Squidd.......Teach me.....DYI:Plumbing 101 on a SW Tank
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squidd
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And this is "aproximately" how it will look when the OTT (blue) return lines are installed...
You can see there is room on the "sides and front for the canopy to rest and you will need to make small "cutouts" in the back wall of the canopy for the OTT pipes...
If we can get acrylic51 to hookyou up with the 1" "clear" elbows and pipe...they will be all but "invisable"...
You can see there is room on the "sides and front for the canopy to rest and you will need to make small "cutouts" in the back wall of the canopy for the OTT pipes...
If we can get acrylic51 to hookyou up with the 1" "clear" elbows and pipe...they will be all but "invisable"...
squidd
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Let's take a look at the "Duso Style" stand pipe...
Can be built from Hdwr store parts for a couple bucks
I suggest an "airvalve" for fine tuning the air supply, which affects flow through pipe and "quiet" opperation...
Here's a "list" of parts for a 1" bulkhead/drain line...Correct procedure is to "upsize" it by 1 ...
IE: a 1" bulkhead /drain uses a 1 1/4" pipe and a 3/4" bulkhead/drain uses a 1" pipe..
There is a dursostandpipe "site" on one of the dot com type places where you can learn all about the opperation and design of this effective and quiet standpipe....
Can be built from Hdwr store parts for a couple bucks
I suggest an "airvalve" for fine tuning the air supply, which affects flow through pipe and "quiet" opperation...
Here's a "list" of parts for a 1" bulkhead/drain line...Correct procedure is to "upsize" it by 1 ...
IE: a 1" bulkhead /drain uses a 1 1/4" pipe and a 3/4" bulkhead/drain uses a 1" pipe..
There is a dursostandpipe "site" on one of the dot com type places where you can learn all about the opperation and design of this effective and quiet standpipe....
leona
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Originally posted by Squidd
Here's the top view...
Overflow size 4" X6" ID with a 2" hole for a schd 80" 1" bulk head centered as shown...
Eurobracing cut out for access...
He knows it's 48" x 24" ...or do I have to "spec" that too....
no I will be reminding him of this on friday when I call him.:joy:
I should be able to save this and print or copy/print and fax this to him right?
acrylic51
Active Member
Originally posted by Squidd
So we're all set on this..???
Euro Bracing, two overflows (about 4x6) 3 holes in back for C/L, OTT with S/F return and 2 C/L outlets...??
Acrylic51...I don't have specs on schd 80 bulkheads..I need the O.D. of the flange and washer on a 1" bulkhead to make sure it "clears" in the overflow...
Sorry to have taken a nap but will have to get those figures for you tomorrow
squidd
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Originally posted by acrylic51
Sorry to have taken a nap but will have to get those figures for you tomorrow
It's "gotta" clear...
I gave it an inch all around..
Unless the flange is bigger than 4" ....But Tom should "know" this and take it into account when he builds the overflows..
masala4080
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awsome, can't wait. I am having problems with the layout of the sump/fuge as well. Great thread!
squidd
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Ok Let's "review" to see where we got...
First we need to "prioritize" and make sure we cover all the bases..
Stand size needs to taken into concideration when planning the sump/fuge...Backwash and overflow layout are related when setting up the tank and S/F...Flow rates and skimmer size are important parts of "sizing" the chambers in the S/F...and so on..
So we start by calculating "back wash" from powerout situations..
Calculating both how much the tank "might" drain and how much room in the sump we'll need to contain it..
OK...so we are 36" long and 18" "deep" (front to back) and 17" tall correct...?
And your sure this will "fit" under your stand..?
We'll start with that (let me know if it changes)...
So that's 36x18x17=11016 cu/inches...divide by 231=47.68 Gallons...
We can't "use all that, because you want to leave some room for "backwash in a power out situation...so lets see 3"-4" will leave us..
3"x36x18=1944/231=about 8.4 gallons "backwash" room...
4"x36x18=2592/231=about 11.22 gallons...
Now let's "calculate" how much water will "backwash" out of Leonas tank...if the level "drops" by say 1 1/2"....
hint: length of main tank x depth x 1 1/2...etc..
Somebody do the calcs and let me know "How much room in the sump do we need to "save" for backwash"...???
Knowing this we started to "size" the chambers to the "availabe" space...
This will also help determine if the available space is "big enough"...
...After "adjusting" the available space.... ....we started calcing the "Fuge" Volume...
I'm gonna C&P this so I don't have to re write it (again ) and then "re-do" with the new numbers...
quote:
Probably should do some "math"...first...huh...?
Backwash room first...then the fuge..then the skimmer chamber..then the return chamber...then the overflow driain chamber...
55Gallon soon to be S/F is 48"x13"x20"=12480/231=54.04
>>>75 gallon S/F is 48x18x20=17280/231=74.8 gallons<<<
We can't "use" all that, because you want to leave some room for "backwash" in a power out situation...so lets see 3"-4" will leave us..
4"x48x13=2496/231=10 gallons for "backwash" room...
>>>4x48x18=3456/231=14.96 (15 gallons)Backwash<<<
Everybody OK with that...?? (hint: check back on page 4)
>>>We may "use" some of that for TSV (total system volume)<<<
So that leaves us 44-45 gallons to "play" with...
>>>60 gallons...now we're gettin somewhere...<<<
I'm going to talk in "percentages" here...
First to explain what's "Ideal" and why...for those that are following along and may have a different sized tank...
Then we'll size it in to "reality" (what we have to work with) because not everybody can put the "Ultimate" S/F in their basement to get the room they need...although the more ambitious of you out there might...
I generally "recomend" 50% of Main Tank volume for Fuge on tanks under 100 gallons...Then 30-35% up to 180 gallon MTs...and then 25% for larger...
>>>120x.3=36 and 120x.35=42 ... So we're looking for 40 gallons...this we can do and still have 20 for the overflow drain and return...looks good so far...<<<
Obviously we cant use the full 45 gallons for the Fuge and have any thing for the sump, so we'll have to compromise a "little" ...
Leona is "close to" the 100 gallon mark so let's see what the 30-35% MT gives us...
90x.3=27 and 90x.35=31.5 So we're looking for "around" 30 gallons for the Fuge...
>>>120x.3=36 and 120x.35=42 ... So we're looking for 40 gallons...this we can do and still have 20 for the overflow drain and return...looks good so far...<<<
So..Tonight's Math quiz is...
How big will a 40 gallon fuge be in Leonas 75 gallon tank if we leave 4" backwash room in it ...??
AND How much "room" does that leave for Skimmer footprint and return pump area...??
Don't forget we need to add "baffles" as well...
Leona...we'll need the footprint of your skimmer for the "next" step...was that going to be a Euro Reef ES5-3..??
>>> Now we know it's 11"X13"....ASM G-2 <<<
So we still have a "Math Quiz" (you didn't think I'd let you off that easy did you)...
What will the "foot print" of a 40 gallon fuge be in the 75 ...??
And what kind of room does that leave for the O/F Drain, Skimmer and Return chambers...??
First we need to "prioritize" and make sure we cover all the bases..
Stand size needs to taken into concideration when planning the sump/fuge...Backwash and overflow layout are related when setting up the tank and S/F...Flow rates and skimmer size are important parts of "sizing" the chambers in the S/F...and so on..
So we start by calculating "back wash" from powerout situations..
Calculating both how much the tank "might" drain and how much room in the sump we'll need to contain it..
OK...so we are 36" long and 18" "deep" (front to back) and 17" tall correct...?
And your sure this will "fit" under your stand..?
We'll start with that (let me know if it changes)...
So that's 36x18x17=11016 cu/inches...divide by 231=47.68 Gallons...
We can't "use all that, because you want to leave some room for "backwash in a power out situation...so lets see 3"-4" will leave us..
3"x36x18=1944/231=about 8.4 gallons "backwash" room...
4"x36x18=2592/231=about 11.22 gallons...
Now let's "calculate" how much water will "backwash" out of Leonas tank...if the level "drops" by say 1 1/2"....
hint: length of main tank x depth x 1 1/2...etc..
Somebody do the calcs and let me know "How much room in the sump do we need to "save" for backwash"...???
Knowing this we started to "size" the chambers to the "availabe" space...
This will also help determine if the available space is "big enough"...
...After "adjusting" the available space....
....we started calcing the "Fuge" Volume...I'm gonna C&P this so I don't have to re write it (again ) and then "re-do" with the new numbers...
quote:
Probably should do some "math"...first...huh...?
Backwash room first...then the fuge..then the skimmer chamber..then the return chamber...then the overflow driain chamber...
55Gallon soon to be S/F is 48"x13"x20"=12480/231=54.04
>>>75 gallon S/F is 48x18x20=17280/231=74.8 gallons<<<
We can't "use" all that, because you want to leave some room for "backwash" in a power out situation...so lets see 3"-4" will leave us..
4"x48x13=2496/231=10 gallons for "backwash" room...
>>>4x48x18=3456/231=14.96 (15 gallons)Backwash<<<
Everybody OK with that...?? (hint: check back on page 4)
>>>We may "use" some of that for TSV (total system volume)<<<
So that leaves us 44-45 gallons to "play" with...
>>>60 gallons...now we're gettin somewhere...<<<
I'm going to talk in "percentages" here...
First to explain what's "Ideal" and why...for those that are following along and may have a different sized tank...
Then we'll size it in to "reality" (what we have to work with) because not everybody can put the "Ultimate" S/F in their basement to get the room they need...although the more ambitious of you out there might...
I generally "recomend" 50% of Main Tank volume for Fuge on tanks under 100 gallons...Then 30-35% up to 180 gallon MTs...and then 25% for larger...
>>>120x.3=36 and 120x.35=42 ... So we're looking for 40 gallons...this we can do and still have 20 for the overflow drain and return...looks good so far...<<<
Obviously we cant use the full 45 gallons for the Fuge and have any thing for the sump, so we'll have to compromise a "little" ...
Leona is "close to" the 100 gallon mark so let's see what the 30-35% MT gives us...
90x.3=27 and 90x.35=31.5 So we're looking for "around" 30 gallons for the Fuge...
>>>120x.3=36 and 120x.35=42 ... So we're looking for 40 gallons...this we can do and still have 20 for the overflow drain and return...looks good so far...<<<
So..Tonight's Math quiz is...
How big will a 40 gallon fuge be in Leonas 75 gallon tank if we leave 4" backwash room in it ...??
AND How much "room" does that leave for Skimmer footprint and return pump area...??
Don't forget we need to add "baffles" as well...
Leona...we'll need the footprint of your skimmer for the "next" step...was that going to be a Euro Reef ES5-3..??
>>> Now we know it's 11"X13"....ASM G-2 <<<
So we still have a "Math Quiz" (you didn't think I'd let you off that easy did you)...
What will the "foot print" of a 40 gallon fuge be in the 75 ...??
And what kind of room does that leave for the O/F Drain, Skimmer and Return chambers...??
squidd
Active Member
This led to the first "drawing" where we "sized the fuge at 40 gallons and the skimmer chamber for "footprint"...
Which left us short on return pump chamber room, so we started to "adjust" our sizing...
. Now we start laying it out on paper (or "paint") and see what that's going to look like...
We want to "pencil in" the skimmer and return pump as close to "scale" as we can get to see that everything "fits" and makes scense...
And we may have to "adjust it" a time or two to fit the baffles and O/F drain chamber in...but it's a lot easier to "Cut and Paste" in Paint then it is to glue them in and find out the skimmer won't fit...
First shot with the "numbers" ....32" for Fuge and at least 11 for Skimmer footprint..only leaves 5" for return chamber and we haven't added baffles yet...
We will need to "squeeze the fuge down 2"-3" at least (to fit pump and baffles) but we can make up a bit of the fuge size by making it "taller"....
We had twice as much "backwash" room as we needed...and we"ll gain more in the skimmer and return pump chamber, because they will "run" at a lower level to begin with...
We also want to concider "lighting" the fuge...Probably something in the 24" PC or VHO range... (we"ll get "deeper" into this later)...
So we could go as short as 28"X18x18 = 39.7 and still get our 40 gallon "Goal"...
But make note...we will need to "reconcider/re-measure" for backwash room as we progress...
This led to the "revised" pic...
Which left us short on return pump chamber room, so we started to "adjust" our sizing...
. Now we start laying it out on paper (or "paint") and see what that's going to look like...
We want to "pencil in" the skimmer and return pump as close to "scale" as we can get to see that everything "fits" and makes scense...
And we may have to "adjust it" a time or two to fit the baffles and O/F drain chamber in...but it's a lot easier to "Cut and Paste" in Paint then it is to glue them in and find out the skimmer won't fit...
First shot with the "numbers" ....32" for Fuge and at least 11 for Skimmer footprint..only leaves 5" for return chamber and we haven't added baffles yet...
We will need to "squeeze the fuge down 2"-3" at least (to fit pump and baffles) but we can make up a bit of the fuge size by making it "taller"....
We had twice as much "backwash" room as we needed...and we"ll gain more in the skimmer and return pump chamber, because they will "run" at a lower level to begin with...
We also want to concider "lighting" the fuge...Probably something in the 24" PC or VHO range... (we"ll get "deeper" into this later)...
So we could go as short as 28"X18x18 = 39.7 and still get our 40 gallon "Goal"...
But make note...we will need to "reconcider/re-measure" for backwash room as we progress...
This led to the "revised" pic...