Tiller the baby killer killed.

salty blues

salty blues

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Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/3055157
I really never even heard of the guy until this nutcase killed him. Was he doing abortions on third trimester fetuses? I personally don't agree with any abortion after the first trimester, unless the mother has life threatening medical reasons for doing it.
Unless you watch Fox News, it is very unlikely you would have heard much about "Dr" Tiller before he was expired, as all other outlets are not apt to run reports about controversial abortionists.
Also, I am wondering what changes your mind about abortion after the first trimester. I mean, do you think before the first trimester that there is some alien blob in the womb that suddenly changes into a developing human being after the first trimester?
 
nina&noah

nina&noah

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Originally Posted by beazalbob69
http:///forum/post/3055109
Why do you people that are against abortion give a crap one way of the other if a mother wants to abort her unborn child? ***-Sep
I tried to let this go, really I did.... I don't know why I continued to read this thread. Why did I even open it! Ok here I go....
I don't care what you do to yourself, and I don't care what the mother does to herself. I care about what she is doing to an innocent, young, defenseless life. It is deplorable for me to think about a woman killing the life that she is supposed to protect. IMHO people who are ok with late term abortions have never held a newborn baby in their arms or they don't have a heart. So pick one, which one are you? I can't imagine doing to babies what this man was doing, and what some of you think is okay. It makes me sick!
For the record, I'm not okay with him getting shot in church, but I'm not okay with what he was doing either. I think the real problem is that this craziness is legal in the first place.
 
nina&noah

nina&noah

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Originally Posted by salty blues
http:///forum/post/3055171
Unless you watch Fox News, it is very unlikely you would have heard much about "Dr" Tiller before he was expired, as all other outlets are not apt to run reports about controversial abortionists.
Also, I am wondering what changes your mind about abortion after the first trimester. I mean, do you think before the first trimester that there is some alien blob in the womb that suddenly changes into a developing human being after the first trimester?
OH why can't I let this go!!!!!!
Yes, that is exactly what I think. The baby is forming in the first trimester. The baby is not even considered a "fetus" until week 11. I can get more specific, but that would require me going and getting my "what to expect" books.
 
bionicarm

bionicarm

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Originally Posted by salty blues
http:///forum/post/3055171
Unless you watch Fox News, it is very unlikely you would have heard much about "Dr" Tiller before he was expired, as all other outlets are not apt to run reports about controversial abortionists.
Also, I am wondering what changes your mind about abortion after the first trimester. I mean, do you think before the first trimester that there is some alien blob in the womb that suddenly changes into a developing human being after the first trimester?
Women who have abortions after the first trimester usually do it for either medical reasons, or life changing events (divorce, loss of job, breakup of boyfriend, etc.). There's also been cases of women who didn't even know they were pregnant until the second trimester. Are these reasons moral and ethical? No. But for me, it's ultimately the woman's body for her to choose what to do with. Until a fetus comes out of the womb, it has no legal rights. That's what the law says. And if you change that law, you are doing it for religious purposes, plain and simple. Sorry, but religion and law don't mix. Relgious beliefs should never be used to decide a legal precedence. That's what starts civil wars within a country.
 
nina&noah

nina&noah

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Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/3055186
Women who have abortions after the first trimester usually do it for either medical reasons, or life changing events (divorce, loss of job, breakup of boyfriend, etc.). There's also been cases of women who didn't even know they were pregnant until the second trimester. Are these reasons moral and ethical? No. But for me, it's ultimately the woman's body for her to choose what to do with. Until a fetus comes out of the womb, it has no legal rights. That's what the law says. And if you change that law, you are doing it for religious purposes, plain and simple. Sorry, but religion and law don't mix. Relgious beliefs should never be used to decide a legal precedence. That's what starts civil wars within a country.

AHHHHHH that is the problem!!! The fact that it is legal!!! It is not about religion and law. It is about right and wrong. Just because you can't see the baby doesn't mean it doesn't have a right to live. Would you kill a newborn baby just because it's parents didn't want it. Of course not! Late term abortion is no different. Ok, I'm going to bed. I should have never opened this thread!!!!
 
reefraff

reefraff

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Originally Posted by uneverno
http:///forum/post/3055087
'cept they don't drive on the left in Europe.
Only England and Ireland.
Yeah, I should have said England. I was in Germany at the same time and they drive on the right side too. I tried to bribe the cab driver to let me drive on the Autobahn, I thought it was a decent bribe at the time, 40.00 US in 1988 but he wouldn't go for it. Oh well I can say I rode on the Autobahn.
 
reefraff

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IBTL
A couple people are just egging to get what has been a pretty good thread closed down
COOL IT!!!
 
t316

t316

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Seems the thread is steering sharply towards an abortion topic. IMO, this thread is about "murder". The murder of someone who was controversial. This would make the topic "vigilantism"....yes?
If this continues to follow the "abortion" road, we will never get anywhere (been there/done that), and the thread will probably be locked down before pg. 4.
 
t316

t316

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Originally Posted by Veni Vidi Vici
http:///forum/post/3055234
Justifiable Homocide,protecting those who arent able to protect themselves.

I didn't say that, just that it was a homicide, and in another sentence I agreed that some cannot protect themselves. I know your thought process Veni, but we disagree on the extent of vigilantism.
Since we have steered the topic...Should this guy get "life" or the "death sentence"?
 
veni vidi vici

veni vidi vici

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Originally Posted by T316
http:///forum/post/3055235
I didn't say that, just that it was a homicide, and in another sentence I agreed that some cannot protect themselves. I know your thought process Veni, but we disagree on the extent of vigilantism.
Since we have steered the topic...Should this guy get "life" or the "death sentence"?
10 hrs. of community service/commuted to service served.
"If"convicted
 
t316

t316

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Originally Posted by Veni Vidi Vici
http:///forum/post/3055239
10 hrs. of community service/commuted to service served.
"If"convicted
You are a funny guy

I think you even know that he will get more than that. I was steering more in the direction of the "death penalty". Personally, I oppose it. But not for the reasons one might think. I believe convicted murderers should fry, but having seen the costs that is associated with death row inmates, I propose that he serve "life". It's a fact that it is cheaper to the tax payers to keep him alive than it is to execute him (if convicted, as Veni points out).
 
stdreb27

stdreb27

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Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/3055167
Whose a Democrat? I actually voted for 'W'' back in 2000. Thought his political viewpoints and principles were much better than Gore's. Too bad I didn't have a crystal ball or Wayback Machine to see what the future held with him. When I vote for a President, I look at both candidates and which of their platforms will best benefit ME. Doesn't matter which party they run under. This last election, I was leaning towards voting for McCain, but then he nominated that nutcase Palin as his running mate. When he did that, I lost all respect for the man. He obviously put her on the podium to try and get the woman swing vote to counter Obama getting most of the minority votes. That blew up in his face the first time she opened her mouth and made that one glorious statement, ""You know what they say the difference is between a hockey mom and a pit bull? Lipstick!"
I'm going to have to call

on that one.
 
socal57che

socal57che

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Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/3055157
I really never even heard of the guy until this nutcase killed him. Was he doing abortions on third trimester fetuses? I personally don't agree with any abortion after the first trimester, unless the mother has life threatening medical reasons for doing it.
I was interested in the connection between Tiller and Obama's appointment of a pro abortion politician to the position of the nation's health and human services secretary.
I had been researching the money poured into her campaign by this guy and the protection he was receiving from her at a state level.
 
veni vidi vici

veni vidi vici

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Originally Posted by T316
http:///forum/post/3055241
You are a funny guy

I think you even know that he will get more than that. I was steering more in the direction of the "death penalty". Personally, I oppose it. But not for the reasons one might think. I believe convicted murderers should fry, but having seen the costs that is associated with death row inmates, I propose that he serve "life". It's a fact that it is cheaper to the tax payers to keep him alive than it is to execute him (if convicted, as Veni points out).
Seriously,if this guy is convicted of 1st degree murder he should get 15 years to life like most other murderers.No more no less.
 
t316

t316

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Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/3055167
This last election, I was leaning towards voting for McCain, but then he nominated that nutcase Palin as his running mate. When he did that, I lost all respect for the man. He obviously put her on the podium to try and get the woman swing vote to counter Obama getting most of the minority votes. That blew up in his face the first time she opened her mouth and made that one glorious statement, ""You know what they say the difference is between a hockey mom and a pit bull? Lipstick!"
So how's that working for you now?
I think "lipstick" not only would have been a little eye candy, but she just might have contributed to keeping us out of the situation that we are in
 
t316

t316

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Originally Posted by Veni Vidi Vici
http:///forum/post/3055250
Seriously,if this guy is convicted of 1st degree murder he should get 15 years to life like most other murderers.No more no less.
And with all due respect, that is possible, depending on the laws in that state. Public outcry "can" unofficially play a part, but if it's an issue in this jurisdiction, the case will probably be moved.
 
socal57che

socal57che

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Why is it ok to flip out when perfume is rested on a rat, but it's not ok to be vehement about killing unborn humans. People are so incredibly twisted. Sign some petitions banning the arial hunting of wolves in Alaska (which is already illegal) ... but disregard the thousands and thousands of unborn humans getting their brains sucked out and limbs ripped off. Some of these kids are removed alive and taken to a "dying room" until they stop kicking. The things I learned with a little research nearly made me puke. I'm serious, I had to shut my computer down and walk away.
Both parties were in the wrong. Killing Tiller just moves another baby killer into his place. (already happened, btw) Killing him just causes the world more grief.
People that oppose abortion need to invoke change by speaking out, choosing leaders who oppose abortion, writing letters to those who do not and by holding to their morals regardless of whether it's PC.
The more acceptable it is to harvest unborn humans, the more acceptable killing ourselves for no other reason than convenience becomes.
We are quickly declining to the point that knowledge will outgrow our compassion. I mean, really...100 years ago who would have thought that humans would be harvested for medical research, while rats are protected from perfume manufacturers?
 
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