Should College Students Be Allowed To Carry Weapons???

[ruaround]

Originally Posted by 1journeyman
http:///forum/post/2577770
Given.
I would never argue against you there. My point is, trained properly, college students being armed is an asset.
What people (not you Reef, just piggybacking on my post replying to you) seem to forget is that College students can get a CC permit now.

The argument is whether colleges should be "Gun Free Zones".
Sadly, schools and Universities have become targets. After the first couple of school shootings and so much press going to the killers every nutcase with a deathwish sees a "Gun Free" School Zone as a shooting gallery.
that is the question and several havent/wont answered it out right...

 

[reefraff]

Originally Posted by 1journeyman
http:///forum/post/2577770
Given.
I would never argue against you there. My point is, trained properly, college students being armed is an asset.
What people (not you Reef, just piggybacking on my post replying to you) seem to forget is that College students can get a CC permit now.

The argument is whether colleges should be "Gun Free Zones".
Sadly, schools and Universities have become targets. After the first couple of school shootings and so much press going to the killers every nutcase with a deathwish sees a "Gun Free" School Zone as a shooting gallery.
Again, I am all for letting faculty members carry but require them to go through the more extensive training.
Now you know the people who are armed have had the correct training. Also don't have to worry about someone finding a student's gun and doing something dumb.
Best thing is you let the kids be kids. I'm way pro gun, I just don't think they belong in college dorms.

 

[cowfishrule]

Originally Posted by ruaround
http:///forum/post/2577653
totally agree... i think it would make the nutcases think twice before they shot up a campus...
no, because if you've gone far enough to plan this out, there is no logic to thinking "imma gonna get capped if i do this".
all this will do is in the event that something does go down, reduce the number of senseless casulties.
think about it: guy walks into a class room and pulls heat. there is usually only 1 way in, and he's blocking it. he just start poppin off and what do you have? 30 helpless victims. if one of them is strapped, what do you have? maybe 2? 3?
allowing more citizens to strap takes away the edge that the criminals have.
now, the question is, if ya pull heat can you use it?

 

[shogun323]

Originally Posted by COWFISHRULE
http:///forum/post/2577864
no, because if you've gone far enough to plan this out, there is no logic to thinking "imma gonna get capped if i do this".
all this will do is in the event that something does go down, reduce the number of senseless casulties.
think about it: guy walks into a class room and pulls heat. there is usually only 1 way in, and he's blocking it. he just start poppin off and what do you have? 30 helpless victims. if one of them is strapped, what do you have? maybe 2? 3?
allowing more citizens to strap takes away the edge that the criminals have.
now, the question is, if ya pull heat can you use it?
Agreed. Therein lies the problem. Florida, for instance, is way too easy to get a permit. Let me qualify that. First off, I myself am a permit holder. I took a defense training class when obtaining it and I try to go to the range at least monthly. To obtain a permit here the law requires that one must demonstrate competancy with a firearm. Local gunshows issue permits after squeezing off one round. It's lame..
At the end of the day though I would certainly not have the warm and fuzzy feelings if the guy trying to save my life has shot a total of 10 rounds in his life. But that certainly is much better odds than having 30 unarmed people in room with someone unloading magazines.

 

[stdreb27]

Originally Posted by Jmick
http:///forum/post/2577229
Unless you had some serious training or had been in combat you'd more then likely not even be able to use your CC to protect yourself and would probably be shot dead before even using it. Or, more likely you'd try and flee or hide before pulling your weapon.
It's funny and sad to think that a person would feel the need to bring/carry a gun on a college campus and I'd be willing to bet the majority of those who are for it, don't have a college education.
I don't by this argument. Because down here we hear stories on a regular basis of people "welcoming" indruders. I can think of 2 this year who were in their 70's. And another man in his 30's with no military experience. In the dark 3 in the morning. He was just a gun person. And the robber well... So I don't see these people screwing up very often.
Heck my friend had an AR-15 on campus in his dorm. (he was military but still) I think there is this misconception that the only people in college are just dumb kids out of high school. When in reality you have a decent cross section of our population.
Personally I have a degree and I'm all for carrying on campus. (it isn't like we didn't have weapons on campus in dorms anyway) Besides what are we suppose to do when we go hunting, drive home pick up our gun, drive back to go hunting. What ended up happening is the friend who lived off campus house turned into an armory.

 

[crashbandicoot]

I do not think schools should be a gun free zone .
Simply because IF I should ever have to need to use deadly force to save my family or others. I would gladly take the heat for shooting an attacker then to live with the guilt of know I could have saved lives had I not left my gun in the car or at home .

 

[fats71]

Knowing how to shoot doesn't come close to prepairing someone to make a decision as to know WHEN to shoot. Hunter saftey is great for teaching people to be safe with guns but it doesn't come close to the training even a renta cop gets. QUOTE]
I worked for sentry security and my training was go to the court house see peaches she will give you the license after a background chec. Then goto the range and qualify with what handgun your going to carry.. End of session. At least the CC taught when too shoot and when not too.
Originally Posted by COWFISHRULE
http:///forum/post/2577864
no, because if you've gone far enough to plan this out, there is no logic to thinking "imma gonna get capped if i do this".
all this will do is in the event that something does go down, reduce the number of senseless casulties.
think about it: guy walks into a class room and pulls heat. there is usually only 1 way in, and he's blocking it. he just start poppin off and what do you have? 30 helpless victims. if one of them is strapped, what do you have? maybe 2? 3?
allowing more citizens to strap takes away the edge that the criminals have.
now, the question is, if ya pull heat can you use it?
Greenfield Missouri pull into their high school parking lot and you will see a gun rack with rifle hanging from every truck and if you do not see one in every truck it is because it is behind the seat. Sarcoxie Missouri as well. My best friend is chief of police in sarcoxie and he takes a lot of the high school kids hunting after work and when they get out off school...
Greenfield my good buddy is chief of police and my pal is the sheriff of the county they never think twice about the guns being in the trucks.
I can tell you from first hand experience If you pull your weapon IMO use it. one story is better than two...
I pulled mine over a year ago and have to goto court in south Texas for it but my family is all alive and safe.
As someone said better to be tried by 12 than carried by 6..

 

[stdreb27]

Originally Posted by Fats71
http:///forum/post/2578062
I pulled mine over a year ago and have to goto court in south Texas for it but my family is all alive and safe.
Yeah, if you do pull and use it take into consideration you will be in court having to defend yourself.

 

[crashbandicoot]

Beats the heck out of being dead in my opinion .

 

[reefraff]

Originally Posted by stdreb27
http:///forum/post/2577944
Heck my friend had an AR-15 on campus in his dorm. (he was military but still) I think there is this misconception that the only people in college are just dumb kids out of high school. When in reality you have a decent cross section of our population.
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Nah, just a majority

Theres a guy actinig as the hunting riffle depot for one of the schools here. Supposedly if you notify admin you can keep a hunting riffle in the dorm.

 

[reefraff]

Originally Posted by reefraff
http:///forum/post/2577768
Knowing how to shoot doesn't come close to prepairing someone to make a decision as to know WHEN to shoot. Hunter saftey is great for teaching people to be safe with guns but it doesn't come close to the training even a renta cop gets. QUOTE]
I worked for sentry security and my training was go to the court house see peaches she will give you the license after a background chec. Then goto the range and qualify with what handgun your going to carry.. End of session. At least the CC taught when too shoot and when not too.
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Most states I checked accept Hunter's Saftey for a CC. My son was working for a security outfit before he joined the Army. They had some serious steps they had to go through before being allowed to pack. Not sure if it was a corporate policy or state law. They all seem to be different. My wife has a very close friend who's husband teaches a gun saftey program. He goes out of his way to do it right because some of his students are after a CC permit. This guy is the one all the law enforcement recomends to people because he does go well beyond what is required.

 

[socal57che]

Originally Posted by ruaround
http:///forum/post/2576998
just wondering what others thoughts are on this topic... its a huge debate here...
i personally think it should be allowed AS LONG AS the persons carrying the weapons have proper training/certification and registered with the school...
My answer to your question is yes.
Gun free zones don't work. Breaking the law is what makes a person a criminal in the first place. What makes people think that someone would not simply disregard the law when they snap and decide to start shooting everyone in class. If you remove firearms from law abiding citizens then only the criminals will have guns. While I am hesitant to say we should allow ccw on campus, I Think I would rather support my child in court for having defended themselves while at school, than attend their funeral.

 

[fats71]

Originally Posted by stdreb27
http:///forum/post/2578153
Yeah, if you do pull and use it take into consideration you will be in court having to defend yourself.
I had three charges of aggravated assault with a deadly weapon one count they said I Ranna someone over while trying to get away ( My caddy was stolen I found it and took it back they started screaming in Spanish chasing me etc I drove out they swung the gate shut It hit the side of my car bounced and hit the person trying to lock me in they say I did not see it hit anyone) I am freaked call the cops on my cell am doing 120 plus back to m house and 2 hours later they show up in front of my House. I walk out to see who it was and this lady is in my driveway screaming in Spanish and a huge guy pops out the passenger side door takes my pic with a camera phone. I am like why are you taking my pic and he says " I wanna know who I'm going to kill) my son was next to me. I get into the House grab a pistol the dude is at my front door seems me with gun I slam it shut yell I'm armed if you come in ill kill you baracade my wife and kid in my closet in master bedroom with a arsenal had the cops on the phone and ended up being taken out of my home by swat.. I was like wtf they think I'm the guy I and my wife called about but nope it was me who went to jail while he sat down the street laughing... 40k bond later and a move and court coming may 29th in Brownsville... I was told by the range chief in brownsville shoot'em next time less stories to be told..
Honestly i do not want to have to take a life if I can do what I did and everyone is alive. They did however kill one of my male shepherds and did many other things while we were there it is insane in south texas...
So now I'm at the mercy of someone believing me or them... Two counts of aggravated assault with a deadly weapon have been dropped to terroristic threats and they already tried to do some plea bargain but my attorney said no without asking me.. I would not anyway as I was in the right and will not give up my right to carry/hunt etc.
Just cuz you get the right to carry and protect yourself with deadly force does not mean you wont be arrested for it...
Originally Posted by Crashbandicoot
http:///forum/post/2578180
Beats the heck out of being dead in my opinion .

I certainly agree and especially every time I see my little man look up and me and tell me thank you for protecting me daddy.

 

[crashbandicoot]

Dead men tell no tales .

 

[1journeyman]

Fats, I'm far from an attorney, but with the recent changes in Texas Law to include the right to use deadly force to protect personal property I'm amazed this is going to court.
Do you have a decent attorney?

 

[stdreb27]

Originally Posted by 1journeyman
http:///forum/post/2578468
Fats, I'm far from an attorney, but with the recent changes in Texas Law to include the right to use deadly force to protect personal property I'm amazed this is going to court.
Do you have a decent attorney?
Yeah, assuming your side if accurate, I'm suprised they are pressing charges. That isn't even a cc issue. You were on your own property. IF anything them killing your pets is criminal too. And how in the world did you find your car? Was it coinsidence or did you have an idea going in?

 

[fats71]

Originally Posted by 1journeyman
http:///forum/post/2578468
Fats, I'm far from an attorney, but with the recent changes in Texas Law to include the right to use deadly force to protect personal property I'm amazed this is going to court.
Do you have a decent attorney?
It goes as far as to protect a third party with deadly force... When the judge set bond on the first count as the car was in another city and the gun thing was in harlingen I was arrested by two separate police dept. The one where I left with the car the judge setting bond looked puzzled at the report and said " you were just trying to leave" I said yes sir he set it at 5k which is unreal low on a aggravated assault with a deadly weapon charge and he said he would do a sig bond but I'm new to the area and could be considered a flight risk. My attorney I never met paid it in full and posted the extra 5k making it 10k.
The second one was for the two aggravated assault with deadly weapon charges and she was not so nice she did however only make them 15k a piece which according to most my total bond should have been around 300 to 400k so they don't think I did a lot wrong.. ( i dunno why they did not say get out of here instead of giving me bond) My attorney paid it all for me without me giving him a dime. In that he is a awesome attorney. He says wee have tons of lawsuits against them they wrecked my shoulder keeping me in handcuffs outside my house for three hours letting me go and another city walking upto me and arresting me out of their jurisdiction blah blah blah. Then the cops took my car out of my driveway without permission which is theft and gave it to a tow company that was brother in law with the people who stole it to begin with... The car never ran again and since was sold...
Originally Posted by stdreb27
http:///forum/post/2578500
Yeah, assuming your side if accurate, I'm suprised they are pressing charges. That isn't even a cc issue. You were on your own property.
I have 8 witnesses that were sitting in their driveway down the street watching it all happen. The interrogated my son without my wife present on if I came out of the house flashing a gun etc he told the truth thats why i was not arrested by harlingen pd until a few months later.
I am getting way into this and really should not have ever mentioned it tbh. For all I know one of the offficers who is not on my side is readinng this and growing a higher hate for me bad mouthing the system there...

 

[jmick]

Why in the world would anyone be foolish enough to risk their life or another life over a stupid car? I can only assume you are insured and if you knew where the car was then why didn't you call the cops and let them take care of it? What would have happened if you hit a child while driving 120mph back to your house? What a foolish thing you did and to think you did it with your child around. I think you should be prosecuted for poor decision making and should be fined heavily. I'm surprised anyone would come on a public forum and admit such poor decision making. You're lucky no one was killed.

 

[reefraff]

OK, I got a question.
These people had stolen your car
They attempted to stop you from taking it back
They showed up at your house for whatever reason so they obviously knew where you lived which is where I assume they grabbed your Caddy.
What have these people been charged with?
Only poor judgement I think you showed was not being armed when you took your car

 

[aquaknight]

If my car was stolen and I happened to find it, I'd definitely take it back. I have doubts Fats knew they were going to try to lock him in, etc. If someone was trying to lock me in, you'd bet your butt I'd run them over. And, my car is worth to me then any moronic car thief's life. Less scum...