Starting up my 125G
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posiden
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Originally Posted by Sparty059 http:///forum/thread/379766/starting-up-my-125g/40#post_3305257
Come again?
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Originally Posted by Posiden http:///forum/thread/379766/starting-up-my-125g/40#post_3305253
Ha,Ha. You wouldn't know the water meter was working over time at the rate you get to fill the tank, right?LOL
Sorry I just saw this....
When making RO or RO/DI water, the unit wastes a lot of water to give you the pure water. Most units are a 4:1 ratio. My unit gives me just short of 14 gallons of waste, to 5 gallons of pure water. I collect my waste water so I can use it. That's what I meant by the water meter comment.
2quills
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Originally Posted by Sparty059 http:///forum/thread/379766/starting-up-my-125g/80#post_3305952
How would you use your waste water? Also, I'm still confused on what you mean by I wouldn't know the water meter was working over time at the rate I get to fill the tank...?
I think it was just a joke, Sparty at the fact that it takes along time to fill the tank.
Originally Posted by Sparty059 http:///forum/thread/379766/starting-up-my-125g/80#post_3305952
How would you use your waste water? Also, I'm still confused on what you mean by I wouldn't know the water meter was working over time at the rate I get to fill the tank...?
I think it was just a joke, Sparty at the fact that it takes along time to fill the tank.
posiden
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Originally Posted by Sparty059 http:///forum/thread/379766/starting-up-my-125g/80#post_3305952
How would you use your waste water? Also, I'm still confused on what you mean by I wouldn't know the water meter was working over time at the rate I get to fill the tank...?
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Originally Posted by meowzer http:///forum/thread/379766/starting-up-my-125g/80#post_3305955
Some people use their waste water to fill up their washers and do laundry with it.....water plants....etc......I'm too lazy....mine goes into the laundry drain LOL
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Originally Posted by Sparty059 http:///forum/thread/379766/starting-up-my-125g/80#post_3305968
Mine goes down the water sink... I like to keep the water companies in business... I look forward to the water bill for this months usage...
Meowzer got it. I use it to water plants with, (my garden and the wife's flowers). I'm gonna have to come up with another use for it though. Winter is coming and my washer is too smart for it.LOL. I have tried to put some in there and it just flushes it out before it starts the cycle. I held out for a long time before I got an RO/DI unit cause I HATE the waste. We are all supposed to be responsible and buy only aquaculture fish and coral.......why is water so different??
Just a rough guess here, but you will have sent about 400-500 gallons of water down the drain before you finish filling up you tank.............
monsinour
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I guess that is where the missus and I will get out easy on this. The city pays for the water in my area so we dont ever worry about using too much water. If we were going to use the waste water, we would put it into the wife's grooming van to use as bath water for the dogs. But she is set on getting walmart water for the tank for now so I dont have to deal with this atm.
sparty059
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Ok, so I added the hangers for the tubes coming from the tall 20g. I am going to super glue the egg crate in tomorrow morning, and will start filling my water up again. A big question I have... should I add water to the DT so it fills the overflow and have that water slowly fill the sump and then the refugium? Or should I add water to the sump, and the refugium first? Also, I want to make sure that's why I keep asking this question, so I apologize for repeating myself. How much water will I want in the sump/refugium to keep this from overflowing? If there is a way that I can add water slowly to see if it will keep the flow going or if it will catch air and stop I would rather do it that way. What I mean is how would I go about adding water to the DT and then do the "assume the power fails" situation and let the water dump into the sump, I'd rather it only dump very little to start and just add water on a gallon by gallon basis until it's perfect. Rather than killing the power and having it overflow as I test it out. Is there an easy way to do this? As I said in a previous post... I get VERY anxious about this stuff and do lose sleep if I don't feel comfortable. If it overflows, I will have a VERY VERY angry girlfriend, and not to mention she will probably make me sell my stuff if it ruins any carpet or furniture. You can see why I would lose sleep! But in all seriousness, I need this to be PERFECT with no chance of overflowing since it would be VERY bad as you can all imagine.
meowzer
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I'm gonna give this a shot....LOL
1st it really doesn't matter what water goes in first.....you will fill your sump up some....cover the pump.......then get your siphon going, and turn the pump on
all should be well...LOL.....then cut the pump off.....the water will continue to come into the sump from the top tank.....it will stop when it gets to the bottom of the over flow teeth
see where the level is in the sump.....if you have quite a few inches, add some more water...turn all on again....and then turn the pump off again...see where it fills up to
keep doing this until you are 100% sure...the water from the dt will NOT go above the sump wall
understand
1st it really doesn't matter what water goes in first.....you will fill your sump up some....cover the pump.......then get your siphon going, and turn the pump on
all should be well...LOL.....then cut the pump off.....the water will continue to come into the sump from the top tank.....it will stop when it gets to the bottom of the over flow teeth
see where the level is in the sump.....if you have quite a few inches, add some more water...turn all on again....and then turn the pump off again...see where it fills up to
keep doing this until you are 100% sure...the water from the dt will NOT go above the sump wall
understand
monsinour
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well then, get a ton of O-Cello sponges and line your sump/refugium with them. Then go to the dollar store and get a crap load of towels and line your stand with them. Eventually, talk your GF into getting the carpeting ripped out and replaced with tile or hardwood floors.
I dont mean to sound like an inconsiderate azz, but you can never garuntee no overflows ever unless you leave out the sump/refugium. Maybe if you had a 20 gallon sump/refugium, filled it with 15 gallons of watter, and made sure your overflow only pulled less than 4 gallons from the DT. I am curious to your question too, but with my aniimals in my house, i could care less if my floor gets wet. Actually water on the floor would be better than the pee i step in sometimes. (we have an elderly dog who has cushings and wife and i agree that we can deal with stepping in pee as she, the dog, means too much to both of us and her qualitty of life is not bad yet.)
So maybe do this, as I think more about it, Fill the DT to the desired level. Mark that on the tank in some way, masking tape or something, and then start the overflow. See just how much your overflow can pull out of the DT into the sump. Then fill the sump to the desired level and start up your return pump. This should prevent any kind of overflow as long as you dont add more water to the DT. Adjust the flow from the return pump to match the drain from the overflow and viola, you should be good to go.
Then again, i dont even have a tank setup yet, and I could be completely wrong. (i gotta wait until next weekend before i can even think about doing the FW leak test.)
edit : I think meowzer pwned me with the same answer, in a way.
I dont mean to sound like an inconsiderate azz, but you can never garuntee no overflows ever unless you leave out the sump/refugium. Maybe if you had a 20 gallon sump/refugium, filled it with 15 gallons of watter, and made sure your overflow only pulled less than 4 gallons from the DT. I am curious to your question too, but with my aniimals in my house, i could care less if my floor gets wet. Actually water on the floor would be better than the pee i step in sometimes. (we have an elderly dog who has cushings and wife and i agree that we can deal with stepping in pee as she, the dog, means too much to both of us and her qualitty of life is not bad yet.)
So maybe do this, as I think more about it, Fill the DT to the desired level. Mark that on the tank in some way, masking tape or something, and then start the overflow. See just how much your overflow can pull out of the DT into the sump. Then fill the sump to the desired level and start up your return pump. This should prevent any kind of overflow as long as you dont add more water to the DT. Adjust the flow from the return pump to match the drain from the overflow and viola, you should be good to go.
Then again, i dont even have a tank setup yet, and I could be completely wrong. (i gotta wait until next weekend before i can even think about doing the FW leak test.)
edit : I think meowzer pwned me with the same answer, in a way.
sparty059
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Originally Posted by Monsinour http:///forum/thread/379766/starting-up-my-125g/80#post_3307956
well then, get a ton of O-Cello sponges and line your sump/refugium with them. Then go to the dollar store and get a crap load of towels and line your stand with them. Eventually, talk your GF into getting the carpeting ripped out and replaced with tile or hardwood floors. --- A terrible solution, as you may not be able to prevent down the line, but you can prevent to start out. If you're thinking you're going to overflow your tank the first day you fill it up, then you should look into another hobby... that screams failure and a lack of education on your part.
I dont mean to sound like an inconsiderate azz, but you can never garuntee no overflows ever unless you leave out the sump/refugium. Maybe if you had a 20 gallon sump/refugium, filled it with 15 gallons of watter, and made sure your overflow only pulled less than 4 gallons from the DT. I am curious to your question too, but with my aniimals in my house, i could care less if my floor gets wet. Actually water on the floor would be better than the pee i step in sometimes. (we have an elderly dog who has cushings and wife and i agree that we can deal with stepping in pee as she, the dog, means too much to both of us and her qualitty of life is not bad yet.) --- Have you ever went swimming in an ocean and sat on your cloth car seat? When it dries up it leaves a white lining from the salt... if you have overflow you better be ready to see your carpet become hard and have the salt mark on it as well as a chance of mold under your carpet. I'd much rather my dog come in the room and have his bladder let loose rather than having a tank overflow. So no, that is wrong on your part... it will ruin carpet.
So maybe do this, as I think more about it, Fill the DT to the desired level. Mark that on the tank in some way, masking tape or something, and then start the overflow. See just how much your overflow can pull out of the DT into the sump. Then fill the sump to the desired level and start up your return pump. This should prevent any kind of overflow as long as you dont add more water to the DT. Adjust the flow from the return pump to match the drain from the overflow and viola, you should be good to go.
Then again, i dont even have a tank setup yet, and I could be completely wrong. (i gotta wait until next weekend before i can even think about doing the FW leak test.)
edit : I think meowzer pwned me with the same answer, in a way.
Meowzer, I will follow along with what you have to say as you tend to make much more sense than this Monisour fellow. It seems all he's been doing is flauting his read a book method to many people on this forum when he should pick it up and look it over himself based on some of the comments he has.
Originally Posted by Monsinour http:///forum/thread/379766/starting-up-my-125g/80#post_3307956
well then, get a ton of O-Cello sponges and line your sump/refugium with them. Then go to the dollar store and get a crap load of towels and line your stand with them. Eventually, talk your GF into getting the carpeting ripped out and replaced with tile or hardwood floors. --- A terrible solution, as you may not be able to prevent down the line, but you can prevent to start out. If you're thinking you're going to overflow your tank the first day you fill it up, then you should look into another hobby... that screams failure and a lack of education on your part.
I dont mean to sound like an inconsiderate azz, but you can never garuntee no overflows ever unless you leave out the sump/refugium. Maybe if you had a 20 gallon sump/refugium, filled it with 15 gallons of watter, and made sure your overflow only pulled less than 4 gallons from the DT. I am curious to your question too, but with my aniimals in my house, i could care less if my floor gets wet. Actually water on the floor would be better than the pee i step in sometimes. (we have an elderly dog who has cushings and wife and i agree that we can deal with stepping in pee as she, the dog, means too much to both of us and her qualitty of life is not bad yet.) --- Have you ever went swimming in an ocean and sat on your cloth car seat? When it dries up it leaves a white lining from the salt... if you have overflow you better be ready to see your carpet become hard and have the salt mark on it as well as a chance of mold under your carpet. I'd much rather my dog come in the room and have his bladder let loose rather than having a tank overflow. So no, that is wrong on your part... it will ruin carpet.
So maybe do this, as I think more about it, Fill the DT to the desired level. Mark that on the tank in some way, masking tape or something, and then start the overflow. See just how much your overflow can pull out of the DT into the sump. Then fill the sump to the desired level and start up your return pump. This should prevent any kind of overflow as long as you dont add more water to the DT. Adjust the flow from the return pump to match the drain from the overflow and viola, you should be good to go.
Then again, i dont even have a tank setup yet, and I could be completely wrong. (i gotta wait until next weekend before i can even think about doing the FW leak test.)
edit : I think meowzer pwned me with the same answer, in a way.
Meowzer, I will follow along with what you have to say as you tend to make much more sense than this Monisour fellow. It seems all he's been doing is flauting his read a book method to many people on this forum when he should pick it up and look it over himself based on some of the comments he has.
meowzer
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Originally Posted by Sparty059 http:///forum/thread/379766/starting-up-my-125g/80#post_3307959
Meowzer, I will follow along with what you have to say as you tend to make much more sense than this Monisour fellow. It seems all he's been doing is flauting his read a book method to many people on this forum when he should pick it up and look it over himself based on some of the comments he has.
He is new and learning also....just trying to help ....I am telling you what I said because I have done it with my sump....I am just not a great explainer...LOL
I hope neither of you think you will never get any water on the rug.....I have, not from overflows....just from dripping, feeding, splashing....I have a dark carpet, and no white stains.....so there is hope yet....
I did say that if I had it to do all over...I would not have carpet up to the tanks...but who knew I was gonna end up with a 225G, 54G, 29G and 10G SW tanks in this room
This is not an easy hobby...it really takes a lot of time..and PATIENCE....
Originally Posted by Sparty059 http:///forum/thread/379766/starting-up-my-125g/80#post_3307959
Meowzer, I will follow along with what you have to say as you tend to make much more sense than this Monisour fellow. It seems all he's been doing is flauting his read a book method to many people on this forum when he should pick it up and look it over himself based on some of the comments he has.
He is new and learning also....just trying to help ....I am telling you what I said because I have done it with my sump....I am just not a great explainer...LOL
I hope neither of you think you will never get any water on the rug.....I have, not from overflows....just from dripping, feeding, splashing....I have a dark carpet, and no white stains.....so there is hope yet....
I did say that if I had it to do all over...I would not have carpet up to the tanks...but who knew I was gonna end up with a 225G, 54G, 29G and 10G SW tanks in this room
This is not an easy hobby...it really takes a lot of time..and PATIENCE....
sparty059
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Originally Posted by meowzer http:///forum/thread/379766/starting-up-my-125g/80#post_3307962
He is new and learning also....just trying to help ....I am telling you what I said because I have done it with my sump....I am just not a great explainer...LOL
I hope neither of you think you will never get any water on the rug.....I have, not from overflows....just from dripping, feeding, splashing....I have a dark carpet, and no white stains.....so there is hope yet....
I did say that if I had it to do all over...I would not have carpet up to the tanks...but who knew I was gonna end up with a 225G, 54G, 29G and 10G SW tanks in this room
This is not an easy hobby...it really takes a lot of time..and PATIENCE....
Yes, I've already had water drip on the carpet from sticking my arm in to rearrange rock with no stains on it... but the overflow of gallons would not look good on a carpet that's for sure. Anyway I think I understand what you mean Meowzer, however, should I close off all access to the refugium and have all water flow the to sump to start out? and just have the water pump through that way? The water will fill up to at least 8" in the sump since the baffles are 8" tall... the tank is 12" tall, so should I let it fill to that point and just wait to see what happens there and kick off the siphon?
Originally Posted by meowzer http:///forum/thread/379766/starting-up-my-125g/80#post_3307962
He is new and learning also....just trying to help ....I am telling you what I said because I have done it with my sump....I am just not a great explainer...LOL
I hope neither of you think you will never get any water on the rug.....I have, not from overflows....just from dripping, feeding, splashing....I have a dark carpet, and no white stains.....so there is hope yet....
I did say that if I had it to do all over...I would not have carpet up to the tanks...but who knew I was gonna end up with a 225G, 54G, 29G and 10G SW tanks in this room
This is not an easy hobby...it really takes a lot of time..and PATIENCE....
Yes, I've already had water drip on the carpet from sticking my arm in to rearrange rock with no stains on it... but the overflow of gallons would not look good on a carpet that's for sure. Anyway I think I understand what you mean Meowzer, however, should I close off all access to the refugium and have all water flow the to sump to start out? and just have the water pump through that way? The water will fill up to at least 8" in the sump since the baffles are 8" tall... the tank is 12" tall, so should I let it fill to that point and just wait to see what happens there and kick off the siphon?
sparty059
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Originally Posted by Monsinour http:///forum/thread/379766/starting-up-my-125g/80#post_3307961
BTW, i have no carpet in my house.
Congrats on that?
Originally Posted by Monsinour http:///forum/thread/379766/starting-up-my-125g/80#post_3307961
BTW, i have no carpet in my house.
Congrats on that?
sparty059
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Originally Posted by meowzer http:///forum/thread/379766/starting-up-my-125g/80#post_3307966
ANOTHER THING.....if you guys are worried about leaks, get a few of these...I have one under my 225G...AND IT IS LOUD!!!
http://www.homedepot.com/buy/plumbing/pumps/basement-watchdog/battery-operated-water-alarm-41623.html
That's perfect. I will be getting one of those! Thank you very much meowzer, as always you're a great help!
Originally Posted by meowzer http:///forum/thread/379766/starting-up-my-125g/80#post_3307966
ANOTHER THING.....if you guys are worried about leaks, get a few of these...I have one under my 225G...AND IT IS LOUD!!!
http://www.homedepot.com/buy/plumbing/pumps/basement-watchdog/battery-operated-water-alarm-41623.html
That's perfect. I will be getting one of those! Thank you very much meowzer, as always you're a great help!