This Can't Be-California Democratics Banned It

oscardeuce

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Originally Posted by bionicarm http:///t/388457/this-cant-be-california-democratics-banned-it/80#post_3428134
Do you want me to put down names? So everry person you know owns a gun? If you're curious, do your own survey. Wouldn't be hard to do. Go hang out at your local mall or bar, and simply ask anyone that walks by. You might be surprised what you find out.
You make my point for me again. It is not a good study to ask my friends if they are gun owners, that number would push 90% (skewed population). I would have to have a good study. Controlled for demographics, race,age, etc. That is good science. Asking you neighbors is an anecdote.
 
bionicarm

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Originally Posted by oscardeuce http:///t/388457/this-cant-be-california-democratics-banned-it/120#post_3428373
You make my point for me again. It is not a good study to ask my friends if they are gun owners, that number would push 90% (skewed population). I would have to have a good study. Controlled for demographics, race,age, etc. That is good science. Asking you neighbors is an anecdote.
Yet someone else who doesn't read an entire post. I stated, "Go hang out at your local mall or bar, and simply ask anyone that walks by." So now your "friends" encompass every person that goes to your local bars and mall? You're either a REAL popular person, or you live in Mayberry RFD.
 
bionicarm

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Originally Posted by mantisman51 http:///t/388457/this-cant-be-california-democratics-banned-it/100#post_3428372
Bionic, now I know you are pulling our legs or you're really just not thinking too well. There are non-white Americans and it is there right to carry. It is illegal for illegals to have firearms. I have no problem with "minorities" exercising their Constitutional rights. Strange someone who considers themselves liberal would automatically assume a Hispanic with a gun would automatically be an illegal, isn't it? You have, however, taken this thread to the ridiculous left fringe that I hoped a liberal would. You see, when a liberal gets excited and says what they really think, it is quite telling.
LOL. Good one. This coming from a guy that lives in a state that wants to allow the cops to ask for "proper documentation" from any person "suspected" to be an illegal. Yet the only individuals that occupy that state in numbers that would fit this profile are HISPANICS. Strange how someone who considers themselves conservative would automatically assume a Hispanic driving down the road with a bunch of other Hispanics would automatically be an ILLEGAL, isn't it? You have, however, taken this thread to the ridiculous right fringe that I hoped a conservative would. You see, when a conservative gets excited and says what they really think, it is quite telling.
 
bionicarm

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Originally Posted by mantisman51 http:///t/388457/this-cant-be-california-democratics-banned-it/100#post_3428371
You can carry open or CCW in bars here in Az. But you can't be drinking. Kind of like a designated gunner. :)
Drunks And Guns, only in Arizona. I'm sure every gun toter in that backwoods state does the honorable thing and doesn't take a sip of alcohol while packin' their six shooter. What a crock. Now I know the cops in Arizona are hiding the facts of how many "carriers" commit crimes. They don't dare tarnish that image or tradition by revealing the TRUE facts. Another reason you wouldn't catch me in that state. Too bad that Big Hole In The Ground resides there. Guess there's always the North Rim. I can get to it from Utah, where the normal human beings live.
 
reefraff

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Originally Posted by bionicarm http:///t/388457/this-cant-be-california-democratics-banned-it/120#post_3428404
LOL. Good one. This coming from a guy that lives in a state that wants to allow the cops to ask for "proper documentation" from any person "suspected" to be an illegal. Yet the only individuals that occupy that state in numbers that would fit this profile are HISPANICS. Strange how someone who considers themselves conservative would automatically assume a Hispanic driving down the road with a bunch of other Hispanics would automatically be an ILLEGAL, isn't it? You have, however, taken this thread to the ridiculous right fringe that I hoped a conservative would. You see, when a conservative gets excited and says what they really think, it is quite telling.
I guess we can add the Arizona law to the list you know nothing about. That law specifically states ethnicity cannot be considered. But you are in good company. Holder and 0bama hadn't read it either when they decided to sue to block it. But I guess in your world you will claim the cops will be out to target Mexicans and just lie about, despite the fact their are a whole lot of Hispanic cops in Az, But seeing as how they don't buy into the liberal BS I guess they are racists.
 
bionicarm

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Originally Posted by reefraff http:///t/388457/this-cant-be-california-democratics-banned-it/120#post_3428406
I guess we can add the Arizona law to the list you know nothing about. That law specifically states ethnicity cannot be considered. But you are in good company. Holder and 0bama hadn't read it either when they decided to sue to block it. But I guess in your world you will claim the cops will be out to target Mexicans and just lie about, despite the fact their are a whole lot of Hispanic cops in Az, But seeing as how they don't buy into the liberal BS I guess they are racists.
Of course ethnicity can't be considered. Yet, the main reason Arizone created the law in the first place was due to the massive influx of illegals coming from Mexico, i.e. HISPANICS. You think they created the law to round up all the illegal Germans, French, Pakastani's, and Chinese in Arizona? It's plain as the nose on your face who they are targeting. You can play the "Oh we're not discriminating against individuals with ligh-to-medium brown skin" card all you want. But we know you're fooling no one.
 
reefraff

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Originally Posted by bionicarm http:///t/388457/this-cant-be-california-democratics-banned-it/120#post_3428482
Of course ethnicity can't be considered. Yet, the main reason Arizone created the law in the first place was due to the massive influx of illegals coming from Mexico, i.e. HISPANICS. You think they created the law to round up all the illegal Germans, French, Pakastani's, and Chinese in Arizona? It's plain as the nose on your face who they are targeting. You can play the "Oh we're not discriminating against individuals with ligh-to-medium brown skin" card all you want. But we know you're fooling no one.
What, so now we don't enforce the law because the majority of the violators are a "minority"? If it were whites coming in illegally speaking another language stealing identities, not paying taxes and costing the government billions each year to teach their children is say Russian instead of spanish people would be just as mad
But then again moron liberals complain about crack laws because most involved happen to be minorities. I guess it's the color of their skin rather than the size of their bank account that drives them to the cheap drugs. .
 
mantisman51

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Originally Posted by bionicarm http:///t/388457/this-cant-be-california-democratics-banned-it/120#post_3428404
LOL. Good one. This coming from a guy that lives in a state that wants to allow the cops to ask for "proper documentation" from any person "suspected" to be an illegal. Yet the only individuals that occupy that state in numbers that would fit this profile are HISPANICS. Strange how someone who considers themselves conservative would automatically assume a Hispanic driving down the road with a bunch of other Hispanics would automatically be an ILLEGAL, isn't it? You have, however, taken this thread to the ridiculous right fringe that I hoped a conservative would. You see, when a conservative gets excited and says what they really think, it is quite telling.
WTH, Bionic? I assume evrytime I see a "bunch of Hispanics" I'm seeing a bunch of "people". I don't see them as "Hispanic". Now if I see anyone running across the road out in the desert and trying to be sneaky then, yeah, I am going to assume they are illegals. You are so hung up on race. You are such a blatant racist. Not the "let's go burn a cross" kind. But the soft kind of racist. The kind that says there are two types of Hispanics in America-victims of whitey or those who are going to be victimized by whitey and need liberal protection. YOU MADE THE ASSUMPTION A HISPANIC WITH A GUN WAS AN ILLEGAL. That is your racism. I assume a Hispanic or anyone else with a gun is a good citizen. Again, just like the illegal thread, you can anxiously try to throw stupid platitudes of racism at me, but you have exposed your distrust and racism against the folks you claim to care about. Go ahead. Point out my extremism. I just exposed yours.
 
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Of course ethnicity can't be considered.  Yet, the main reason Arizone created the law in the first place was due to the massive influx of illegals coming from Mexico, i.e. HISPANICS.  You think they created the law to round up all the illegal Germans, French, Pakastani's, and Chinese in Arizona?  It's plain as the nose on your face who they are targeting.  You can play the "Oh we're not discriminating against individuals with ligh-to-medium brown skin" card all you want.  But we know you're fooling no one. 
 
Cant believe I am actually going to say this. You are exactly right. except you forgot to add....that aren't legal citizens here breaking the law..
darth (the non citizen racist) Tang.
 
mantisman51

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So what? So most illegals here are Hispanic. The law is the same for all races and profiling is specifically prohibited. There was a lady working at the church I attended who was from England. She came on a 30 day tourist visa in 1983. She was pulled over for a danged expired tag. She didn't have proper documentation so they ran her ID and found out she was here illegally and she was turned over to BP and deported(to Mexico strangely enough). We have a huge Hispanic population in Arizona. Everyone is now required to carry some form of ID. The fact that we have so many illegals from Mexico is a problem. But everyone is treated the same. Strange how even though many parts of the law were allowed to go into effect, La Raza has not been able to find 1 case of Driving While Brown-and they have been looking hard. What ignorant(in the literal, not pejorative sense) people like Bionic don't seem to be able to grasp is that Hispanics make up the majority of law enforcement, Federal and state. You think they are workin' fo da whitey and are going to discriminate against Hispanics? That is the stupidest, racist thinking there could be.
 
mantisman51

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This is stupid. Bionic was losing his illogical arguments against citizens legally carrying firearms and out of desperation tried to link Hispanics carrying firearms to some crazy plot against Hispanics to divert the conversation. HTH does Hispanics legally carrying firearms become some whitey plot against them?
1) Someone has to break the law or have done something to draw suspicion on themselves from law enforcement. 2) Being brown or speaking Spanish are specifically prohibited and can result in prosecution and lawsuits against the officer and jurisdiction IN THE 1070 LAW. 3) Every person in Arizona has to have the same requirement of ID, regardless of race. 4) There are specific "reasonable suspicions of being an illegal alien" requirements; ie false ID, no ID and no proof of residence. 5) Hispanic Americans are Americans...period. The fact that so many Hispanics are now carrying firearms is a good thing as I believe all citizens have and should exercise that right. 6) Hispanic Americans aren't children who should be treated like victims and assumed to be discriminated against. The law is the same for everyone and liberals can't accept that. As long as they "need" liberals then liberals are happy. If minorities walk off the liberal plantation, they become the liberals "enemies" (see Herman Cain and Clarence Thomas). Almost 50% of Hispanics still support 1070 in Arizona according to Pew polls-even after leftists, like Bionic, 24 hour a day lies against it.
 
mantisman51

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Yeah, I'm peeved! There's no war going on in Mexico. There's no drugs and violence crossing our border. There's no foreigners of any race coming here to commit crime and suck our resources dry. Nope! Just a bunch of crazy white people who just hate brown people and come up with laws to make it hard on them. Does that all sound logical to anyone but crazy leftists? Does anyone actually believe Hispanics live in fear in Arizona, just waiting to be the next victim of whitey? Does anyone on this board, but Bionic, actually think this? WTH is wrong with this country?
 
bionicarm

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Originally Posted by mantisman51 http:///t/388457/this-cant-be-california-democratics-banned-it/120#post_3428543
WTH, Bionic? I assume evrytime I see a "bunch of Hispanics" I'm seeing a bunch of "people". I don't see them as "Hispanic". Now if I see anyone running across the road out in the desert and trying to be sneaky then, yeah, I am going to assume they are illegals. You are so hung up on race. You are such a blatant racist. Not the "let's go burn a cross" kind. But the soft kind of racist. The kind that says there are two types of Hispanics in America-victims of whitey or those who are going to be victimized by whitey and need liberal protection. YOU MADE THE ASSUMPTION A HISPANIC WITH A GUN WAS AN ILLEGAL. That is your racism. I assume a Hispanic or anyone else with a gun is a good citizen. Again, just like the illegal thread, you can anxiously try to throw stupid platitudes of racism at me, but you have exposed your distrust and racism against the folks you claim to care about. Go ahead. Point out my extremism. I just exposed yours.
Me a racist?
Dude, you're the one coming her constantly ranting about "them illegals" breaking into people's houses and property after they "cross over". Arizona is the state that has pased this biased law targeting illegals, which happen to be Mexicans (those of a Hispanic heritage). You come on here with this holier than thou attitude that "I see a brown skinned person as just another fine citizen in my city". Sorry, but I read right through you. Are you saying the local authorties would never pull over a vehicle that was stuffed with Hispanics driving down the road? Please. I've herad that Tuscon or Phoenix Sheriff talk on Fox News. He reminds me of Don Johnson who played the vigilante in the movie 'Machete'. If you haven't seen it, you need to rent a copy of it. It reeks of the mentality of Arizon and their residents.
 
bionicarm

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Originally Posted by mantisman51 http:///t/388457/this-cant-be-california-democratics-banned-it/120#post_3428578
So what? So most illegals here are Hispanic. The law is the same for all races and profiling is specifically prohibited. There was a lady working at the church I attended who was from England. She came on a 30 day tourist visa in 1983. She was pulled over for a danged expired tag. She didn't have proper documentation so they ran her ID and found out she was here illegally and she was turned over to BP and deported(to Mexico strangely enough). We have a huge Hispanic population in Arizona. Everyone is now required to carry some form of ID. The fact that we have so many illegals from Mexico is a problem. But everyone is treated the same. Strange how even though many parts of the law were allowed to go into effect, La Raza has not been able to find 1 case of Driving While Brown-and they have been looking hard. What ignorant(in the literal, not pejorative sense) people like Bionic don't seem to be able to grasp is that Hispanics make up the majority of law enforcement, Federal and state. You think they are workin' fo da whitey and are going to discriminate against Hispanics? That is the stupidest, racist thinking there could be.
I'm not Liberal, I'm a Centrist. You're not fooling anyone. The entire country knows why Arizona passed the law. Same reason Alabama did. Funny thing about Alabama, is now their farming industry is suffering for it because "Whitey" is too lazy to do a hard day's work for a pittance pay. I think it's hilarious. They get what they deserve. Arizona reeks of racism. Guess you forgot about how Arizona passed a law to refuse to recognize MLK Day as a national holiday. That ended up biting them in the rear when the NFL pulled the Super Bowl from Arizona. Seems they reversed that little law now didn't they. But NOOOO, it had nothing to do with race.
 
bionicarm

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Originally Posted by mantisman51 http:///t/388457/this-cant-be-california-democratics-banned-it/120#post_3428588
Yeah, I'm peeved! There's no war going on in Mexico. There's no drugs and violence crossing our border. There's no foreigners of any race coming here to commit crime and suck our resources dry. Nope! Just a bunch of crazy white people who just hate brown people and come up with laws to make it hard on them. Does that all sound logical to anyone but crazy leftists? Does anyone actually believe Hispanics live in fear in Arizona, just waiting to be the next victim of whitey? Does anyone on this board, but Bionic, actually think this? WTH is wrong with this country?
You. When that law first passed, there was a mass exodus of renters and manual labor workers from the major cities. Of course, pretty much all these individuals were the same Hispanics you claim don't live in fear. Same thing is going on in Alabama. There's even legal Hispanics living there that are pulling their kids from school, refusing to leave their homes because they think they may be targeted. You obviously live in your own little world with blinders on.
 
bionicarm

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Originally Posted by reefraff http:///t/388457/this-cant-be-california-democratics-banned-it/120#post_3428599
So bionic is the one who brings up race then calls someone else racist. Typical Liberal LOL!
Is the word Liberal the only word you wackos know? Anytime you want to insult someone that disagrees with your opinion, it's "Those Liberals." "Nothing but a bunch of Liberal polices". You wouldn't know a Liberal if they walked up and slapped you in the face. Well you Converts are no better. Your bassackward ideoligies are what's screwed this country for the last 10 years. You push your beliefs down everyone's throat, and when someone stands up to your idocy, you use your blanket "Liberal" term to deflect. The basic definition of Liberalism is the belief of liberty and equal rights. So wanting to defend a group of individuals who are a minority in this country is considered racism? If I was a racist, then I'd be all for sending every illegal back to Mexico where they belong. I'd despise the illegals just like you Right Wing Radicals do. You have no compassion for your fellow man. It's all about "ME". Stay away from MY stuff, MY money, MY life. Conservatism = Isolationism.
 
reefraff

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Originally Posted by bionicarm http:///t/388457/this-cant-be-california-democratics-banned-it/120#post_3428636
Is the word Liberal the only word you wackos know? Anytime you want to insult someone that disagrees with your opinion, it's "Those Liberals." "Nothing but a bunch of Liberal polices". You wouldn't know a Liberal if they walked up and slapped you in the face. Well you Converts are no better. Your bassackward ideoligies are what's screwed this country for the last 10 years. You push your beliefs down everyone's throat, and when someone stands up to your idocy, you use your blanket "Liberal" term to deflect. The basic definition of Liberalism is the belief of liberty and equal rights. So wanting to defend a group of individuals who are a minority in this country is considered racism? If I was a racist, then I'd be all for sending every illegal back to Mexico where they belong. I'd despise the illegals just like you Right Wing Radicals do. You have no compassion for your fellow man. It's all about "ME". Stay away from MY stuff, MY money, MY life. Conservatism = Isolationism.
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