So who's burning the Koran on the 11th?

speg

speg

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Originally Posted by Flower http:///forum/thread/380081/so-who-s-burning-the-koran-on-the-11th/160#post_3307886
 

 
 
The Koran is a plagiarism of the scriptures, Mohammad claimed an angel was pressing him to recite and the purpose was to straighten out the misconceptions of the Christians and the Jews. The Jews did not believe the Messiah had come and this was considered a wrong idea by the angel who pressed Mohammad to recite. The Koran’s claim is that in this area the Jews are wrong.
 
The Christians think they are free from the Torah law, and the covenant, this again is incorrect according to the angel Mohammad was dealing with.
 
This is the main function of the Koran. It declares openly that it is NOT to be used without the books that were already written. It is not a stand alone work but must be joined with the Christians books and the books of Moses (Torah). The above concept you are highlighting is in fact a Bible concept, be it the "new" or "old" testament. God hates idolatry and we are commanded to destroy them where ever we find them. Any god besides the God of the Bible is a false god and is to be destroyed and the followers killed.
 
Gideon was told to do this and he broke the idols down in the cloak of dark because he was afraid of the town’s people, the next day the town’s folk wanted to kill him. Gideon’s father saved him by saying, that if their god was a god...let him exact revenge for the broken idols. From this we learn that the true God needs no help from us to exact revenge, "vengeance is mine says the Lord."
 
The Koran is an awesome book, and I believe Mohammad experienced something…The religion called Islam does not properly follow the concept of the Koran, it is a twisted religion, just as the many twisted religions have evolved from the Holy books…Islam is no different.
What? I'm pretty familiar with the Bible. Not that I'm trying to call you out, but I'm trying to better educate myself. Could you please give me the chapter/verse that you'll find that line in the Bible?
 
Thanks Flower.
 
flower

flower

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Speg http:///forum/thread/380081/so-who-s-burning-the-koran-on-the-11th/160#post_3308003
What? I'm pretty familiar with the Bible. Not that I'm trying to call you out, but I'm trying to better educate myself. Could you please give me the chapter/verse that you'll find that line in the Bible?
 
Thanks Flower.
Shalom,
 
 
It is Rosh Hashsanah ans I have to leave and go to the Synagogue, I will be back around 1:00 if you want some more examples. These should do, and not bore folks too much.
 
 
It is not an exact quote, the Koran was "recited" to Mohammad, It is common knowledge tht false gods and those who worship them are hated by God and he wants them destroyed. This is why Israel inherited the land...
 
 
The main one: Deu 12:1 - 4
These are the statutes and judgments, which ye shall observe to do in the land, which the LORD God of thy fathers giveth thee to possess it, all the days that ye live upon the earth.
Ye shall utterly destroy all the places, wherein the nations which ye shall possess served their gods, upon the high mountains, and upon the hills, and under every green tree:
And ye shall overthrow their altars, and break their pillars, and burn their groves with fire; and ye shall hew down the graven images of their gods, and destroy the names of them out of that place.
 
 
I have a list of other such commands..Just in case you think it just means the idols, not the people...1 Sam 15:1 - 2.. Holy War forever...
 
Samuel also said unto Saul, The LORD sent me to anoint thee to be king over his people, over Israel: now therefore hearken thou unto the voice of the words of the LORD.
Thus saith the LORD of hosts, I remember that which Amalek did to Israel, how he laid wait for him in the way, when he came up from Egypt.
Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass.
 
 
Another example: The prophecy of Baalam, that all nations who serve other gods are to be destroyed.
 
 
 
 
 
stdreb27

stdreb27

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Flower http:///forum/thread/380081/so-who-s-burning-the-koran-on-the-11th/160#post_3308023
 
Shalom,
 
 
It is Rosh Hashsanah ans I have to leave and go to the Synagogue, I will be back around 1:00 if you want some more examples. These should do, and not bore folks too much.
 
 
It is not an exact quote, the Koran was "recited" to Mohammad, It is common knowledge tht false gods and those who worship them are hated by God and he wants them destroyed. This is why Israel inherited the land...
 
 
The main one: Deu 12:1 - 4
These are the statutes and judgments, which ye shall observe to do in the land, which the LORD God of thy fathers giveth thee to possess it, all the days that ye live upon the earth.
Ye shall utterly destroy all the places, wherein the nations which ye shall possess served their gods, upon the high mountains, and upon the hills, and under every green tree:
And ye shall overthrow their altars, and break their pillars, and burn their groves with fire; and ye shall hew down the graven images of their gods, and destroy the names of them out of that place.
 
 
I have a list of other such commands..Just in case you think it just means the idols, not the people...1 Sam 15:1 - 2.. Holy War forever...
 
Samuel also said unto Saul, The LORD sent me to anoint thee to be king over his people, over Israel: now therefore hearken thou unto the voice of the words of the LORD.
Thus saith the LORD of hosts, I remember that which Amalek did to Israel, how he laid wait for him in the way, when he came up from Egypt.
Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass.
 
 
Another example: The prophecy of Baalam, that all nations who serve other gods are to be destroyed.
 
 
 
 
That was talking about a specific military action. You can't honestly extrapolate that to apply to other situations...
 
shogun323

shogun323

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Originally Posted by stdreb27 http:///forum/thread/380081/so-who-s-burning-the-koran-on-the-11th/160#post_3308024
That was talking about a specific military action. You can't honestly extrapolate that to apply to other situations...
Agreed. Culture and context are of the utmost importance when reading any historical documentation. It is the disregard of these to key components that fuels these nutjobs (By nutjobs I am refering to radical extremists regardless of faith)
 
stdreb27

stdreb27

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Quote:
Originally Posted by stdreb27 http:///forum/thread/380081/so-who-s-burning-the-koran-on-the-11th/160#post_3307941
 
It was a dodge, I think the American ideals are for everyone. Whether they can assimilate is another question. The Muslims I've spoken and dealt with. And I definitely engaged them about their views on religion and politics. I don't. Those guys where nuts, and another reason I do not buy the idea that "it is only a handful" argument.
I was interacting with rich enough to travel all the way to the U.S.A. legally, and take private (as in a company's) ESL classes that was as expensive as a private university. And enough money to fund living in a trendy urban area of Houston. Most had the equivalent of masters and doctorates. And either funded the classes themselves, or were funded though their work. One guy was a rocket propulsion scientist from Libya. But when my friend asked him why does Libya need a rocket propulsion scientist. He said with a straight face and no clue the implications of saying this to us. "To destroy Israel. "
 
And I can tell story after story, that would lead me to believe the "America is evil" thought is much much more prevalent than the PC crowd would lead us to believe.
 
It is downright scary...
 
Sorry, I can't spell, especially late at night... Although, I thought it was clear enough... Basically what I was trying to say is that the ideals of America, life liberty and pursuit of happiness are for everyone. We don't care what you look like. However, I don't know whether they would assimilate to our society.
I draw from personal experience with Muslims here in school. That would hang out with us to learn English. These people weren't ignorant rubes, but educated and well off people. And they all but condoned the action of the "extreemists."
 
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Originally Posted by SOVIETTACO http:///forum/thread/380081/so-who-s-burning-the-koran-on-the-11th/160#post_3307976
I cannot distinguish what you are saying, it seems like someone edited your post or something, and your spelling is off. By the way you asked him why does "Libya" need rocket propulsion and he answered "to destroy Israel". You did not ask him why do Muslims need rocket propulsion and he did not answer to destroy the Jewish people. Once again this is country on country not religion on religion. If you deny that you should have asked about Muslims not the Libyan Government.
Wow, now that argument would be splitting a hair. You're just playing devil's advocate right? Not seriously saying that. You think if the guy was athiest, he's have the same opinion? I don't...
 
Now I'm talking maybe 10 people or so. So I know it is a tiny sample. So I'm not going to run around having judged everyone by my experience. But it was enough to make me really wonder...
 
 
flower

flower

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Quote:
Originally Posted by stdreb27 http:///forum/thread/380081/so-who-s-burning-the-koran-on-the-11th/160#post_3308024
That was talking about a specific military action. You can't honestly extrapolate that to apply to other situations...

 
Seconds before going out the door..LOL...
 
 
No of course not, but Islam has twisted stuff around and I have some great examples of that, if you take things out of context you will get a twisted understanding of what God intended. The Koran was not put together right...Arabs think bigger is more important, so the early "recites" are placed in the back part of the Koran, and he was not quoted properly for years before the people started listening and writing down what he had to say...good conversation! Gotta go
 
mrdc

mrdc

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Appears that the Quran BBQ is catching on. I just read where 4 more churches across the US are vowing to have a "burning of the Quran event".
 
slice

slice

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This may be unwelcome in this thread, but all this angst gives me pause to consider:
 
***************************************
Desiderata
(Latin for "things desired")
by Max Ehrmann, written in 1927
Go placidly amid the noise and haste,
and remember what peace there may be in silence.
As far as possible without surrender
be on good terms with all persons.
Speak your truth quietly and clearly;
and listen to others,
even the dull and the ignorant;
they too have their story.
Avoid loud and aggressive persons,
they are vexations to the spirit.
If you compare yourself with others,
you may become vain and bitter;
for always there will be greater and lesser persons than yourself.
Enjoy your achievements as well as your plans.
Keep interested in your own career, however humble;
it is a real possession in the changing fortunes of time.
Exercise caution in your business affairs;
for the world is full of trickery.
But let this not blind you to what virtue there is;
many persons strive for high ideals;
and everywhere life is full of heroism.
Be yourself.
Especially, do not feign affection.
Neither be cynical about love;
for in the face of all aridity and disenchantment
it is as perennial as the grass.
Take kindly the counsel of the years,
gracefully surrendering the things of youth.
Nurture strength of spirit to shield you in sudden misfortune.
But do not distress yourself with dark imaginings.
Many fears are born of fatigue and loneliness.
Beyond a wholesome discipline,
be gentle with yourself.
You are a child of the universe,
no less than the trees and the stars;
you have a right to be here.
And whether or not it is clear to you,
no doubt the universe is unfolding as it should.
Therefore be at peace with God,
whatever you conceive Him to be,
and whatever your labors and aspirations,
in the noisy confusion of life keep peace with your soul.
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams,
it is still a beautiful world.
Be cheerful.
Strive to be happy.
*********************************
 
I must admit, though, even with my appreciation of these words and agreement with the sentiment,
my mind sometimes wanders towards the virtue and peaceful result of turning certain patches of sand into glass.
 
darthtang aw

darthtang aw

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Slice http:///forum/thread/380081/so-who-s-burning-the-koran-on-the-11th/180#post_3308045
This may be unwelcome in this thread, but all this angst gives me pause to consider:
 
***************************************
Desiderata
(Latin for "things desired")
by Max Ehrmann, written in 1927
Go placidly amid the noise and haste,
and remember what peace there may be in silence.
As far as possible without surrender
be on good terms with all persons.
Speak your truth quietly and clearly;
and listen to others,
even the dull and the ignorant;
they too have their story.
Avoid loud and aggressive persons,
they are vexations to the spirit.
If you compare yourself with others,
you may become vain and bitter;
for always there will be greater and lesser persons than yourself.
Enjoy your achievements as well as your plans.
Keep interested in your own career, however humble;
it is a real possession in the changing fortunes of time.
Exercise caution in your business affairs;
for the world is full of trickery.
But let this not blind you to what virtue there is;
many persons strive for high ideals;
and everywhere life is full of heroism.
Be yourself.
Especially, do not feign affection.
Neither be cynical about love;
for in the face of all aridity and disenchantment
it is as perennial as the grass.
Take kindly the counsel of the years,
gracefully surrendering the things of youth.
Nurture strength of spirit to shield you in sudden misfortune.
But do not distress yourself with dark imaginings.
Many fears are born of fatigue and loneliness.
Beyond a wholesome discipline,
be gentle with yourself.
You are a child of the universe,
no less than the trees and the stars;
you have a right to be here.
And whether or not it is clear to you,
no doubt the universe is unfolding as it should.
Therefore be at peace with God,
whatever you conceive Him to be,
and whatever your labors and aspirations,
in the noisy confusion of life keep peace with your soul.
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams,
it is still a beautiful world.
Be cheerful.
Strive to be happy.
*********************************
 
I must admit, though, even with my appreciation of these words and agreement with the sentiment,
my mind sometimes wanders towards the virtue and peaceful result of turning certain patches of sand into glass.
This discussion was going very well....then have to go and post that crap. I just threw up in my mouth a little.
 
Darth (gonna go cleanse myself by bathing in the blood of kittens) Tang
 
speg

speg

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Flower http:///forum/thread/380081/so-who-s-burning-the-koran-on-the-11th/160#post_3308023
 
Shalom,
 
 
It is Rosh Hashsanah ans I have to leave and go to the Synagogue, I will be back around 1:00 if you want some more examples. These should do, and not bore folks too much.
 
 
It is not an exact quote, the Koran was "recited" to Mohammad, It is common knowledge tht false gods and those who worship them are hated by God and he wants them destroyed. This is why Israel inherited the land...
 
 
The main one: Deu 12:1 - 4
These are the statutes and judgments, which ye shall observe to do in the land, which the LORD God of thy fathers giveth thee to possess it, all the days that ye live upon the earth.
Ye shall utterly destroy all the places, wherein the nations which ye shall possess served their gods, upon the high mountains, and upon the hills, and under every green tree:
And ye shall overthrow their altars, and break their pillars, and burn their groves with fire; and ye shall hew down the graven images of their gods, and destroy the names of them out of that place.
 
 
I have a list of other such commands..Just in case you think it just means the idols, not the people...1 Sam 15:1 - 2.. Holy War forever...
 
Samuel also said unto Saul, The LORD sent me to anoint thee to be king over his people, over Israel: now therefore hearken thou unto the voice of the words of the LORD.
Thus saith the LORD of hosts, I remember that which Amalek did to Israel, how he laid wait for him in the way, when he came up from Egypt.
Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass.
 
 
Another example: The prophecy of Baalam, that all nations who serve other gods are to be destroyed.
 
 
 
 
Umm...yeah...God gives orders throughout the Bible to slay those in the land that he plans on giving to his followers. Nowhere in the Bible does God give any sort of command to do this throughout the history of man. God gave orders to take over this land and destroy all of those who were currently in it because they were a wicked people.
 
You can't just take a single verse from the Bible (or any book) and then apply that as a way of life. There are important facts before and after that must be read.
 
flower

flower

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Speg http:///forum/thread/380081/so-who-s-burning-the-koran-on-the-11th/180#post_3308076
Umm...yeah...God gives orders throughout the Bible to slay those in the land that he plans on giving to his followers. Nowhere in the Bible does God give any sort of command to do this throughout the history of man. God gave orders to take over this land and destroy all of those who were currently in it because they were a wicked people.
 
You can't just take a single verse from the Bible (or any book) and then apply that as a way of life. There are important facts before and after that must be read.

 
 
My friend, you are correct and I personally agree with you. WE... you and I are on the same page and most of humanity as well.
 
Mohammed motioned these same writings, along with a stern warning to not put his writings as a standalone book, it's right in the Koran, he says it I don't know how many times. ...Islam did not do that, they decided that our books must be corrupted and so they only use the Koran. As a result, they pulled these writings out of the context they were originally meant to serve. This is where the crazy Holy war comes in.
 
What I’m trying to tell you is where they took it from, not that I agree with their concept. There are indeed times when God declared Holy war; there are indeed times in scripture where the people of God were told to destroy the evil doers.
 
It's plain as the nose on anyone’s face God hate idols, false religion upsets him. That does not give people a free reign to go blowing themselves and others up. The Islam extremists are nuts, so are the crazies that burn the Koran, bomb abortion clinics and dump blood on fur coats. This is not what God intended.
 
 
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smartorl

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Slice http:///forum/thread/380081/so-who-s-burning-the-koran-on-the-11th/180#post_3308057
None of "Desiderata" contradicts "Peace through Superior Firepower". It just urges a clear conscious when pulling the trigger.
This just further backs up my persona mantra of "it your mind is blank, it's not truly a sin".
 
Where are the dinosaurs in the Bible?
 
Religion has flaws at least to me. Noting that, it also has many inconsistancies and double speak as I am sure that any other written religious book does as well.
 
I think the only similarity to all religions is the wiggle room of interpretation.
 
darthtang aw

darthtang aw

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What is the difference between the book burning...and the destruction of christian symbols?
 
look at all the "artwork" done now days desecrating christian symbology.
 
yet those of you vehemently against the book burning...never say boo about this. In fact a few even defend it.
 
 
 
D

dragonzim

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Quote:
Originally Posted by SOVIETTACO http:///forum/thread/380081/so-who-s-burning-the-koran-on-the-11th/160#post_3307976
I cannot distinguish what you are saying, it seems like someone edited your post or something, and your spelling is off. By the way you asked him why does "Libya" need rocket propulsion and he answered "to destroy Israel". You did not ask him why do Muslims need rocket propulsion and he did not answer to destroy the Jewish people. Once again this is country on country not religion on religion. If you deny that you should have asked about Muslims not the Libyan Government.
One point you seem to be missing is that in most of the Middle East, the governments are run by religion. So, in effect, when Streb's Lbyan friend said that they need rockets to destroy Israel, he is in fact stating that the Muslims need to destroy the Jewish people
 
fishtaco

fishtaco

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Darthtang AW http:///forum/thread/380081/so-who-s-burning-the-koran-on-the-11th/180#post_3308129
What is the difference between the book burning...and the destruction of christian symbols?
 
look at all the "artwork" done now days desecrating christian symbology.
 
yet those of you vehemently against the book burning...never say boo about this. In fact a few even defend it.
 
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Darthtang AW http:///forum/thread/380081/so-who-s-burning-the-koran-on-the-11th/180#post_3308134
 
Science states dinosaurs were BEFORE man..therefore since the bible is the history of man and christianity/judaism...this would explain why there are no mention of these creatures...I
Darth, you don't think the earth is only 6000 years old and little kids rode dinos? There is a whole museum down Kentucky way that says your wrong.
 
Fishtaco
 
darthtang aw

darthtang aw

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Fishtaco http:///forum/thread/380081/so-who-s-burning-the-koran-on-the-11th/180#post_3308136
Darth, you don't think the earth is only 6000 years old and little kids rode dinos? There is a whole museum down Kentucky way that says your wrong.
 
Fishtaco
Nope...and true christians would see that it is not either...those that believe this have not read the book in its proper context and entirety....the universe was not made in a mere 168 hours either...the bible is clear on this part...if you have read it actually. evolution is true as well....
 
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