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1journeyman

1journeyman

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Originally Posted by reefraff
http:///forum/post/2876389
How would the evil ceo's get around that minimum wage thing?
More importantly, how would the CEO's get around the competition in a free market?
Unions place everyone one the same scale. The good employees languish next to the lazy and apathetic employee. Tell me how exactly that is good for productivity?
 
stdreb27

stdreb27

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You guys should be outraged UAW officers got pay raises a couple years ago, all skimmed off the top of the union worker's paycheck. And these poor workers are fixing to be out of a job...
 
veni vidi vici

veni vidi vici

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Originally Posted by stdreb27
http:///forum/post/2876958
What is going to happen when the company is going to go under because its costs are too high and people are price shopping and buying the cheaper foreign made product?

Have someone revisit the "Fair Trade Agreement" BTW how do the workers in Guatemala enjoy there pay and work conditions.I know they love it here.
 
sharkbait9

sharkbait9

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Originally Posted by AquaKnight
http:///forum/post/2876041
Hey! There's some of us in neck-ties that prefer cold ones to fruity-tooty drinks
(Granted, prefer microbrews or imported instead of Colorado kool-aid, but none the less)
i have to ask the off topic question. What is colorado kool-aid?
 
reefraff

reefraff

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Originally Posted by Bang Guy
http:///forum/post/2876934
I disagree to a degree. I would say that the lazy or incompetent workers you refer to are the ones that benefit MOST. I wouldn't say that workers doing it right do not receive any benefit, I think that's too broad of a brush. Not all unions operate like the UAW.
I was in the teamsters and the slugs made the exact same wages as those who applied themselves. I am not aware of a situation where a union allows merit pay. Under those circumstances I find it hard to believe any good worker is better off having to drag the dead weight behind them.
 
1journeyman

1journeyman

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Originally Posted by Veni Vidi Vici
http:///forum/post/2876968
Have someone revisit the "Fair Trade Agreement" BTW how do the workers in Guatemala enjoy there pay and work conditions.I know they love it here.
I suspect those with jobs are dang thankful...
 
veni vidi vici

veni vidi vici

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Originally Posted by stdreb27
http:///forum/post/2876962
If he can find someone to do the same job, with the same output and then ship it over here at a lower cost. Then you are overpaid...
Fortunately for me unless they figure out how to ship buildings im all good.
 
reefraff

reefraff

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Originally Posted by Veni Vidi Vici
http:///forum/post/2876951
Hmm whats gonna happen when you boss decides he can make more profit with Guatemalan workers?
Unions can't do anything about relocations. How do you strike a company that is in a different country?
 
stdreb27

stdreb27

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Originally Posted by Veni Vidi Vici
http:///forum/post/2876968
Have someone revisit the "Fair Trade Agreement" BTW how do the workers in Guatemala enjoy there pay and work conditions.I know they love it here.
lol, so your solution is change the terms of trade. You realise that makes people in Guatamala or other 3rd world and developing countries literally starve?
I think (I really do have first hand experience with a humanitarian aid group in Guatamala) that most people ther would love to have a job. I've seen people literally for a week over mountains (we are talking over 8,000 -10,000 ft high) to get the food and basic rudimentary treatment we were giving out...
 
veni vidi vici

veni vidi vici

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Originally Posted by reefraff
http:///forum/post/2876984
Unions can't do anything about relocations. How do you strike a company that is in a different country?
I work in the building trades im not concerned and im also not defending all unions,just the ones in my field.And i defend like this ,When a builder hires illegal immigrants we call Department of Immigration and strike. Effectively shutting down the job.
 
veni vidi vici

veni vidi vici

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Originally Posted by stdreb27
http:///forum/post/2876985
lol, so your solution is change the terms of trade. You realise that makes people in Guatamala or other 3rd world and developing countries literally starve?
I think (I really do have first hand experience with a humanitarian aid group in Guatamala) that most people ther would love to have a job. I've seen people literally for a week over mountains (we are talking over 8,000 -10,000 ft high) to get the food and basic rudimentary treatment we were giving out...
I really do feel for those people in third world countries,but.....
I have to look out for the ones im responsible for."Charity begins at Home"
 
reefraff

reefraff

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Originally Posted by Veni Vidi Vici
http:///forum/post/2876992
I work in the building trades im not concerned and im also not defending all unions,just the ones in my field.And i defend like this ,When a builder hires illegal immigrants we call Department of Immigration and strike. Effectively shutting down the job.
When my brother worked dry wall the illegals were a problem but at least they weren't kicking the ladders and scaffolds out from under American workers who dared to work non union jobs.
 
stdreb27

stdreb27

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Originally Posted by Veni Vidi Vici
http:///forum/post/2876996
I really do feel for those people in third world countries,but.....
I have to look out for the ones im responsible for."Charity begins at Home"
We aren't talking charity here. We are talking an attitude where we act in fear (of not finding another job) by stopping capitalism from working by changing terms of trade, to handicap a 3rd world country and kill the comparative advantage a starving country has. Labor. It is sad.
 
veni vidi vici

veni vidi vici

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Originally Posted by reefraff
http:///forum/post/2876999
When my brother worked dry wall the illegals were a problem but at least they weren't kicking the ladders and scaffolds out from under American workers who dared to work non union jobs.
Thats a tough one for me.I personally would try to stay away from that ,but i does happen.Fortunately not that often,once usually is a attention getter.
 
stdreb27

stdreb27

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Originally Posted by Veni Vidi Vici
http:///forum/post/2877005
Thats a tough one for me.I personally would try to stay away from that ,but i does happen.Fortunately not that often,once usually is a attention getter.
I'd hire a motivated illegal mexican over a lazy union guy anyday.
 
veni vidi vici

veni vidi vici

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Originally Posted by stdreb27
http:///forum/post/2877003
We aren't talking charity here. We are talking an attitude where we act in fear (of not finding another job) by stopping capitalism from working by changing terms of trade, to handicap a 3rd world country and kill the comparative advantage a starving country has. Labor. It is sad.
If we are talking 3rd world countries here you will get my heart felt sorrows.
If we are talking Capitalism ,ill ask you this.Does Capitalism only apply to the rich and the business owners or all Americans?
 
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