ric maniac
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im not feelin the love anymore. lol
ufos, need opions
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rbaldino
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Originally Posted by Rylan1
I am not going to try to convert you here today, so we'll take the Bible out of it. To believe that this world and the universe was created simply out of chance is the biggest imaginable stretch you can make. If you look at our universe and all that Earth is and humans, you'll see how complex all these things are and that the living machines that we are could not be built without an architech/engineer. This is a world of laws and systems and these could not begin without something or someone being the catlyst or the creator. If the theory were true, why are species being coming extinct instead of evolving? I do beieve in science, but I believe God is seen through it, instead of those who just belief that science is god.
So wait, you say that God created everything but then admit that some species have gone extinct? Did he screw up on those ones or something? I thought he was perfect, and had this whole thing all planned out just right. Extinction is proof of evolution, because, for the most part, those species failed to evolve well enough or for long enough to survive their particular environment. Survival of the fittest, remember?
I seriously don't see how you could be involved in this hobby and observe all the different animals that we keep, how closely related some of them are, how some have evolved in different directions from common ancestors, and how some are so obviously adapted to certain environments, and not believe in evolution. That is the epitome of close-mindedness and ignorance.
I am not going to try to convert you here today, so we'll take the Bible out of it. To believe that this world and the universe was created simply out of chance is the biggest imaginable stretch you can make. If you look at our universe and all that Earth is and humans, you'll see how complex all these things are and that the living machines that we are could not be built without an architech/engineer. This is a world of laws and systems and these could not begin without something or someone being the catlyst or the creator. If the theory were true, why are species being coming extinct instead of evolving? I do beieve in science, but I believe God is seen through it, instead of those who just belief that science is god.
So wait, you say that God created everything but then admit that some species have gone extinct? Did he screw up on those ones or something? I thought he was perfect, and had this whole thing all planned out just right. Extinction is proof of evolution, because, for the most part, those species failed to evolve well enough or for long enough to survive their particular environment. Survival of the fittest, remember?
I seriously don't see how you could be involved in this hobby and observe all the different animals that we keep, how closely related some of them are, how some have evolved in different directions from common ancestors, and how some are so obviously adapted to certain environments, and not believe in evolution. That is the epitome of close-mindedness and ignorance.
aztec reef
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Originally Posted by renogaw
what i'd like to know if the bible is all powerful is this:
god flooded the earth, and only a few people and animals survived. How is it that we forgot about the americas? how'd these animals that weren't in africa show up over here? how'd we have whole civilizations of people that didn't decend from noah?
You need to take an Archeology class, they ended up there the same way the the continents ended up in their place..
what i'd like to know if the bible is all powerful is this:
god flooded the earth, and only a few people and animals survived. How is it that we forgot about the americas? how'd these animals that weren't in africa show up over here? how'd we have whole civilizations of people that didn't decend from noah?
You need to take an Archeology class, they ended up there the same way the the continents ended up in their place..
renogaw
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Originally Posted by Aztec Reef
yeah dinos may have not been here at the same time as Adam and Eve (that doesn't mean that they weren't here before). that's how EARTH evolve, and that's what wiped out the dino age...NOw, what killed the dinos, and why aren't they still evolving??
um... big comet, big dust cloud, ice age, dead dinos. also, some did evolve, into birds, mammals, and lizards, and some are still there such as horseshoe crabs and crocodiles.
yeah dinos may have not been here at the same time as Adam and Eve (that doesn't mean that they weren't here before). that's how EARTH evolve, and that's what wiped out the dino age...NOw, what killed the dinos, and why aren't they still evolving??
um... big comet, big dust cloud, ice age, dead dinos. also, some did evolve, into birds, mammals, and lizards, and some are still there such as horseshoe crabs and crocodiles.
aztec reef
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you got it wrong.. First the big comet, that was God creation of EARTH.. and yes he didn't wipe the whole world...he was so consistent that he wiped whatever had to be gone then.. the rest of animals yes they did evolve.. Give something water and food source and i'll bet it will evolve no matter what....
renogaw
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Originally Posted by Aztec Reef
You need to take a Archeology class, they ended up there the same way the the continents ended up in their place..
ok mr bible... when did noah happen? various stories between 13th century bc and 16th bc, or nearer to 3000 bc. most scientists agree that our continents broke apart over 6 million years ago...
EDIT: sry 600million
You need to take a Archeology class, they ended up there the same way the the continents ended up in their place..
ok mr bible... when did noah happen? various stories between 13th century bc and 16th bc, or nearer to 3000 bc. most scientists agree that our continents broke apart over 6 million years ago...
EDIT: sry 600million
renogaw
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Originally Posted by Aztec Reef
you got it wrong.. First the big comet, that was God creation of EARTH.. and yes he didn't wipe the whole world...he was so consistent that he wiped whatever had to be gone then.. the rest of animals yes they did evolve.. Give something water and food source and i'll bet it will evolve no matter what....
you really need to learn to read the bible. nothing says he threw a comet at Earth, the bible says he CREATED earth. i'd really love to know where your take on the creation theory is coming from.
you got it wrong.. First the big comet, that was God creation of EARTH.. and yes he didn't wipe the whole world...he was so consistent that he wiped whatever had to be gone then.. the rest of animals yes they did evolve.. Give something water and food source and i'll bet it will evolve no matter what....
you really need to learn to read the bible. nothing says he threw a comet at Earth, the bible says he CREATED earth. i'd really love to know where your take on the creation theory is coming from.
aztec reef
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Originally Posted by renogaw
ok mr bible... when did noah happen? various stories between 13th century bc and 16th bc, or nearer to 3000 bc. most scientists agree that our continents broke apart over 6 million years ago...
see, this is taking the bible literally..that's wrong..there's no date.. First of all the EARTH is alot older than 6 million years ago. The sun might be..around there but not EARTH..
It doesn't matter when the continents broke..is not something that happends in 24hrs..your talking about millions and millions of years process..after the comet.
ok mr bible... when did noah happen? various stories between 13th century bc and 16th bc, or nearer to 3000 bc. most scientists agree that our continents broke apart over 6 million years ago...
see, this is taking the bible literally..that's wrong..there's no date.. First of all the EARTH is alot older than 6 million years ago. The sun might be..around there but not EARTH..
It doesn't matter when the continents broke..is not something that happends in 24hrs..your talking about millions and millions of years process..after the comet.
rbaldino
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Originally Posted by Aztec Reef
you got it wrong.. First the big comet, that was God creation of EARTH.. and yes he didn't wipe the whole world...he was so consistent that he wiped whatever had to be gone then.. the rest of animals yes they did evolve.. Give something water and food source and i'll bet it will evolve no matter what....
This statement makes absolutely no sense, even for a creationist. God threw a big comet at Earth to wipe things out? And that's how he created Earth? But he didn't wipe out everything, just what he wanted to get rid of? So where'd the stuff he didn't wipe out come from? Seriously, next time you're flipping through the good book, put the bong down.
you got it wrong.. First the big comet, that was God creation of EARTH.. and yes he didn't wipe the whole world...he was so consistent that he wiped whatever had to be gone then.. the rest of animals yes they did evolve.. Give something water and food source and i'll bet it will evolve no matter what....
This statement makes absolutely no sense, even for a creationist. God threw a big comet at Earth to wipe things out? And that's how he created Earth? But he didn't wipe out everything, just what he wanted to get rid of? So where'd the stuff he didn't wipe out come from? Seriously, next time you're flipping through the good book, put the bong down.
rbaldino
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Originally Posted by Aztec Reef
see, this is taking the bible literally..that's wrong..there's no date.. First of all the EARTH is alot older than 6 million years ago. The sun might be..around there but not EARTH..
It doesn't matter when the continents broke..is not something that happends in 24hrs..your talking about millions and millions of years process..after the comet.
Wait, you think that Earth has been around longer than the sun? This keeps getting better...
see, this is taking the bible literally..that's wrong..there's no date.. First of all the EARTH is alot older than 6 million years ago. The sun might be..around there but not EARTH..
It doesn't matter when the continents broke..is not something that happends in 24hrs..your talking about millions and millions of years process..after the comet.
Wait, you think that Earth has been around longer than the sun? This keeps getting better...
aztec reef
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Originally Posted by renogaw
you really need to learn to read the bible. nothing says he threw a comet at Earth, the bible says he CREATED earth. i'd really love to know where your take on the creation theory is coming from.
the bible doesn't say that he's going to throw another comet to ended either.
you really need to learn to read the bible. nothing says he threw a comet at Earth, the bible says he CREATED earth. i'd really love to know where your take on the creation theory is coming from.
the bible doesn't say that he's going to throw another comet to ended either.
aztec reef
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Originally Posted by rbaldino
Wait, you think that Earth has been around longer than the sun? This keeps getting better...
Yes, sir.. Even the bible says:"the EARTH was without form and void and darkness was in the face of the deep"..
Wait, you think that Earth has been around longer than the sun? This keeps getting better...
Yes, sir.. Even the bible says:"the EARTH was without form and void and darkness was in the face of the deep"..
renogaw
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Originally Posted by Aztec Reef
It doesn't matter when the continents broke..is not something that happends in 24hrs..your talking about millions and millions of years process..after the comet.
Yes, i agree, but you told me to take an archeologist course. I'd love to know how god flooded the earth, killing EVERY HUMAN and ANIMAL on the planet around 3k BC, yet we had animals and humans in the americas when we "discovered" the continents in 1400's AD. if all the animals were on noah's ark, how do we have species of animals on the america's that are not indigeous (spelling?) to africa? Where did the aztec civilization come from (noting your login name)? where did all the Indian's come from? how'd they get over here from africa?
It doesn't matter when the continents broke..is not something that happends in 24hrs..your talking about millions and millions of years process..after the comet.
Yes, i agree, but you told me to take an archeologist course. I'd love to know how god flooded the earth, killing EVERY HUMAN and ANIMAL on the planet around 3k BC, yet we had animals and humans in the americas when we "discovered" the continents in 1400's AD. if all the animals were on noah's ark, how do we have species of animals on the america's that are not indigeous (spelling?) to africa? Where did the aztec civilization come from (noting your login name)? where did all the Indian's come from? how'd they get over here from africa?
saltn00b
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LOL oh sharkboy....
i stopped reading about 2 pages ago when you guys started getting into the theological debate. i dont have time to get into that, BUT
as for the photos:
the "Photos" in this thread are a text book example of trial and error.
photo 1) looked terrible. Use of a solid black background (or off-black) is totally unbelievable, folowed by the points of light themselves. these are taken from another actual photo that shark boy found on the internet, and did a very ugly cut and paste job at that. No attempts to blend the objects into the picture, and if you zoom in, for example using IE magnifying glass in the lower right hand corner to 400%, you can see the other stars in that photo getting cut off in a funny jigsaw pattern outlining the cluster of lights.
photo 2) oh everyone calls him out for the first photo being unbelievable, so he takes either a real photo of a night sky, or another grab from the internet and darkens that image to being near black. but once again, the hilariously sloppy copy and paste job. where are the rest of those stars? is it an outline of an interstellar ship? not today.
photo 3) people still cant see the "pines" , so low and behold, a new photo comes out.
this time its quite obvious there is a light night sky with the new light cluster. nice changes but still no cigar. the crappy copy and paste jobs are getting funnier, just keep zooming in to see what im laughing at over here. another mistake on this one is made apparent with the images being combined. how is it that the area of the light cluster is a clear, dark near black, with stars, while the surrounding pinkish night sky is of such low detail quality you can see the blocks of the jpeg compression, almost pixel by pixel, and yet the lights are much more detailed. must be some new kind of camera, sharkboy, awesome!
cant wait till the 4th attempt is published here as he will try to clean up the copy and paste jobs now that it has been pointed out.
id like to add i believe full well other life exists out there, so i am not saying this because i don't believe, but this is far from the proof.
i stopped reading about 2 pages ago when you guys started getting into the theological debate. i dont have time to get into that, BUT
as for the photos:
the "Photos" in this thread are a text book example of trial and error.
photo 1) looked terrible. Use of a solid black background (or off-black) is totally unbelievable, folowed by the points of light themselves. these are taken from another actual photo that shark boy found on the internet, and did a very ugly cut and paste job at that. No attempts to blend the objects into the picture, and if you zoom in, for example using IE magnifying glass in the lower right hand corner to 400%, you can see the other stars in that photo getting cut off in a funny jigsaw pattern outlining the cluster of lights.
photo 2) oh everyone calls him out for the first photo being unbelievable, so he takes either a real photo of a night sky, or another grab from the internet and darkens that image to being near black. but once again, the hilariously sloppy copy and paste job. where are the rest of those stars? is it an outline of an interstellar ship? not today.
photo 3) people still cant see the "pines" , so low and behold, a new photo comes out.
this time its quite obvious there is a light night sky with the new light cluster. nice changes but still no cigar. the crappy copy and paste jobs are getting funnier, just keep zooming in to see what im laughing at over here. another mistake on this one is made apparent with the images being combined. how is it that the area of the light cluster is a clear, dark near black, with stars, while the surrounding pinkish night sky is of such low detail quality you can see the blocks of the jpeg compression, almost pixel by pixel, and yet the lights are much more detailed. must be some new kind of camera, sharkboy, awesome!
cant wait till the 4th attempt is published here as he will try to clean up the copy and paste jobs now that it has been pointed out.
id like to add i believe full well other life exists out there, so i am not saying this because i don't believe, but this is far from the proof.
renogaw
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team2jndd said:Originally Posted by Aztec Reef
So now its going religious.. here's the facts... God created the EARTH and Heavens and humans, animals ect..Everything else Evolved from there.. so God is the Science..that's it..no more.. Who are we to say that God didn't create the infinite Universe/Aliens ???.. that's Nonsense..B]
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Thats a fact? You know for sure? Well congratulations, you are the first human being to find the true facts of our creation. Well now I feel bad for the millions of people who are out there spending billions on research when you have all the answers right here. Duh... I'd have never though to ask you about the facts before I set my beliefs. I forgot you've been around since the creation of time and have first hand knowledge. My appologies...
now that just sounds sarcastic
jtrzerocool
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im enjoying this
rbaldino
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Originally Posted by Aztec Reef
Yes, sir.. Even the bible says:"the EARTH was without form and void and darkness was in the face of the deep"..
And then he threw a giant comet at the formless void (where, apparently, some creatures were already living, some of which God wanted to get rid of). I thought that was Armageddon... Was Bruce Willis there? Wait, Bruce Willis is God!!!
Yes, sir.. Even the bible says:"the EARTH was without form and void and darkness was in the face of the deep"..
And then he threw a giant comet at the formless void (where, apparently, some creatures were already living, some of which God wanted to get rid of). I thought that was Armageddon... Was Bruce Willis there? Wait, Bruce Willis is God!!!