So I bought a gun... Few interesting facts about that...

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dragonzim

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Originally Posted by morgan175 http:///t/393907/so-i-bought-a-gun-few-interesting-facts-about-that/120#post_3506243
I would have got the 930 spx tactical or just the 930. Glad you are being careful. The key to a safe gun starts with education on the weapon and precaution. The wrong starts with the government having control on what we can and can have.
Way outside my budget... My wife only agreed to let me bring one into the house if I could do it for less than $300
 
reefraff

reefraff

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Originally Posted by bionicarm http:///t/393907/so-i-bought-a-gun-few-interesting-facts-about-that/120#post_3506290
Always the pessimist. You can take that same argument and apply it to gun ownership. Back in the 60's and 70's, the majority of gun owners were sportsmen and hunters. You didn't hear about your neighbor running down to local gun show and picking up 2 or 3 handguns, a semi-auto rifle, a shotgun, and a deer rifle to top it off in one visit. I'd say maybe 3 of 10 homes in the neighborhood I grew up in owned guns. Nowadays when one of these tragedies occur, it's a reactionary response to run down to your local gun store and buy "something". That's what the NRA and the gun advocates told you to do. "We as a society can no longer be trusted. Therefore, the only logical choice is to arm EVERYONE in the event that if faced with protecting oneself, the firearm will be the first line of defense." If all these millions of people who now own a firearm are considered "responsible gun owners", then where did all these people who commit violent crimes with guns come from? Is there some special gun shop/gun show where someone who may have any inkling of becoming violent, or decides to commit an assault crime, can go to buy a gun to use in this manner? That's the problem with the 280 million guns that are out there. You have no clue which one's will be used responsibly, or which one's will be used in a violent manner. The problem is, we allowed that amount of guns to become available so that it's to the point that it's impossible to control them. You have a problem with government expansion, but no problem with an infintesimal expansion of firearms to anyone who has the coin to buy it, even if that person has the tendencies to use it in a harmful manner.
It isn't pessimistic to make judgements based on a historical pattern.
You have no clue about the subject you are trying to debate. There are fewer gun owners today that there were in the 50's and 60's.
 
bionicarm

bionicarm

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Originally Posted by reefraff http:///t/393907/so-i-bought-a-gun-few-interesting-facts-about-that/140#post_3506295
It isn't pessimistic to make judgements based on a historical pattern.
You have no clue about the subject you are trying to debate. There are fewer gun owners today that there were in the 50's and 60's.
Say what? Not sure where you got that inaccurate little chart.
"The FBI estimates that there are over 200 million privately-owned firearms in the US. If you add those owned by the military, law enforcement agencies and museums, there is probably about 1 gun per person in the country.
If you want to get a rough idea of how many guns there are out there just look at how many people you see out there then multiply by a factor of estimated ownership. The last best guess was about 350,000,000 Total. That would be 1 weapon for every man woman and child. The average gun enthusiast owns several firearms which includes pistols, shotguns, and rifles of all makes and models. It is often estimated that about 1 in 4 people own any firearms and on average firearms owners own 4 guns each."
The problem with your little chart is it only accounts for the guns THAT THEY KNOW ABOUT. There's millions of guns out there that were previously owned by one person, then sold privately, or at one of these gun shows where there's no traceable paperwork to show where it is, and who owns it. The FBI in 2010 estimated that at least 47% of Americans owned some type of firearm.
"From the inception of the NICS on November 30, 1998, to December 31, 2011, a total of 140,882,399 transactions have been processed" (The number of Federal Firearms background checks performed.)
http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/nics/reports/2011-operations-report/operations-report-2011
http://www.reuters.com/article/2007/08/28/us-world-firearms-idusl2834893820070828
 
darthtang aw

darthtang aw

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Say what?  Not sure where you got that inaccurate little chart. 
"The FBI estimates that there are over 200 million privately-owned firearms in the US. If you add those owned by the military, law enforcement agencies and museums, there is probably about 1 gun per person in the country.
If you want to get a rough idea of how many guns there are out there just look at how many people you see out there then multiply by a factor of estimated ownership. The last best guess was about 350,000,000 Total. That would be 1 weapon for every man woman and child. The average gun enthusiast owns several firearms which includes pistols, shotguns, and rifles of all makes and models. It is often estimated that about 1 in 4 people own any firearms and on average firearms owners own 4 guns each."
The problem with your little chart is it only accounts for the guns THAT THEY KNOW ABOUT.  There's millions of guns out there that were previously owned by one person, then sold privately, or at one of these gun shows where there's no traceable paperwork to show where it is, and who owns it.  The FBI in 2010 estimated that at least 47% of Americans owned some type of firearm.
"From the inception of the NICS on November 30, 1998, to December 31, 2011, a total of 140,882,399 transactions have been processed" (The number of Federal Firearms background checks performed.)
http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/nics/reports/2011-operations-report/operations-report-2011
http://www.reuters.com/article/2007/08/28/us-world-firearms-idusl2834893820070828
Ummm...it clearly states the source in the picture The gallup poll and the General social survey.
 
reefraff

reefraff

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Originally Posted by bionicarm http:///t/393907/so-i-bought-a-gun-few-interesting-facts-about-that/140#post_3506396
Say what? Not sure where you got that inaccurate little chart.
"The FBI estimates that there are over 200 million privately-owned firearms in the US. If you add those owned by the military, law enforcement agencies and museums, there is probably about 1 gun per person in the country.
If you want to get a rough idea of how many guns there are out there just look at how many people you see out there then multiply by a factor of estimated ownership. The last best guess was about 350,000,000 Total. That would be 1 weapon for every man woman and child. The average gun enthusiast owns several firearms which includes pistols, shotguns, and rifles of all makes and models. It is often estimated that about 1 in 4 people own any firearms and on average firearms owners own 4 guns each."
The problem with your little chart is it only accounts for the guns THAT THEY KNOW ABOUT. There's millions of guns out there that were previously owned by one person, then sold privately, or at one of these gun shows where there's no traceable paperwork to show where it is, and who owns it. The FBI in 2010 estimated that at least 47% of Americans owned some type of firearm.
"From the inception of the NICS on November 30, 1998, to December 31, 2011, a total of 140,882,399 transactions have been processed" (The number of Federal Firearms background checks performed.)
http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/nics/reports/2011-operations-report/operations-report-2011
http://www.reuters.com/article/2007/08/28/us-world-firearms-idusl2834893820070828
LOL! The great dove slaughterer has spoken.
Household gun ownership hits new low
http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/household-gun-ownership-hits-new-low---fewer-than-one-out-of-three-american-households-has-a-gun-120702544.html
"The number of Americans who own firearms has been steadily declining over the past 30 years. According to the General Social Survey (GSS), the most respected source of data on social trends in the U.S., just 20.8% of Americans owned a firearm in 2010. This is down substantially from the 1980 figure of 29%. GSS data also soundly debunks another specious claim that the gun lobby circulates to the media--that gun ownership among women is on the rise. In reality, gun ownership among American women has remained flat over the past three decades, with 10.5% of women reporting owning firearms in 1980 compared to 9.9% in 2010."
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/josh-horwitz/the-truth-about-gun-sales_b_1193498.html
"Over the 22 year study period household firearm ownership rates declined across all four regions."
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2563517/
Wow!!! Not a single link from Fox News or the NRA LOL!!!
 
bionicarm

bionicarm

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Originally Posted by reefraff http:///t/393907/so-i-bought-a-gun-few-interesting-facts-about-that/140#post_3506438
LOL! The great dove slaughterer has spoken.
Household gun ownership hits new low
http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/household-gun-ownership-hits-new-low---fewer-than-one-out-of-three-american-households-has-a-gun-120702544.html
"The number of Americans who own firearms has been steadily declining over the past 30 years. According to the General Social Survey (GSS), the most respected source of data on social trends in the U.S., just 20.8% of Americans owned a firearm in 2010. This is down substantially from the 1980 figure of 29%. GSS data also soundly debunks another specious claim that the gun lobby circulates to the media--that gun ownership among women is on the rise. In reality, gun ownership among American women has remained flat over the past three decades, with 10.5% of women reporting owning firearms in 1980 compared to 9.9% in 2010."
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/josh-horwitz/the-truth-about-gun-sales_b_1193498.html
"Over the 22 year study period household firearm ownership rates declined across all four regions."
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2563517/
Wow!!! Not a single link from Fox News or the NRA LOL!!!
So now GSS is the "defacto" expert on gun ownership? You want accurate numbers? Have every gun registered by who owns it, and how many guns they own. For every person who says they don't have a gun, there's 10 more that do and wouldn't admit it. If someone were to come up to me and ask me "Do you own a gun?" My first question would be "Who's asking?", and my next response would be "It's none of your business."
 
2quills

2quills

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Ofcorse there are more guns than we can count. Why else would an assault weapons ban be pointless other than to expand the governments grip on our personal lives?
 
reefraff

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Originally Posted by bionicarm http:///t/393907/so-i-bought-a-gun-few-interesting-facts-about-that/140#post_3506486
So now GSS is the "defacto" expert on gun ownership? You want accurate numbers? Have every gun registered by who owns it, and how many guns they own. For every person who says they don't have a gun, there's 10 more that do and wouldn't admit it. If someone were to come up to me and ask me "Do you own a gun?" My first question would be "Who's asking?", and my next response would be "It's none of your business."
I'll take their word or that of Gallop on it.
We don't have registration in this country. Never has been so you've had this hole in the stats since they've been kept so you can see the obvious trend. Whether it's 5 percent lower or 10% higher fewer people are holding guns, at least until 0bama got elected.
 
bionicarm

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Originally Posted by reefraff http:///t/393907/so-i-bought-a-gun-few-interesting-facts-about-that/140#post_3506490
I'll take their word or that of Gallop on it.
We don't have registration in this country. Never has been so you've had this hole in the stats since they've been kept so you can see the obvious trend. Whether it's 5 percent lower or 10% higher fewer people are holding guns, at least until 0bama got elected.
Polls are useless. Most people feed pollster whatever they want to hear. I've been called multiple times at my home, and I feed them all sorts of BS simply because I was irritated they were disturbing me during my downtime.
Gun owners are paranoid and very protective of what anyone knows about what types of guns they own, and how many. Who provides any type of personal information these days unless it's mandated by some law or directive? Why would I tell some random person on a phone how many guns I own, then wonder if it's some sham and they want to come by my house when I'm gone and try to rip them off? Unless the Feds finally require every gun owner to register every single weapon, you'll never know how many are out there, and the number of people who own them. At this point, it would be a waste of time to register them. You think people would be honest about reporting every gun? How would the officials know they were telling the truth? Sure, you could search their property, but who says they don't have them buried out in the backyard or in some field (visions of mantis)?
 
reefraff

reefraff

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Originally Posted by bionicarm http:///t/393907/so-i-bought-a-gun-few-interesting-facts-about-that/140#post_3506580
Polls are useless. Most people feed pollster whatever they want to hear. I've been called multiple times at my home, and I feed them all sorts of BS simply because I was irritated they were disturbing me during my downtime.
Gun owners are paranoid and very protective of what anyone knows about what types of guns they own, and how many. Who provides any type of personal information these days unless it's mandated by some law or directive? Why would I tell some random person on a phone how many guns I own, then wonder if it's some sham and they want to come by my house when I'm gone and try to rip them off? Unless the Feds finally require every gun owner to register every single weapon, you'll never know how many are out there, and the number of people who own them. At this point, it would be a waste of time to register them. You think people would be honest about reporting every gun? How would the officials know they were telling the truth? Sure, you could search their property, but who says they don't have them buried out in the backyard or in some field (visions of mantis)?
So because the polls and scientific surveys don't agree with your warped opinion they don't matter. Whatever..... Like I said they've been doing the same sampling for years and years and the results speak for themselves.
 
2quills

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Well since this thread has been pretty much beat to death now anyways figured you guys might appreciate a little video of our city's skyline on new years eve. Fireworks are BANNED here, BTW. And the police were out in full force to crack down on that ban. Although, It doesn't look like they did a very good job of that.
It doesn't start getting good till about 2:30 minutes or so into it.
Can you tell I'm bored?
 
bionicarm

bionicarm

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Originally Posted by 2Quills http:///t/393907/so-i-bought-a-gun-few-interesting-facts-about-that/140#post_3506586
Well since this thread has been pretty much beat to death now anyways figured you guys might appreciate a little video of our city's skyline on new years eve. Fireworks are BANNED here, BTW. And the police were out in full force to crack down on that ban. Although, It doesn't look like they did a very good job of that.
It doesn't start getting good till about 2:30 minutes or so into it.
Can you tell I'm bored?
Are you guys in drought conditions or a burn ban? The only reason they allowed fireworks this New Years Eve was because we had a couple of days of rain prior. Fourth of July, the firework stands didn't even open because of the dry conditions.
 
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