ufos, need opions

rylan1

rylan1

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Originally Posted by Aztec Reef
It could be...but what would the experiment be? what are they confusing them from? Are UFO's just US SPY aircraft?
If that's the case, then guess where it will be a Great place to spy at? Afghanistan

I would like a "Real" and scientific explanation on all the ufo sightings all over the world(by the US air force)..There is plenty of rumors/sightings/proof about ufo's, so why doesn't the goverment realize..."Geezz, the people aren't that stupid, we've been caught on our "secret" experiments, we might as well tell the American people the Truth about UFO's". until this happends, THAN we can say UFO's are science fiction..

Well take all the sightings in the USA's SW area, there are said to be a few secret bases out there and other test sites. But why the cover-up if these are indeed real?
 
rbaldino

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Originally Posted by Rylan1
Evolution is harder to believe than creation.
And people wonder what's wrong with this country. Seriously, I'll take scientific data collected over the course of decades over some moldy old book and a burning bush any day.
 
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There is credible footage taken by space shuttle astronauts of a possible ufo. I've seen it a ton of times on Discovery.
Sometime in the 90's during a mission they were just filming out the window in space and there was a bright object travelling much faster than even the shuttle orbiting the earth. They film it for a few seconds it comes to a complete stop and then shoots off in a completely different direction at nearly the speed of light. An instant after it changes direction, a beam of light/laser? shoots from earth directly in the path where it would have traveled if it didnt change direction.
It was explained as a meteor but the way it changed direction and vastly multiplied its speed sure didn't seem like it was a hunk of rock. Someone should be able to find a link to it somewhere.
Here's just the 1st link i found, dont know about the site
http://www.unexplained-mysteries.com...kufs&tid=80803
 
pontius

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I believe in God, but I also believe in evolution (evolution isn't really a belief, it's a fact). I believe the big theory of evolution began when Darwin noted the same type of bird living in 2 very different climates. it's pretty well understood that polar bears were once grizzly bears that evolved for their climate. or that big cats (and even big sharks like great whites) were once much bigger but those bigger versions adapted (evolved) into the versions that we have today due to need. evolution is everywhere you turn. if one thinks evolution is hard to believe, then they are a fool.
 
1journeyman

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Folks, lets not turn this thread int oa discussion on God vs. Evolution or Evolution vs Adaptation. Stick to the topic at hand.
 
ric maniac

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Originally Posted by Rylan1
its flawed because they will take one bone and create an entire new speices. If you look at people today, you'll see people that suffer from disease or mutation. If 3000 years from today, a scientist found only these bones, and none of any other person from this time, they'd say he was a hominoid and a cousin to modern day humans. I just don't buy this arguement.
Second, even Darwin when describing the eye- said that there is no way that the eye evolved over time because of its complexity.
wow! i never thought of it like that. wait somethigns coming to me...... oh my gosh i've found a middle ground: god invented evolution!!!
 
rbaldino

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Originally Posted by 1journeyman
Folks, lets not turn this thread int oa discussion on God vs. Evolution or Evolution vs Adaptation. Stick to the topic at hand.
Actually, the existence of aliens (or their non-existence) can relate to discussions of religion and evolution, since belief in one can bring into question the theories of another. I don't think it's an unexpected or unwelcome evolution of the discussion.
 
rylan1

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Originally Posted by rbaldino
Actually, the existence of aliens (or their non-existence) can relate to discussions of religion and evolution, since belief in one can bring into question the theories of another. I don't think it's an unexpected or unwelcome evolution of the discussion.
I agree, the discussion can bring in these other factors that we constantly debate about. The possible existence of aliens however, does not prove that there is no God, but I do believe if there are no aliens it does give more credibility to the existence of God for those who need more evidence. I can't say that God did not create any other beings in the universe, so I honestly am not sure if they exist or not.
 
rylan1

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Originally Posted by rbaldino
And people wonder what's wrong with this country. Seriously, I'll take scientific data collected over the course of decades over some moldy old book and a burning bush any day.
I am not going to try to convert you here today, so we'll take the Bible out of it. To believe that this world and the universe was created simply out of chance is the biggest imaginable stretch you can make. If you look at our universe and all that Earth is and humans, you'll see how complex all these things are and that the living machines that we are could not be built without an architech/engineer. This is a world of laws and systems and these could not begin without something or someone being the catlyst or the creator. If the theory were true, why are species being coming extinct instead of evolving? I do beieve in science, but I believe God is seen through it, instead of those who just belief that science is god.
 
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Technically, theres a VERY strong argument that the "biggest imaginable stretch you can make" is that some all powerful omnipotent being snapped his fingers and created all this in 6 days

I'm curious though, if you dont believe in evolution, how do you explain the dinosaurs living 65-300 million years before god created the earth? Is there some lost book of the bible that took place more than 65 million years before Adam and Eve???
 
bigarn

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I think I got it figured out ... just like fishtanks are a hobby to us we're a hobby to the aliens. We use Damsels to cycle with and they're using us!
 
aztec reef

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So now its going religious.. here's the facts... God created the EARTH and Heavens and humans, animals ect..Everything else Evolved from there.. so God is the Science..that's it..no more.. Who are we to say that God didn't create the infinite Universe/Aliens ???.. that's Nonsense..
There might be far more Intelligent civilizations than us Humans , but there is no civilization or power grater more Intelligent than God..
Who are we to say how old earth or our solar system is?
Why is it that Science CANNOT GO before what the bibble says??
what is the science that created EARTH? if it evolved who made it evolved so perfectly? so that we humans can breath in our atmosphere and have the sun in the perfect spot ?
There has to be Evolution in order to be science..whithout evolution theres NO science...What is evolution? Mother nature.. who controls Mother nature? scientists?

"I'm curious though, if you dont believe in evolution, how do you explain the dinosaurs living 65-300 million years before god created the earth? Is there some lost book of the bible that took place more than 65 million years before Adam and Eve???"
i'm curious though, if YOU don't believe in God.. how did the Dinosaurs exist in the first place.. did they just happend to be part of Nature?? who's/what was their ancestors?? should we spect to find Dinos in other planets??
Everything about the bible is true. Although "there's no timelines", and there's no set date for the end of the world it's just a matter of time..the bible is something to take symbolic not Literally
 
aztec reef

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Originally Posted by 1journeyman
There have also been countless sightings of "Nessie", "Bigfoot" and the "Chupacabra".

show me footage..scientific articles, and a bunch of normal people talking about it..including Governors, such as the Governor of Arizona (who saw UFO in Arizona) and 1ooth's if not 1000'ths of civilians...and show me the US Goverment debunking this sightings
 
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sudc

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Originally Posted by Aztec Reef
So now its going religious.. here's the facts... God created the EARTH and Heavens and humans, animals ect..Everything else Evolved from there.. so God is the Science..that's it..no more.. Who are we to say that God didn't create the infinite Universe/Aliens ???.. that's Nonsense..
There might be far more Intelligent civilizations than us Humans , but there is no civilization or power grater more Intelligent than God..
Who are we to say how old earth or our solar system is?
Why is it that Science CANNOT GO before what the bibble says??
what is the science that created EARTH? if it evolved who made it evolved so perfectly? so that we humans can breath in our atmosphere and have the sun in the perfect spot ?
There has to be Evolution in order to be science..whithout evolution theres NO science...What is evolution? Mother nature.. who controls Mother nature? scientists?

"I'm curious though, if you dont believe in evolution, how do you explain the dinosaurs living 65-300 million years before god created the earth? Is there some lost book of the bible that took place more than 65 million years before Adam and Eve???"
i'm curious though, if YOU don't believe in God.. how did the Dinosaurs exist in the first place.. did they just happend to be part of Nature?? who's/what was their ancestors?? should we spect to find Dinos in other planets??
Everything about the bible is true. Although "there's no timelines", and there's no set date for the end of the world it's just a matter of time..the bible is something to take symbolic not Literally

Wait, i have to stop laughing so hard!!! Cant argue with that LOGIC!
Sorry, but if i want to read a long work of fiction, i'll read Lord of the Rings.
p.s- i notice your response had no explanation whatsoever for the discrepancies in time. If the bible is FACT as you say, the Earth was created and Adam and Eve were there from the very beginning, not dinosaurs. The earth is billions of years old so right there is FACT that the bible isn't all true as you claim.
 
aztec reef

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yeah dinos may have not been here at the same time as Adam and Eve (that doesn't mean that they weren't here before). that's how EARTH evolve, and that's what wiped out the dino age...NOw, what killed the dinos, and why aren't they still evolving??
 
renogaw

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what i'd like to know if the bible is all powerful is this:
god flooded the earth, and only a few people and animals survived. How is it that we forgot about the americas? how'd these animals that weren't in africa show up over here? how'd we have whole civilizations of people that didn't decend from noah?
 
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