Texas police department should be ashamed!

stdreb27

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Originally Posted by sharkbait9
http:///forum/post/2892335
Face the truth more cops are dirty then there are good ones. it’s a blanket statement, sure look up some stats on police officers on domestic, substance abuse , feelings of power. bunch.
lol dude, tell you what, next time you get pulled over offer the cop a grand to get out of the ticket. And tell me how that goes.
 

flpriest

Member
Originally Posted by stdreb27
http:///forum/post/2892252
But if the car salesman could he would.
You would really take a drug addict's and ambulance chaser's word over the word of a police officer...
Until you could back it up with facts?
Like I said in an earlier post, if there were more information on this, i would have read it and formed an opinion on all, but all we have to go on are the few articals/blogs that you, lion crazz and Darth have posted. Yeah, they were mostly put out by the family and the lawer involved... this is all I had to go on to form an opinion. And, my opinion is that this whole incident wouldn't have happened if the police wouldn't have mistaken the 12yr. old as a hooker...
 

darthtang aw

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Originally Posted by flpriest
http:///forum/post/2893126
And, my opinion is that this whole incident wouldn't have happened if the police wouldn't have mistaken the 12yr. old as a hooker...


May as well say, the holocaust would never have happened if Hitler was never born. Bottomline, it happened.
How come Al Sharpton isn't all over this? Racially charged police beating in a "ghetto". This is his cup of tea, especially when there is money to be made or media to pander to.
 

stdreb27

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Originally Posted by flpriest
http:///forum/post/2893126
Like I said in an earlier post, if there were more information on this,
i would have read it and formed an opinion on all, but all we have to go on are the few articals/blogs that you, lion crazz and Darth have posted. Yeah, they were mostly put out by the family and the lawer involved... this is all I had to go on to form an opinion. And, my opinion is that this whole incident wouldn't have happened if the police wouldn't have mistaken the 12yr. old as a hooker...

well besides plausibility, this is my point. Before some go off calling all cops bullies and crooked, or saying the majority of cops are corrupt. Or taking the tone of the OP we should probably wait till the legal process unfolds.
Because of course a drug user is going to hate the cops. The apple does fall far from the tree, and a lawyer is going to say whatever he is paid to say.
Cops are going to say pending investigation absolutely nothing, because they have their lawyers telling them how to act. They have to do major CYA no matter if they are innocent or not. So it looks bad.
But then there is the matter of the local wanna be Jesse Jackson. I guess this family just didn't have the money to pay him to care.
 

sharkbait9

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Originally Posted by stdreb27
http:///forum/post/2893118
lol dude, tell you what, next time you get pulled over offer the cop a grand to get out of the ticket. And tell me how that goes.

I would not think to offer the officer a bribe, No finacial gain for the officer other then a quick grand

If and when I get pulled over, I get the professional courtesy "warning" no ticket and I don’t even have to show my PBA cards.
For some reason you take offense when I or anyone says anything bad about police, Why?
You seem to have this ideology that all cops are good and do what the job is meant to be, a civil servant.
Ask a cop what his job boils down to, all or most are not going to say civil servant, most will say serve and protect. Big difference from a motto to job description.
Originally Posted by stdreb27

http:///forum/post/2892416
And that is why even a little controlled substances are wrong, sharkbait.
I can not get into CDS tolerance on this board since it maybe construed in way that its not meant to be.
I have read and partaken in to many lectures and class’s about it to know how the industry, government have to much vested other wise and utilizing the war on dr ugs as a money making machine.
It simply comes down to money.
Take prohibition as the example. The government placed a ban on alcohol and made it illegal to produce or imbibe alcohol. That law drove people underground and produced a market for it, the black market. People were dieing from alcohol and turf wars. Money was being made but the goverment was not making a penny. They appealed prohibition and the party started for everyone people were drinking and the goverment was making money. Shortly after the party died down and alcohol soon became as common as water. Yes you have people who have vices that can not handle or ingest alcohol and that’s an addiction. Not everyone drinks, some people don’t use it. Some use it socially. The same thing can be said for CDS.
While some argue that all CDS should be allowed, I have not really seen any evidence to lead me to believe that all cds usage should not be a criminal offence.
Lets say the government went and decriminalized all CDS. All CDS is lab made and avail for use.
Is everyone going to go and use a CDS? Answer, NO. Education and family values are enough to keep children to keep the majority of children and adults from using or experimenting. We educate and educate children to not use dru gs or alcohol while they are in school, does that stop them? NO some kids are going to use, try and experiment. That’s the way it is. The more you bad mouth “X” the more the kids are going to want to see what it is.
Another example of blocking kids from exposure. Ever go to Europe? Alcohol and s-x are so prevalent that I was shocked but to the kids alcohol and s-x were no big deal to them. Women walked around with barley nothing on and people were not even fazed by it.
As a country we are so excepting of certain thing and life styles but something that’s a DRUG we are aghast by it.
I could go on and on but im not since its pointless.
 

stdreb27

Active Member
Originally Posted by sharkbait9
http:///forum/post/2893618
I would not think to offer the officer a bribe, No finacial gain for the officer other then a quick grand

If and when I get pulled over, I get the professional courtesy "warning" no ticket and I don’t even have to show my PBA cards.
For some reason you take offense when I or anyone says anything bad about police, Why?
You seem to have this ideology that all cops are good and do what the job is meant to be, a civil servant.
Ask a cop what his job boils down to, all or most are not going to say civil servant, most will say serve and protect. Big difference from a motto to job description.
.
I never said that, I'm simply pointing two ridiculous notions.
1. you can trust a drug user over a police officer. As a whole.
2. That we have more corrupt officers vs honest ones.
If you want a taste of real corruption get in a wreck in Latin America. And get in a bidding war with the cops on who gets the ticket.
And yes I'm sorry, but running around with the false notion that cops are bad and out to get you is wrong.
Originally Posted by sharkbait9

http:///forum/post/2893618
I can not get into CDS tolerance on this board since it maybe construed in way that its not meant to be.
I have read and partaken in to many lectures and class’s about it to know how the industry, government have to much vested other wise and utilizing the war on dr ugs as a money making machine.
It simply comes down to money.
Take prohibition as the example. The government placed a ban on alcohol and made it illegal to produce or imbibe alcohol. That law drove people underground and produced a market for it, the black market. People were dieing from alcohol and turf wars. Money was being made but the goverment was not making a penny. They appealed prohibition and the party started for everyone people were drinking and the goverment was making money. Shortly after the party died down and alcohol soon became as common as water. Yes you have people who have vices that can not handle or ingest alcohol and that’s an addiction. Not everyone drinks, some people don’t use it. Some use it socially. The same thing can be said for CDS.
While some argue that all CDS should be allowed, I have not really seen any evidence to lead me to believe that all cds usage should not be a criminal offence.
Lets say the government went and decriminalized all CDS. All CDS is lab made and avail for use.
Is everyone going to go and use a CDS? Answer, NO. Education and family values are enough to keep children to keep the majority of children and adults from using or experimenting. We educate and educate children to not use dru gs or alcohol while they are in school, does that stop them? NO some kids are going to use, try and experiment. That’s the way it is. The more you bad mouth “X” the more the kids are going to want to see what it is.
Another example of blocking kids from exposure. Ever go to Europe? Alcohol and s-x are so prevalent that I was shocked but to the kids alcohol and s-x were no big deal to them. Women walked around with barley nothing on and people were not even fazed by it.
As a country we are so excepting of certain thing and life styles but something that’s a DRUG we are aghast by it.
I could go on and on but im not since its pointless.
1 point to make relating to this alcohol is legal and that isn't a big deal.
How many people die in drunk driving accidents? around 15 to 20 thousand a year? I may be a bit jaded since I'm in the 18-25 age bracket so I may see it more, but binge drinking is a common place.
This whole the "attraction to the forbidden" argument. Just doesn't hold water. Mainly because you're dealing with something that is addictive. Where more and more are required for the same results. If you've ever been addicted to anything you'd understand.
When dipping was new and forbidden I dipped a couple cans a week. When I quit I was dipping 2 cans a day.
That being said, I've worked in rehabilitating recovering drug addicts, alcoholics ect. So I'm a bit more repulsed than most when it comes to controlled substances.
 

sharkbait9

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Originally Posted by stdreb27
http:///forum/post/2893659
I never said that, I'm simply pointing two ridiculous notions.
1. you can trust a drug user over a police officer. As a whole.
.2. That we have more corrupt officers vs honest ones.
No, you can’t trust an addict over a cop. On a whole, yes I trust police officers. That’s not what the debate was about. The debate was the three officers actions. Again as a whole, yes I know my brothers and their fellow officers friends and have no problems with them. That said I do know a few cops that are dirty. So while I maybe jaded from knowing first hand the insides and outs of certain cops, I have my opinion about the three in question. Let me add that when I was growing up, me and my brothers wanted to be police officers. As we grew up and one got hired then the other and I was dispatching and working as a class one, I started to fall in love with the fire rescue side more. So I was the outcast since I went medical over the police dept.
Originally Posted by stdreb27
http:///forum/post/2893659
If you want a taste of real corruption get in a wreck in Latin America. And get in a bidding war with the cops on who gets the ticket.
And yes I'm sorry, but running around with the false notion that cops are bad and out to get you is wrong.
Again, lets stick to the debate. I’m not going to disagree with you or anyone about the Latin Americas corruption.
I would rather walk on the side of caution when it comes to cops. Lets look at rookie officers fresh out of the academy.
They leave the academy with the idea that they are the best, upholding the law for the right and taking down the wrong. Great idea but it adds a bit of self righteousness and at times can be overbearing and bit gruff. The veteran officers rarely make those mistakes.
Originally Posted by stdreb27

http:///forum/post/2893659
& 1 point to make relating to this alcohol is legal and that isn't a big deal.
Correct. Alcohol is legal and not a big deal. More people are addicted to alcohol then another drug. Why? A alcohol is legal and B it’s a social dr ug that most people don’t look down upon.
You do the same with weed and you will see the same thing happen that alcohol had. The party starts and then dies down. It becomes a part of society as tobacco and alcohol. No one said promote its use, but can be one in the same. The government makes its money and the black market has one less item to push. Legalizing weed allows the control and distribution.
The only real difference is that weeds addiction is limited in humans, for one reason is that humans produce THC naturally in the brain.
Originally Posted by stdreb27
http:///forum/post/2893659
How many people die in drunk driving accidents? around 15 to 20 thousand a year? I may be a bit jaded since I'm in the 18-25 age bracket so I may see it more, but binge drinking is a common place.
In 2007 41,059 people were killed due to alcohol related accidents ** http://www-nrd.nhtsa.dot.gov/Pubs/811017.PDF
Why is binge drinking so common place? One opinion is that alcohol is a “bad dru g” and that its look upon as evil. So when kids are set free and have a chance to use they tend to abuse. Simply because they were not allowed to touch or try a sip. When I was growing up if I ask to try a alcoholic drink my parents would let me have a sip so when I went to college friends were having a field day and boozing it up, mean while the kids who were allowed to try it did not have the desire to over embellish. That’s not to say some didn’t over do it.
Originally Posted by stdreb27
http:///forum/post/2893659
When dipping was new and forbidden I dipped a couple cans a week. When I quit I was dipping 2 cans a day.
Well at least you quite. Congrats. I had a hard time putting down my tin. Copenhagen Help me cope.
If you actually looked at what the snuff and chew has in it, people who use might be more inclined to put it down for good.
Originally Posted by stdreb27

http:///forum/post/2893659
That being said, I've worked in rehabilitating recovering drug addicts, alcoholics ect. So I'm a bit more repulsed than most when it comes to controlled substances.
So being involved with A&R, you know that some humans have a addictive personalities and chemical imbalance that makes one person susceptible to addiction then the next person.
So because one person is capable of being addicted to “X” we as a society should have pity and ban or prohibit the use of “X”?
 

stdreb27

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Originally Posted by sharkbait9
http:///forum/post/2893703
No, you can’t trust an addict over a cop. On a whole, yes I trust police officers. That’s not what the debate was about. The debate was the three officers actions. Again as a whole, yes I know my brothers and their fellow officers friends and have no problems with them. That said I do know a few cops that are dirty. So while I maybe jaded from knowing first hand the insides and outs of certain cops, I have my opinion about the three in question. Let me add that when I was growing up, me and my brothers wanted to be police officers. As we grew up and one got hired then the other and I was dispatching and working as a class one, I started to fall in love with the fire rescue side more. So I was the outcast since I went medical over the police dept.
Go back and read my posts, my whole point is that this knee jerk cops are bad reaction to this case is wrong. If they did whoop up on this girl for no reason, they need to dealt with.
I don't know how common this is else where but this type of story in houston, occurs every 2 or 3 months, and typically the police are exonerated.
Originally Posted by sharkbait9
http:///forum/post/2893703
Again, lets stick to the debate. I’m not going to disagree with you or anyone about the Latin Americas corruption.
I would rather walk on the side of caution when it comes to cops. Lets look at rookie officers fresh out of the academy.
They leave the academy with the idea that they are the best, upholding the law for the right and taking down the wrong. Great idea but it adds a bit of self righteousness and at times can be overbearing and bit gruff. The veteran officers rarely make those mistakes.
yeah you don't give the cops a reason to

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around with you, like walking down the street looking like a hooker, then fighting them, when they are trying to do their job.
I've been search for being in the wrong neighborhood at the wrong time. Just let them do their job. You aren't doing anything wrong, then they'll leave.
I'm just pointing out that saying the majority of cops here are corrupt is silly. If you want to see what that looks like look at latin america.
Originally Posted by sharkbait9

http:///forum/post/2893703
Correct. Alcohol is legal and not a big deal. More people are addicted to alcohol then another drug. Why? A alcohol is legal and B it’s a social dr ug that most people don’t look down upon.
You do the same with weed and you will see the same thing happen that alcohol had. The party starts and then dies down. It becomes a part of society as tobacco and alcohol. No one said promote its use, but can be one in the same. The government makes its money and the black market has one less item to push. Legalizing weed allows the control and distribution.
The only real difference is that weeds addiction is limited in humans, for one reason is that humans produce THC naturally in the brain.
On the contrary the party hasn't died down. Once again maybe I get a bad view on it, but I see alcohol abused every day, from young and old. (but I work in the oil industry now) little bit rougher characters. And I come from a family of dysfunctional alcoholics.
Originally Posted by sharkbait9
http:///forum/post/2893703
In 2007 41,059 people were killed due to alcohol related accidents ** http://www-nrd.nhtsa.dot.gov/Pubs/811017.PDF
Why is binge drinking so common place? One opinion is that alcohol is a “bad dru g” and that its look upon as evil. So when kids are set free and have a chance to use they tend to abuse. Simply because they were not allowed to touch or try a sip. When I was growing up if I ask to try a alcoholic drink my parents would let me have a sip so when I went to college friends were having a field day and boozing it up, mean while the kids who were allowed to try it did not have the desire to over embellish. That’s not to say some didn’t over do it.
I disagree, it is because kids are stupid. If this opinion is valid why is it that the young a kid starts drinking, the more likely they are to be an alcoholic? After all alcohol is no big deal right?
Originally Posted by sharkbait9

http:///forum/post/2893703
Well at least you quite. Congrats. I had a hard time putting down my tin. Copenhagen Help me cope.
If you actually looked at what the snuff and chew has in it, people who use might be more inclined to put it down for good.
I don't know how many times I've quit... Had other reasons was getting married, and realized that was one thing I needed to address because of the hold it had on me before I got married.
But this illustrates my point, addictive drugs, require more and more to satisfy the addiction. Making it easier to get with less barriers isn't going to lower the abuse of the product.
 

stdreb27

Active Member
Originally Posted by sharkbait9
http:///forum/post/2893703
So being involved with A&R, you know that some humans have a addictive personalities and chemical imbalance that makes one person susceptible to addiction then the next person.
So because one person is capable of being addicted to “X” we as a society should have pity and ban or prohibit the use of “X”?
It has little to do with this, and more to do with the crime associate with drugs, the medical cost, which we as a society will end up holding the bad. We as a society need some form of regulation or else it would be complete anarchy. And legalizing drugs, with the dangers health wise that occur from that would just be irresponsible for our society.
Besides with the health risks involved, there will be a black market just like there is now. Because there is no way a corporation is going to take on the liability involved with selling drugs. Or if they do the price would be so high it would be cheaper on the streets. But that is an economic not social issue.
 

robertmathern

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The new link dath posted dose have a few tings that dont make sence. First it said 2 cops held her and one handcuffed her. Has anyone here been hand cuffed. How dose a 12 year old girl resisit arrest when she is hand cuffed. Do you really need to hit her with a flash light. also the parents waited 2 hours to take her to the hospital. Has anybody been in ploice custody for an arrest it takes alot more than 2 hours.
 

stdreb27

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Originally Posted by robertmathern
http:///forum/post/2893849
The new link dath posted dose have a few tings that dont make sence. First it said 2 cops held her and one handcuffed her. Has anyone here been hand cuffed. How dose a 12 year old girl resisit arrest when she is hand cuffed. Do you really need to hit her with a flash light. also the parents waited 2 hours to take her to the hospital. Has anybody been in ploice custody for an arrest it takes alot more than 2 hours.
you aren't reading the whole inditement either... I wonder if this is big enough for smoking gun. I'll go look.
 

robertmathern

Active Member
No never read the inditment. Just that story that said she got beat by the cops after she was hand cuffed because she was dlinging on to a tree and fighting back. But I fail to see how I could cling to a tree a fight back while in hand cuffs.
 
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