Tea Party Movement

fishtaco

fishtaco

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Originally Posted by bionicarm http:///forum/thread/380296/tea-party-movement/220#post_3312219
Yea, yea, I know you're this Pro Life advocate. We've beat that dog to death too many times already. No matter how I justify why a woman has precedence over her body over a fetus, you'll never accept it. Where exactly in the Ten Commandments or the Bible does it say "Though shall not terminate the life of an unborn child"? Where in the Bible does it define the term "fetus"? Where in the Bible does it state fetus = living being? Of course, all of this conjecture is based on the fact that you want to put a religious book like the Bible legally over defined and passed laws of this land. Meaning, anything that is stated in the Bible overrules any law that was passed by Congress, or argued in favor of the US Suprene Court.
Something my conservative friends have left out is that Angle, McDonnell and Paul "Tea Party canidates" all favor no abortion at all including if a woman is raped or in the case of incest. Clearly these people all put the bible well ahead of anything the founding fathers wrote down and this denial that people like this do not want to form a religious theocracy for our form of government is ridiculous.
 
So in the real world, your wife or daughter gets raped by a sex offender and then you are forced by a law enacted from religious belief to stand by and do nothing yet the Tea Party members will gladly sit in a crowd and wave a "Don't Tread on Me" flag and support Angle, McDonnell and Paul.
 
I don't support abortion as a form of birth control, but leave it to the Tea Party, religious right, far-right, whatever they decide to call themselves to take an issue that with just a little bit of common sense could have an outcome that everyone could live with and instead take it to the extreme and further divide the country.
 
Fishtaco
 
 
stdreb27

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Originally Posted by bionicarm http:///forum/thread/380296/tea-party-movement/220#post_3312219
Yea, yea, I know you're this Pro Life advocate. We've beat that dog to death too many times already. No matter how I justify why a woman has precedence over her body over a fetus, you'll never accept it. Where exactly in the Ten Commandments or the Bible does it say "Though shall not terminate the life of an unborn child"? Where in the Bible does it define the term "fetus"? Where in the Bible does it state fetus = living being? Of course, all of this conjecture is based on the fact that you want to put a religious book like the Bible legally over defined and passed laws of this land. Meaning, anything that is stated in the Bible overrules any law that was passed by Congress, or argued in favor of the US Suprene Court.
lol, ok, ummm, so if this is your point, why do you run around saying abortion is some christian argument?
 
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Originally Posted by Darthtang AW http:///forum/thread/380296/tea-party-movement/220#post_3312225
 
Why would an of us take the time to point out the many verses in the bible regarding the womb and the life there in? You don't adhere to it or find it a valid source.
ok good someone besides me thinks it doesn't make any sense.
 
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Originally Posted by Fishtaco http:///forum/thread/380296/tea-party-movement/240#post_3312226
Something my conservative friends have left out is that Angle, McDonnell and Paul "Tea Party canidates" all favor no abortion at all including if a woman is raped or in the case of incest. Clearly these people all put the bible well ahead of anything the founding fathers wrote down and this denial that people like this do not want to form a religious theocracy for our form of government is ridiculous.
 
So in the real world, your wife or daughter gets raped by a sex offender and then you are forced by a law enacted from religious belief to stand by and do nothing yet the Tea Party members will gladly sit in a crowd and wave a "Don't Tread on Me" flag and support Angle, McDonnell and Paul.
 
I don't support abortion as a form of birth control, but leave it to the Tea Party, religious right, far-right, whatever they decide to call themselves to take an issue that with just a little bit of common sense could have an outcome that everyone could live with and instead take it to the extreme and further divide the country.
 
Fishtaco
 
One of my absolute favorite ways to piss off a liberal is to get a baby killing supporter to argue that they should abort a child that is a result of rape because of the mental anguish it causes the woman. Then ask, so what, we'd kill a baby, to keep a woman from being upset. We value a woman's feeling more than we value human life? And that is when I step back, watch the liberal explode. And laugh...
 
It is even more than than telling some gay rights fruit loop, that gays aren't discriminated against legally.
Quite frankly, although I still feel it distasteful, I'd settle for a ban of abortions that allow an excemption for rape victims and serious health issues. But that argument isn't the issue. (see the partial birth abortion ban and the hoopla that surrounded that)
 
fishtaco

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Originally Posted by stdreb27 http:///forum/thread/380296/tea-party-movement/240#post_3312233
lol, ok, ummm, so if this is your point, why do you run around saying abortion is some christian argument?
 
ok good someone besides me thinks it doesn't make any sense.
 
One of my absolute favorite ways to piss off a liberal is to get a baby killing supporter to argue that they should abort a child that is a result of rape because of the mental anguish it causes the woman. Then ask, so what, we'd kill a baby, to keep a woman from being upset. We value a woman's feeling more than we value human life? And that is when I step back, watch the liberal explode. And laugh...
 
It is even more than than telling some gay rights fruit loop, that gays aren't discriminated against legally.
Quite frankly, although I still feel it distasteful, I'd settle for a ban of abortions that allow an excemption for rape victims and serious health issues. But that argument isn't the issue. (see the partial birth abortion ban and the hoopla that surrounded that)
Hey Streb why don't you go become a victim of a sexual assault and after they stitch you back up and your not wearing diapers, let me how upset you are and then deal with it everyday for nine months afterwords. Saying that a woman is only "upset", does upset include all the way to suicide?
 
I will however put you down as a person who abosolutely supports a religious theocracy for our form of government from this point forward, sorry for actually mistaking you for anything else than a pre-programmed robot. At least be truthful and admit that at the end of the day the things this country was founded on and our laws and Constitution only have value to you if they align with your religious beliefs and the rest needs to be changed. At least I can respect honesty, give me something.
 
Fishtaco
 
darthtang aw

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Originally Posted by Fishtaco http:///forum/thread/380296/tea-party-movement/240#post_3312226
Something my conservative friends have left out is that Angle, McDonnell and Paul "Tea Party canidates" all favor no abortion at all including if a woman is raped or in the case of incest. Clearly these people all put the bible well ahead of anything the founding fathers wrote down and this denial that people like this do not want to form a religious theocracy for our form of government is ridiculous.
 
So in the real world, your wife or daughter gets raped by a sex offender and then you are forced by a law enacted from religious belief to stand by and do nothing yet the Tea Party members will gladly sit in a crowd and wave a "Don't Tread on Me" flag and support Angle, McDonnell and Paul.
 
I don't support abortion as a form of birth control, but leave it to the Tea Party, religious right, far-right, whatever they decide to call themselves to take an issue that with just a little bit of common sense could have an outcome that everyone could live with and instead take it to the extreme and further divide the country.
 
Fishtaco
 
A woman has a better chance of getting struck by lightning consecutive times than getting raped while ovulating. There was a study done by the university of Minnesota in the 1990's. Of the 15,000 reported rapes, exactly 0 resulted in pregnancy.
 
Just a little FYI.
 
darthtang aw

darthtang aw

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Originally Posted by bionicarm http:///forum/thread/380296/tea-party-movement/240#post_3312245
You're exactly correct. So why should a government entity FORCE me to adhere to those edicts if I don't believe in them?
Oh, you mean like welfare programs? Healthcare programs? social security? Unemployment taxes? Auto insurance. seatbelt laws. Incandescent light bulb usage. LMAO......Everyone in this country adheres to a law or regulation they do not agree with or like. What makes you that much more special than the people that disagree with the laws you support?
 
stdreb27

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Originally Posted by Fishtaco http:///forum/thread/380296/tea-party-movement/240#post_3312241
Hey Streb why don't you go become a victim of a sexual assault and after they stitch you back up and your not wearing diapers, let me how upset you are and then deal with it everyday for nine months afterwords. Saying that a woman is only "upset", does upset include all the way to suicide?
 
I will however put you down as a person who abosolutely supports a religious theocracy for our form of government from this point forward, sorry for actually mistaking you for anything else than a pre-programmed robot. At least be truthful and admit that at the end of the day the things this country was founded on and our laws and Constitution only have value to you if they align with your religious beliefs and the rest needs to be changed. At least I can respect honesty, give me something.
 
Fishtaco
Dude it is just an argument. In a policy position, I told you what I'd realistically support. Besides, it is a what if senerio that as darth pointed out, almost never happens... I love pushing bottons, and I think I found yours...
 
But thanks for the laugh anyway.
 
I'm not the "pre-programmed" robot in this conversation... And someone PLEASSEEE explain to me, how valuing the sanctity of a human life is somehow a "christian" value... This whole, theme, that you and bionic have used on abortion, booze, just seems like a copout to me. A pre-programmed one that I hear over and over from multiple sources... Not just yours...
 
 
stdreb27

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Originally Posted by Darthtang AW http:///forum/thread/380296/tea-party-movement/240#post_3312247
Oh, you mean like welfare programs? Healthcare programs? social security? Unemployment taxes? Auto insurance. seatbelt laws. Incandescent light bulb usage. LMAO......Everyone in this country adheres to a law or regulation they do not agree with or like. What makes you that much more special than the people that disagree with the laws you support?
I've already tried that argument... When he was complaining about prohabitionist baptists and their dry county laws... Appearently it is perfectly acceptible to force your beliefs on people as long as there is a good justification for it. Like the global warming hoax... drunk driver's aren't a good reason...
 
 
reefraff

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Originally Posted by bionicarm http:///forum/thread/380296/tea-party-movement/220#post_3312214
I missed the point because it made no sense. You just rambled about how your tax dollars are being wasted on Federal programs that benefit ALL Americans. Just because they aren't readily accessible to yuou, you think they should do away with them. Sure, get rid of the protection of some of this country's most beautiful and natural resources that are revered worldwide because you want an extra $200/year to stuff your face, smoke your cigarettes, and drink your beer. No wait, don't tell me. "Let the states manage their own resources." OK, so does that mean if Arizona takes ownership of the Grand Canyon, the only people who can visit it are from Arizona, because Arizonians are taking the added tax burden to maintain that park? If anyone else wants to see it, they have to pay $100 to get in, because that's what Arizona will charge for entry fees for 'non-residents'. Give me a break.
First off there is already a fee to enter a National Park, 20 bucks last I went plus campsite fees.
 
Where do you draw the line at which services the government should provide? As the government decides it needs to provide more and more services we are left with less and less. Problem is Federal Bureaucracies are horribly inefficient so we end up with the kind of corruption and fraud we see in the Medicare system.
 
darthtang aw

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not to mention the corruption in politicians, with each new function of government we just allow more avenues for politicians to line their pockets at the expense of the people.......
 
reefraff

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Ya'll do know there are anti abortion folk who don't base their opinion on "religion" right?
 
I always find the argument that "it's not a person" foolish as it is offensive". I believe there is only one cause of pregnancy. If the woman chooses to end that pregnancy that's between her, should be the father, and her maker whoever or whatever she deems that to be but let's not sugar coat what it is, Ending a human life.
 
darthtang aw

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Originally Posted by reefraff http:///forum/thread/380296/tea-party-movement/240#post_3312273
Ya'll do know there are anti abortion folk who don't base their opinion on "religion" right?
 
I always find the argument that "it's not a person" foolish as it is offensive". I believe there is only one cause of pregnancy. If the woman chooses to end that pregnancy that's between her, should be the father, and her maker whoever or whatever she deems that to be but let's not sugar coat what it is, Ending a human life.
And shooting a dog can get you jail time....lmao.....The irony.
 
bionicarm

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Originally Posted by Darthtang AW http:///forum/thread/380296/tea-party-movement/240#post_3312247
Oh, you mean like welfare programs? Healthcare programs? social security? Unemployment taxes? Auto insurance. seatbelt laws. Incandescent light bulb usage. LMAO......Everyone in this country adheres to a law or regulation they do not agree with or like. What makes you that much more special than the people that disagree with the laws you support?
Because the laws I support aren't based on religious beliefs. Did they create welfare, helathcare, SS, unemployment taxes, auto insurance, seatbelt laws, or Incan. bulb usage laws because "God or the Bible said to?" Or because "my religious convictions dictate we should enact 'morality' laws"?
 
 
bionicarm

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Originally Posted by reefraff http:///forum/thread/380296/tea-party-movement/240#post_3312264
First off there is already a fee to enter a National Park, 20 bucks last I went plus campsite fees.
 
Where do you draw the line at which services the government should provide? As the government decides it needs to provide more and more services we are left with less and less. Problem is Federal Bureaucracies are horribly inefficient so we end up with the kind of corruption and fraud we see in the Medicare system.
And you think that state and local governemnts are any less corrupt? Oh wait, "If you don't like a state or local politician, you have more control over getting them out of office." Riight. That's why the illustrious Rick Perry is running for his FOURTH term as Texas Governor. Texas being a Republican-led state for the last several decades, and there's a snowball's chance in Hell a Democratic candidate will ever get voted in here anytime soon. Perry is the leader of the "Texas Good 'Ole Boys Club", and has his hand in every major player's pocket. Keeps them happy by giving all these tax exemptions, or state funded provisions. Spends money like it grown on trees. There was this fire at the Governor's Mansion that forced him to move out while it was being repaired. It's just him and his wife now, but he went out and rented this 5,000 - 6,000 sq. ft. home in one of the most exclusive neighborhoods in Austin at the tune of $8,000 - $10,000 per month. He justified it because he needed space for his "personal assistants and CHEF". My tax dollars at work.
Meanwhile, we're looking at an $18 billion deficit next year, with no solutions on how to avoid it.
 
 
aquaknight

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Originally Posted by bionicarm http:///forum/thread/380296/tea-party-movement/240#post_3312283
Meanwhile, we're looking at an $18 billion deficit next year, with no solutions on how to avoid it.
 
And you do realize that Perry's annual salary, the salaries of everyone of these assistants, the cost of the rental property, the costs to fix the governor's mansion, all that, and then some, likely don't even close to equaling half of 1% of the deficit?
 
Though I do share you points about booze (though not sure it's entirely about religion, keeping the businesses happy is likely the main reason). The laws are pretty retarded in some states, Bama is pretty bad. Up on till 2009, all beer sold had to be less then 6% ABV, 2 out of every 3 counties are dry, and best of all, there are no private liquor stores. Beer and wine can be sold, but spirits, etc much be purchase from the state. It's mind-boggling.
 
darthtang aw

darthtang aw

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Originally Posted by bionicarm http:///forum/thread/380296/tea-party-movement/240#post_3312280
Because the laws I support aren't based on religious beliefs. Did they create welfare, helathcare, SS, unemployment taxes, auto insurance, seatbelt laws, or Incan. bulb usage laws because "God or the Bible said to?" Or because "my religious convictions dictate we should enact 'morality' laws"?
 
So being against killing a human being is a religious belief? That is a stretch if I ever saw one.
 
 
So if a person of faith has an idea you are against it is what you are saying. Any laws written based on faith in a god and religion are a bad idea. This what you are saying.
 
 
darthtang aw

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Originally Posted by bionicarm http:///forum/thread/380296/tea-party-movement/240#post_3312283
 
And you think that state and local governemnts are any less corrupt? Oh wait, "If you don't like a state or local politician, you have more control over getting them out of office." Riight. That's why the illustrious Rick Perry is running for his FOURTH term as Texas Governor. Texas being a Republican-led state for the last several decades, and there's a snowball's chance in Hell a Democratic candidate will ever get voted in here anytime soon. Perry is the leader of the "Texas Good 'Ole Boys Club", and has his hand in every major player's pocket. Keeps them happy by giving all these tax exemptions, or state funded provisions. Spends money like it grown on trees. There was this fire at the Governor's Mansion that forced him to move out while it was being repaired. It's just him and his wife now, but he went out and rented this 5,000 - 6,000 sq. ft. home in one of the most exclusive neighborhoods in Austin at the tune of $8,000 - $10,000 per month. He justified it because he needed space for his "personal assistants and CHEF". My tax dollars at work.
Meanwhile, we're looking at an $18 billion deficit next year, with no solutions on how to avoid it.
 
Do you like anything about where you live? seriously? I have never seen anyone whine more about where they live than you.
 
 
stdreb27

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Originally Posted by bionicarm http:///forum/thread/380296/tea-party-movement/240#post_3312280
Because the laws I support aren't based on religious beliefs. Did they create welfare, helathcare, SS, unemployment taxes, auto insurance, seatbelt laws, or Incan. bulb usage laws because "God or the Bible said to?" Or because "my religious convictions dictate we should enact 'morality' laws"?
 
lol, do you not remember Obama at the debate at Rick Warrens church? He quoted Matthews and justified taking care of the "least among us." As a scriptural justification for social welfare and other big government "services". Hillary has made that argument...
 
 
 
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