like to see."
After his election, Obama tempered his position, saying in May 2007, "If you're starting from scratch, then a single-payer system would probably make sense. But managing the transition would be difficult.
How can I quote what you want me too from 2003...when what you are saying was said in 2007 not the 2003 speech?