Originally Posted by ol'salty
The only thing wrong with the "chance of life" arguement is the fact that it might not have a chance of life. The baby could die on it's own before it's born or even after. That baby might have never had a chance at a life.
I'll throw a couple of things out there for this discussion. If you weren't trying to get preg. and your wife was taking depovera, and it somehow let her get preg., what would you do? It is almost a 99% chance that the baby will be physically and mentally hadicapped and only live about a year. Now, would you have the baby or abort? The thing about this issue is if you weren't on the depo, the child would have possibly had a chance to have a life. So in a way, you have some of the blame on you...
The other thing is not the statement that even the clump of cells is alive. Yes it is, but so is your thumb or finger. If you were to accidently cut it off, should that be murder. You killed those cells...
I believe that life should be considered when the life sustaining organs all start working. (minus lungs maybe) In other words, i think life begins when the baby's organs start working on thier own. Think of it in reverse, it one of those organs stopped, that would be when life ends.
I am pro-choice, but i don't believe in abortions for birth control. I think for health reasons(mother or baby) , and ---- should be the only reasons, but it should be up to the parents...notice i said parents. What would you do if you wanted a baby (the man) and your wife or girlfriend didn't. The bad thing is the way it is right now(legally) , i don't think there is anything the father can do to stop it if the mother wants it done.
I haven't read all of the posts yet, so if i repeated something, sorry.
Just clump of tissue? This is what really happens, can you handle it?
*sorry but these pictures were a bit to graphic so the link was edited out!! **
I would have the baby because the problem was not created by the baby, to me it makes no sense to kill a baby because the parents were irresponsible. Abstenence is the only contraception with a 100% success rate. If you want to play you should be willing to accept the responsibility.
Using the analogy of the thumb as a clump of cell tissue and being alive isnt the same because the thumb is a tool and will never have the potential to develop into a human being. The thumb cannot make choices, it cannot think, care, hope, love or calculate. By removing your thumb you do not cease to exist as a human bieng. The thumb will always only be a tool. If the definition of a human being is defined as a thumb, finger or just clump of cells then we have reduced human life to nothing more than a mechanical element. If we are only mechanical elements then why do we have relationships. This is what makes us human, thumbs dont fall into this catagory IMO.
Abortion is a easy way out and stops all of this.
Life sustaining organs will always cease to exist when an abortion is performed. When someone goes into a coma, or becomes paralyzed you dont kill them (well maybe if your Terry schiavo but thats another thread) why, they then become a clump of cell tissue? Each person should choose their own destiny. Not some snob with a six figure income and a vacum cleaner.
Real men dont kill their children.
