So who's burning the Koran on the 11th?
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smartorl
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Do you mean "marshmallows"?
Sorry couldn't resist!
Sorry couldn't resist!
soviettaco
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I know you brought it up but he replied by saying a person denounced the actions of the country of Japan and their actions during WWII. And then he asked "how many Muslims have done this?" But a Muslim's country isn't at fault, instead it is the fault of an extremist religious group, but if he says it wasn't some extremist group that makes it appear that what's being said is that Islam itself is meant to destroy non Islamic people. So isn't that asking Muslims to denounce Islam essentially? And basically it's asking them to convert?
soviettaco
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Originally Posted by Darthtang AW http:///forum/thread/380081/so-who-s-burning-the-koran-on-the-11th/120#post_3307743
no...dumb question.
I want to see who says yes. But the whole world and Muslim world denounced the attack, candle light vigils were held after the attack in almost every country. The whole Muslim world backed us up and grieved with us. Large and small Islamic groups of all sects in this country and in others denounced the actions and that of suicide and violence for it is against their faith just like it is in Christianity. Am I the only one who remembers this? Of course you had people who weren't really Muslims because they wished us harm which is against their faith, just like how there are people who call themselves Christians but who see no problem with killing and hate which clearly defines them as not being Christian.
speg
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Originally Posted by smartorl http:///forum/thread/380081/so-who-s-burning-the-koran-on-the-11th/120#post_3307746
Do you mean "marshmallows"?
Sorry couldn't resist!
Pssh...yeah...I blame my wife for spelling that wrong.
Originally Posted by smartorl http:///forum/thread/380081/so-who-s-burning-the-koran-on-the-11th/120#post_3307746
Do you mean "marshmallows"?
Sorry couldn't resist!
Pssh...yeah...I blame my wife for spelling that wrong.
darthtang aw
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Originally Posted by SOVIETTACO http:///forum/thread/380081/so-who-s-burning-the-koran-on-the-11th/120#post_3307747
. So isn't that asking Muslims to denounce Islam essentially? And basically it's asking them to convert?
No, I am saying denounce the actions of the extremists just as the japanese americans and japenese of today denounce the actions of world war 2. Many of us "christians" have denounced the book burning as wrong...this is the difference between the two.
Originally Posted by SOVIETTACO http:///forum/thread/380081/so-who-s-burning-the-koran-on-the-11th/120#post_3307747
. So isn't that asking Muslims to denounce Islam essentially? And basically it's asking them to convert?
No, I am saying denounce the actions of the extremists just as the japanese americans and japenese of today denounce the actions of world war 2. Many of us "christians" have denounced the book burning as wrong...this is the difference between the two.
soviettaco
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Originally Posted by SOVIETTACO http:///forum/thread/380081/so-who-s-burning-the-koran-on-the-11th/120#post_3307729
Breaking news, the Florida pastor will not burn the Qurans on Saturday instead he will be meeting Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf. Supposedly the guy thinks he is going to get the Imam to move the cultural center. He said that he is sure it will indeed be moved. I don't really believe that the "cultural center" will be moved but that's good that he will not burn them.
Ok so now this guy (Terry Jones) who said he would be flying out to NYC to talk to the "Imam" about stopping the "cultural center" which makes it seem he means Rauf actually means the Imam in Gainesville..... Ummmm why would you need to fly out to NYC if he standing right next to you? Now he says no no no, I stand by my word he said they would stop building it but now says he was talking to the Florida Imam.... Who has no connection with Rauf at all. This is really stupid and the guy keeps making up crap.
soviettaco
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Originally Posted by Darthtang AW http:///forum/thread/380081/so-who-s-burning-the-koran-on-the-11th/140#post_3307756
No, I am saying denounce the actions of the extremists just as the japanese americans and japenese of today denounce the actions of world war 2. Many of us "christians" have denounced the book burning as wrong...this is the difference between the two.
Ok then. But they have repeatedly denounced it. Imam Rauf denounces it so what's the problem?
Originally Posted by Darthtang AW http:///forum/thread/380081/so-who-s-burning-the-koran-on-the-11th/140#post_3307756
No, I am saying denounce the actions of the extremists just as the japanese americans and japenese of today denounce the actions of world war 2. Many of us "christians" have denounced the book burning as wrong...this is the difference between the two.
Ok then. But they have repeatedly denounced it. Imam Rauf denounces it so what's the problem?
darthtang aw
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Originally Posted by SOVIETTACO http:///forum/thread/380081/so-who-s-burning-the-koran-on-the-11th/140#post_3307760
Imam Rauf denounces it so what's the problem?
Denouncing it verbally and denouncing it by your actions aretwo different things.....the "mosque" this guy wants to build shows a true disregard for the sensibilities and hurtful emotions brought on by a faction of his "religion". This building isnt even built and we already have hateful and spiteful words thrown around from both sides.....How does building something that revives the memory of such a heinous action in most of the population show your disdain for what was wrought? If he truly was against the action, and truly felt for the people affected by it, he would willingly move the mosque when it became an issue......let me ask this question...and maybe you will wonder if his denouncement is sincere....Why build the "mosque, temple, community center" There? Why does it HAVE to be there?
Originally Posted by SOVIETTACO http:///forum/thread/380081/so-who-s-burning-the-koran-on-the-11th/140#post_3307760
Imam Rauf denounces it so what's the problem?
Denouncing it verbally and denouncing it by your actions aretwo different things.....the "mosque" this guy wants to build shows a true disregard for the sensibilities and hurtful emotions brought on by a faction of his "religion". This building isnt even built and we already have hateful and spiteful words thrown around from both sides.....How does building something that revives the memory of such a heinous action in most of the population show your disdain for what was wrought? If he truly was against the action, and truly felt for the people affected by it, he would willingly move the mosque when it became an issue......let me ask this question...and maybe you will wonder if his denouncement is sincere....Why build the "mosque, temple, community center" There? Why does it HAVE to be there?
darthtang aw
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Originally Posted by SOVIETTACO http:///forum/thread/380081/so-who-s-burning-the-koran-on-the-11th/140#post_3307760
. But they have repeatedly denounced it
Some of the same leaders that denounced it turned around later and threatened to attack us...continued to fund terrorist organization...and so on.
Originally Posted by SOVIETTACO http:///forum/thread/380081/so-who-s-burning-the-koran-on-the-11th/140#post_3307760
. But they have repeatedly denounced it
Some of the same leaders that denounced it turned around later and threatened to attack us...continued to fund terrorist organization...and so on.
soviettaco
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I think he is sincere and I think he is challenging it because to say no you cannot build this "cultural center" here and then backing down makes it appear that he is wrong for wanting to put that building there. He is not the same as the hijackers and the people who are from his other Mosque are not the same as the Hijackers. So their presence should not be a threat or should it cause emotional damage. I think by backing down it would be unfair and is in a way a form of segregation. Why can't they build it there? Because Islam reflects the attack on 9/11? Not at all, so I think it's fine for a place of worship and education to be built. I think people aren't the same as you though. Instead they believe that Muslims wish the deaths of Americans and that 9/11 was justified in there eyes. These people who are angry at it being built are like the Pastor Terry Jones and believe all Islam is a symbol against Christianity and America so the "cultural center" shouldn't be built which is ridiculous.
soviettaco
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Originally Posted by Darthtang AW http:///forum/thread/380081/so-who-s-burning-the-koran-on-the-11th/140#post_3307765
Some of the same leaders that denounced it turned around later and threatened to attack us...continued to fund terrorist organization...and so on.
After you answer my other question I have to ask but does Rauf and his followers fund terrorism and threaten to attack us? Yes or no answer.
Originally Posted by Darthtang AW http:///forum/thread/380081/so-who-s-burning-the-koran-on-the-11th/140#post_3307765
Some of the same leaders that denounced it turned around later and threatened to attack us...continued to fund terrorist organization...and so on.
After you answer my other question I have to ask but does Rauf and his followers fund terrorism and threaten to attack us? Yes or no answer.
stdreb27
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The reality is Muslims got into airplanes then flew them into major buildings. And Muslims have killed several thousand american over the past 8 years. Muslims planted bombs in time square. Muslims blew up the subway system in Spain. Muslims planned an LAX attack. Muslims bombed the USS Cole. Muslims blew up our troop barracks in Saudi. And I could go on.
I just don't see this peaceful religion everyone is talking about. If anything, if they were truly the way they're cast in the media and by our Prez. They'd be running around on their hands and knees, begging for forgiveness and kissing the ground we are walking on. And their not. They are running around burning American flags, trying to build the "not a mosque muslims just practice their religion there" on ground zero, killing cartoonists.
But that is just the way I see it.
I just don't see this peaceful religion everyone is talking about. If anything, if they were truly the way they're cast in the media and by our Prez. They'd be running around on their hands and knees, begging for forgiveness and kissing the ground we are walking on. And their not. They are running around burning American flags, trying to build the "not a mosque muslims just practice their religion there" on ground zero, killing cartoonists.
But that is just the way I see it.
reefraff
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Originally Posted by SOVIETTACO http:///forum/thread/380081/so-who-s-burning-the-koran-on-the-11th/120#post_3307738
Question: How many of you think that there should a special place for Muslims to go in the U.S. or in this case NYC? Like should there be a Muslim district?
You mean something like Dearborn or a concentration camp?
There are over 100 mosques in NYC already. Isn't like they are hurting for them.
Originally Posted by SOVIETTACO http:///forum/thread/380081/so-who-s-burning-the-koran-on-the-11th/120#post_3307738
Question: How many of you think that there should a special place for Muslims to go in the U.S. or in this case NYC? Like should there be a Muslim district?
You mean something like Dearborn or a concentration camp?
There are over 100 mosques in NYC already. Isn't like they are hurting for them.
soviettaco
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Uggghhhhh again with this flag burning nonsense and Muslims killed Americans stuff. You are saying that because some killed and some burn flags that all cannot be from a peaceful a religion. If Islam was a religion of hate or whatever why aren't they all running around gunning down and suicide bombing non Muslims? Ummmm because it is a peaceful religion. Some Christians killed citizens of another country in terrorist attacks and some burned other countries flags does this mean that Christianity is a religion of hate? No! Clearly what people do does not reflect a religions teachings of peace.
Can Muslims be American stdred27? Can they really hold the same core beliefs that our constitution contains?
Can Muslims be American stdred27? Can they really hold the same core beliefs that our constitution contains?
darthtang aw
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Originally Posted by SOVIETTACO http:///forum/thread/380081/so-who-s-burning-the-koran-on-the-11th/140#post_3307776
I think he is sincere and I think he is challenging it because to say no you cannot build this "cultural center" here and then backing down makes it appear that he is wrong for wanting to put that building there. He is not the same as the hijackers and the people who are from his other Mosque are not the same as the Hijackers. So their presence should not be a threat or should it cause emotional damage. I think by backing down it would be unfair and is in a way a form of segregation. Why can't they build it there? Because Islam reflects the attack on 9/11? Not at all, so I think it's fine for a place of worship and education to be built. I think people aren't the same as you though. Instead they believe that Muslims wish the deaths of Americans and that 9/11 was justified in there eyes. These people who are angry at it being built are like the Pastor Terry Jones and believe all Islam is a symbol against Christianity and America so the "cultural center" shouldn't be built which is ridiculous.
look at the members of the board.how many have expressed their reasoning against this mosque as insensitivity? A good majority...this alone should show a good majority nation wide are against it other than for reasons you stated. There is nothing to challenge....the law already says he can build it..the opposition is the community in general. which has no legal recourse except vocal opposition.There is nothing saying he cant build it there....so I ask again..whey there and not 3-4 blocks further away?
reefraff
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Originally Posted by SOVIETTACO http:///forum/thread/380081/so-who-s-burning-the-koran-on-the-11th/140#post_3307804
Uggghhhhh again with this flag burning nonsense and Muslims killed Americans stuff. You are saying that because some killed and some burn flags that all cannot be from a peaceful a religion. If Islam was a religion of hate or whatever why aren't they all running around gunning down and suicide bombing non Muslims? Ummmm because it is a peaceful religion. Some Christians killed citizens of another country in terrorist attacks and some burned other countries flags does this mean that Christianity is a religion of hate? No! Clearly what people do does not reflect a religions teachings of peace.
Can Muslims be American stdred27? Can they really hold the same core beliefs that our constitution contains?
What religion in current times breeds violence like Islam?
Originally Posted by SOVIETTACO http:///forum/thread/380081/so-who-s-burning-the-koran-on-the-11th/140#post_3307804
Uggghhhhh again with this flag burning nonsense and Muslims killed Americans stuff. You are saying that because some killed and some burn flags that all cannot be from a peaceful a religion. If Islam was a religion of hate or whatever why aren't they all running around gunning down and suicide bombing non Muslims? Ummmm because it is a peaceful religion. Some Christians killed citizens of another country in terrorist attacks and some burned other countries flags does this mean that Christianity is a religion of hate? No! Clearly what people do does not reflect a religions teachings of peace.
Can Muslims be American stdred27? Can they really hold the same core beliefs that our constitution contains?
What religion in current times breeds violence like Islam?
soviettaco
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Originally Posted by reefraff http:///forum/thread/380081/so-who-s-burning-the-koran-on-the-11th/140#post_3307796
You mean something like Dearborn or a concentration camp?
There are over 100 mosques in NYC already. Isn't like they are hurting for them.
Dearborn is not a designated place I mean a district a "Muslim zone".
And I guess no more churches should be built because there are so many already, and anyone who wants to should just shut up and go elsewhere. Plus saying there is 100 Mosques is like saying there are 100 churches go to one. When you may be a Baptist and the nearest Baptist church is an hour away. You do realize there are many many different sects of Islam don't you?
Originally Posted by reefraff http:///forum/thread/380081/so-who-s-burning-the-koran-on-the-11th/140#post_3307796
You mean something like Dearborn or a concentration camp?
There are over 100 mosques in NYC already. Isn't like they are hurting for them.
Dearborn is not a designated place I mean a district a "Muslim zone".
And I guess no more churches should be built because there are so many already, and anyone who wants to should just shut up and go elsewhere. Plus saying there is 100 Mosques is like saying there are 100 churches go to one. When you may be a Baptist and the nearest Baptist church is an hour away. You do realize there are many many different sects of Islam don't you?
reefraff
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Originally Posted by SOVIETTACO http:///forum/thread/380081/so-who-s-burning-the-koran-on-the-11th/140#post_3307809
Dearborn is not a designated place I mean a district a "Muslim zone".
And I guess no more churches should be built because there are so many already, and anyone who wants to should just shut up and go elsewhere. Plus saying there is 100 Mosques is like saying there are 100 churches go to one. When you may be a Baptist and the nearest Baptist church is an hour away. You do realize there are many many different sects of Islam don't you?
Point being it isn't like there is opposition to building mosques in NYC.
As far as a designated place I REALLY don't get the point of that question. Do you honestly think any rational person would be in favor of some hair brained scheme like that? FDR and Woodrow would like it.
Originally Posted by SOVIETTACO http:///forum/thread/380081/so-who-s-burning-the-koran-on-the-11th/140#post_3307809
Dearborn is not a designated place I mean a district a "Muslim zone".
And I guess no more churches should be built because there are so many already, and anyone who wants to should just shut up and go elsewhere. Plus saying there is 100 Mosques is like saying there are 100 churches go to one. When you may be a Baptist and the nearest Baptist church is an hour away. You do realize there are many many different sects of Islam don't you?
Point being it isn't like there is opposition to building mosques in NYC.
As far as a designated place I REALLY don't get the point of that question. Do you honestly think any rational person would be in favor of some hair brained scheme like that? FDR and Woodrow would like it.