unions

[zman1]

Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/2880342
I was being sarcastic (i.e the Taco Vendor Union reference).
Sorry, once you leave the State of Texas for more than 2 years you're not allowed back. We keep trying to put up a wall around the New Mexico, Oklahoma, Arkansas, and Louisiana borders, but the Yankees keep tearing it down. If you fly in, you're required to have a State of Texas passport. I've submitted a petition to the State of Texas Immigration and Naturalization Office to revoke journey's passport. We took a vote and decided we don't want him back.
That's funny

A late friend/co-worker of mine always said "We have three markets; domestic, foreign, and Texas". The last one was always said with a sarcastic tone - The sales folks from Texas always complained the most about our pricing was too high, and they can't compete. The response was, we want someone to actually SELL the products and services, not give them away!
Maybe the sales commissions are too high! Never heard that complaint though...

 

[stdreb27]

Originally Posted by zman1
http:///forum/post/2880514
That's funny

A late friend/co-worker of mine always said "We have three markets; domestic, foreign, and Texas". The last one was always said with a sarcastic tone - The sales folks from Texas always complained the most about our pricing was to high and they can't compete. The response was, we want someone to actually SELL the products and services, not give them away!
Maybe the sales commissions are to high! Never heard that complaint though...
Ug I hate sales. I loved when they told us that they were basically taking us off of comission that it was a good thing because we wouldn't have the peaks and valleys that we typically had on comission. And instead just set our pay based off the valleys...

But that being said, texans (especially in rural areas) aren't as bad of a price point shopper. And actually put a value to service and willing to pay a bit more.

 

[zman1]

Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/2880342
I was being sarcastic (i.e the Taco Vendor Union reference).
Sorry, once you leave the State of Texas for more than 2 years you're not allowed back. We keep trying to put up a wall around the New Mexico, Oklahoma, Arkansas, and Louisiana borders, but the Yankees keep tearing it down. If you fly in, you're required to have a State of Texas passport. I've submitted a petition to the State of Texas Immigration and Naturalization Office to revoke journey's passport. We took a vote and decided we don't want him back.
That's funny

A late friend/co-worker of mine always said "We have three markets; domestic, foreign, and Texas". The last one was always said with a sarcastic tone - The sales folks from Texas always complained the most about our pricing was to high and they can't compete. The response was, we want someone to actually SELL the products and services, not give them away!
Maybe the sales commissions are too high! Never heard that complaint though...

 

[darthtang aw]

Originally Posted by Veni Vidi Vici
http:///forum/post/2880334
Carpenters will build the forms and then leave or do another task if there is one until the Concrete masons and Laborers are done .The General Contractor is the one that is in charge of setting and keeping the schedule.

If the concrete and mason people are behind, and you show up at the site, do you get paid for the hours you are not framing and such?

 

[veni vidi vici]

Originally Posted by Darthtang AW
http:///forum/post/2880536
If the concrete and mason people are behind, and you show up at the site, do you get paid for the hours you are not framing and such?
No, if we are not on site working then we dont get paid.

 

[1journeyman]

Originally Posted by Veni Vidi Vici
http:///forum/post/2879849
My official answer is this.
It is best if each and every individual decides for oneself if he/she and business would like to be a member or participating part of a union.I think Unions are good,but just because i think they are good i wouldn't presume to answer this question for 300 million American citizens.Just because i approve of Unions ,i dont presume that my opinion is the only one that exists in this great big world we live in.
So, based on this, you believe people should be able to work in companies and opt out of the company Union?

 

[1journeyman]

Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/2880342
I was being sarcastic (i.e the Taco Vendor Union reference).
Sorry, once you leave the State of Texas for more than 2 years you're not allowed back. We keep trying to put up a wall around the New Mexico, Oklahoma, Arkansas, and Louisiana borders, but the Yankees keep tearing it down. If you fly in, you're required to have a State of Texas passport. I've submitted a petition to the State of Texas Immigration and Naturalization Office to revoke journey's passport. We took a vote and decided we don't want him back.
Last time I checked, Texas still voted in agreement with more of my positions than yours...

 

[bionicarm]

Originally Posted by 1journeyman
http:///forum/post/2880626
Last time I checked, Texas still voted in agreement with more of my positions than yours...
You're right. We'll be kicking them out the next election. Rick Perry was never a true Texan in my eyes. He can move to Illinois and replace that great governor they have up there. They both pretty much think on the same lines anyway...
Perry's best line to date was when he made a response about the Hurricane Ike victims in Galveston being kept from going back home...
"I can sympathize with the displaced Hurricane Ike victims. I know how they feel, since I was recently forced to leave the Governor's Mansion due to the fire.."

 

[1journeyman]

Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/2880637
You're right...
I know.
Let's not even try to pretend Governor Perry is the only Republican from the State...
Texas is a bastion of Conservative values and the buckle of the Bible belt. The core principles that made The USA such a great Nation are what fueled the Texas fight for Independence and have made it such a great State. I'd love to see what the Texan founding fathers would say about Socialism and gun control.

Wanting to make it more liberal is a great example of what is wrong with the Nation as a whole. Take a great State, then corrupt it from the inside out...

 

[darthtang aw]

Originally Posted by Veni Vidi Vici
http:///forum/post/2880616
No, if we are not on site working then we dont get paid.
If you are on site waiting for work to be finished so you can start yours, do you get paid...if not, then your union sounds like how I believe a union should be ran.

 

[1journeyman]

Veni, btw...
While some here have been needlessly insulting, I know for me and many others our frustration is in the Union concept as a whole, not towards individual members.
To me, Unions today exemplify why manufacturing is dying in the USA.
Why are American products not bought more by Americans? Why do plants close here while flourishing overseas? Why has America become uncompetitive?

 

[stdreb27]

Originally Posted by 1journeyman
http:///forum/post/2880684
Why are American products not bought more by Americans? Why do plants close here while flourishing overseas? Why has America become uncompetitive?
America as a whole isn't uncompetitive. Especially in capital heavy industry. It is the labor heavy industry where we are slipping.

 

[1journeyman]

Originally Posted by stdreb27
http:///forum/post/2880735
America as a whole isn't uncompetitive. Especially in capital heavy industry. It is the labor heavy industry where we are slipping.
Exactly my point.
America used to be the leader in every way.
What has changed?

 

[veni vidi vici]

Originally Posted by 1journeyman
http:///forum/post/2880623
So, based on this, you believe people should be able to work in companies and opt out of the company Union?
If a company signs a union contract it is bound by the legal contract until it expires.If they want out after the contract expires they are free to do so.The employees can either go along with this or find another job.But most all the companies i work for continue to resign.Some leave and new one sign.

 

[veni vidi vici]

Originally Posted by Darthtang AW
http:///forum/post/2880659
If you are on site waiting for work to be finished so you can start yours, do you get paid...if not, then your union sounds like how I believe a union should be ran.
If we arent working then we dont get paid.I dosent matter if we are on site or not.No work no pay.

 

[stdreb27]

Originally Posted by 1journeyman
http:///forum/post/2880745
Exactly my point.
America used to be the leader in every way.
What has changed?
Just like the weather our economy is dynamic. Stuff that was profitable before may not be now. To use an example, pinball machines. In the 80's everyone and the dog was making pinball machines, now, it is a nitch market.

 

[1journeyman]

Originally Posted by Veni Vidi Vici
http:///forum/post/2880748
If a company signs a union contract it is bound by the legal contract until it expires.If they want out after the contract expires they are free to do so.The employees can either go along with this or find another job.But most all the companies i work for continue to resign.Some leave and new one sign.
But based on what you said Veni, why do people have to belong to a Union? Why can't a company function with Union and non union employees together?

 

[veni vidi vici]

Originally Posted by 1journeyman
http:///forum/post/2880684
Veni, btw...
While some here have been needlessly insulting, I know for me and many others our frustration is in the Union concept as a whole, not towards individual members.
I respect the views of others who have a non-union opinion.I don't run around calling non -union members scabs.I believe everyone has a right to earn a living.
Originally Posted by 1journeyman
http:///forum/post/2880684
To me, Unions today exemplify why manufacturing is dying in the USA.
I wouldn't argue for or against this,i don't know enough about it to comment.I will say this i don't consider my trade to be in the same category as say the UAW or any other type of factory work.
Originally Posted by 1journeyman
http:///forum/post/2880684
Why are American products not bought more by Americans? Why do plants close here while flourishing overseas? Why has America become uncompetitive?
It try and am encouraged by my Union to buy American.I will continue to do so union or non.

 

[reefraff]

What did the unions spend on political advertising this year? I know they planned on 53 million just against McCain. I think the total they planned for this election cycle was 142 million over all. That is in addition to the millions they spend lobbying.
Maybe as part of the next stimulus package Congress can suspend Union's ability to collect dues for a few months. It appears they are collecting quite a bit in excess dues

 

[veni vidi vici]

Originally Posted by 1journeyman
http:///forum/post/2880756
But based on what you said Veni, why do people have to belong to a Union? Why can't a company function with Union and non union employees together?
I dont believe everyone has to belong.But there is no way Union and non can work side buy side.It would at the very least cause strife between employees vs employees, employees vs employers for a number of reasons.