fish master
Member
there wouldnt be a minimum wage, we would all be working for that wage. that is just my point
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aquaknight
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No we wouldn't. People would simply not work. Lords know I wouldn't. Then someone would open a new business that promised 'fair pay' to it employees and everyone would leave the bad companies for this good one, both in the workplace, and the products/services they sell. The bad companies would be forced to change their ways. I still haven't seen why unions still exist. This isn't the 1930's. If a company did take advantage of it's employees, it would be all over the news in a matter of minutes.
fish master
Member
but all companys would be that way. just like overseas where they work for 3 dollars a day. there is no other company that would pay better. that is what unions have done. they have brought wages up. its about the people having a better life
fish master
Member
aquaknight you would have to work if you where going to feed your family?
fish master
Member
iam not trying to get people to vote for union or non union, i want people to see what union is about.
aquaknight
Active Member
The places where they work for $3 a day just haven't advanced as far as we have yet. Sure, if this was the 1930's like I said, I definitely felt the unions had their place back in the day. Today however, is much different story. Unions were a great building block and helped us get to where we are, but times have changed.
I guess if the scenario you describe did happen, and I had to feed my family, I could always consider starting my own business and pay employees fairly. Pretty sure people would be chomping at the bit to come onboard
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I guess if the scenario you describe did happen, and I had to feed my family, I could always consider starting my own business and pay employees fairly. Pretty sure people would be chomping at the bit to come onboard
fish master
Member
i agree, i thank the people before us to do that fore us, we have know idea what they went thru
jennythebugg
Active Member
personally i don't agree with unions i think in the beginning they were a good idea but their time has more than likely past seeing as how they have become so 'political'
bang guy
Moderator
Originally Posted by fish master
http:///forum/post/2876289
you havent read all of the thread banguy
OK, I just reread the thread. Nobody said anything about unions crashing the economy. You just made it up.
http:///forum/post/2876289
you havent read all of the thread banguy
OK, I just reread the thread. Nobody said anything about unions crashing the economy. You just made it up.
stdreb27
Active Member
Originally Posted by Rotarymagic
http:///forum/post/2875474
My workers are getting by just fine without a union... they look so happy!
Posing for the company picnic. Look at all those smiles!
With unions, these guys would be out of work... that'd be sad...
It would be. Kids without jobs below.
Originally Posted by fish master
http:///forum/post/2876200
people, it amazes me how blind people are. most people on this thread are beating up the unions for our economy. but they seem to forget about the ceos taking multi million dollar pay and bonuses as their companys are failing. its not the unions. car people hurt their selfs years ago by making 0 percent financing. when that started i told everyone that was going to hurt. now everyone has a newer car so for the last few years they havent sold many cars. so its not unions its the companys their selfs. what about the high insurance rates, high utilities,high fuel, high food, and what about wall street, all of these collage graduates committing fraud and are in trouble (read the news) they have rob us of billions. why is it you want to blame the little guy. i would think if i was a ceo of a company (college graduate) i would be smart enough to fix it before it broke.
Wow. You couldn't be more wrong.
http:///forum/post/2875474
My workers are getting by just fine without a union... they look so happy!
Posing for the company picnic. Look at all those smiles!
With unions, these guys would be out of work... that'd be sad...
It would be. Kids without jobs below.
Originally Posted by fish master
http:///forum/post/2876200
people, it amazes me how blind people are. most people on this thread are beating up the unions for our economy. but they seem to forget about the ceos taking multi million dollar pay and bonuses as their companys are failing. its not the unions. car people hurt their selfs years ago by making 0 percent financing. when that started i told everyone that was going to hurt. now everyone has a newer car so for the last few years they havent sold many cars. so its not unions its the companys their selfs. what about the high insurance rates, high utilities,high fuel, high food, and what about wall street, all of these collage graduates committing fraud and are in trouble (read the news) they have rob us of billions. why is it you want to blame the little guy. i would think if i was a ceo of a company (college graduate) i would be smart enough to fix it before it broke.
Wow. You couldn't be more wrong.
reefraff
Active Member
Originally Posted by fish master
http:///forum/post/2876395
there wouldnt be a minimum wage, we would all be working for that wage. that is just my point
The country has about a 12% union work force and shrinking every day. Minimum wage laws are all doing very well. If you study the rules unions force upon business it is obvious their first priority is to create more dues paying positions within the company, not increase workers pay.
When General Motors only punishment for a employee who clocked in and went to a bar was a 30 day suspension WITH PAY you know things are crazy. The only people who are better off because of a union in the work place are lazy or incompetent workers who are given the same pay and protection as those who do their jobs the right way,
http:///forum/post/2876395
there wouldnt be a minimum wage, we would all be working for that wage. that is just my point
The country has about a 12% union work force and shrinking every day. Minimum wage laws are all doing very well. If you study the rules unions force upon business it is obvious their first priority is to create more dues paying positions within the company, not increase workers pay.
When General Motors only punishment for a employee who clocked in and went to a bar was a 30 day suspension WITH PAY you know things are crazy. The only people who are better off because of a union in the work place are lazy or incompetent workers who are given the same pay and protection as those who do their jobs the right way,
stdreb27
Active Member
Originally Posted by fish master
http:///forum/post/2876395
there wouldnt be a minimum wage, we would all be working for that wage. that is just my point
hmm I definitely work in an industry that doesn't do unions at all. And I definitely make more than minimum wage.
http:///forum/post/2876395
there wouldnt be a minimum wage, we would all be working for that wage. that is just my point
hmm I definitely work in an industry that doesn't do unions at all. And I definitely make more than minimum wage.
bang guy
Moderator
Originally Posted by reefraff
http:///forum/post/2876925
The only people who are better off because of a union in the work place are lazy or incompetent workers who are given the same pay and protection as those who do their jobs the right way,
I disagree to a degree. I would say that the lazy or incompetent workers you refer to are the ones that benefit MOST. I wouldn't say that workers doing it right do not receive any benefit, I think that's too broad of a brush. Not all unions operate like the UAW.
http:///forum/post/2876925
The only people who are better off because of a union in the work place are lazy or incompetent workers who are given the same pay and protection as those who do their jobs the right way,
I disagree to a degree. I would say that the lazy or incompetent workers you refer to are the ones that benefit MOST. I wouldn't say that workers doing it right do not receive any benefit, I think that's too broad of a brush. Not all unions operate like the UAW.
veni vidi vici
Active Member
Originally Posted by jennythebugg
http:///forum/post/2876744
personally i don't agree with unions i think in the beginning they were a good idea but their time has more than likely past seeing as how they have become so 'political'
I think "government" was a good idea too,At one time it was a good thing but now.........We the people,By the people,For the people.......It didn't turn out that way in the" now" Same can be said about Union Heads who run the show,wherever there is big money there is always going to be some form of corruption or deal making,however this isn't just confined to unions.You have Lobbyist working for this Corp.or that Association....all in the name of money.
Let me use this as an example
rofessional Athletes,Now many of us will say "I cant believe he makes that much money for playing a game.That's just ridiculous" I say that Athlete is entitled to his fair share of the profits .And correct me if I'm wrong but i haven't seen any Team Owners on the street carrying a collection cup lately .Here is the twist.A new guy comes looking for a job hes not as experianced,needs a job and will work for a lot less/ he might even be from another country,so the owner decides to get rid of the higher paid guy that has given his all and made the company/team very profitable, but the owner does the math and decides to fire him. Without cause other than to make more money for himself.Is this fair to the employee?
Again I earn my modest amount money,My insurance and retirement fund is taken out of my negotiated salary by my union.Dollar for dollar it "shouldnt" cost more to buy a union built ,made,or preformed task.It is going to depend on how much profit the employer wants to make in a given amount of time.But its not going to come at the expense of me,the guy who has broken his back to make the company profitable.
http:///forum/post/2876744
personally i don't agree with unions i think in the beginning they were a good idea but their time has more than likely past seeing as how they have become so 'political'
I think "government" was a good idea too,At one time it was a good thing but now.........We the people,By the people,For the people.......It didn't turn out that way in the" now" Same can be said about Union Heads who run the show,wherever there is big money there is always going to be some form of corruption or deal making,however this isn't just confined to unions.You have Lobbyist working for this Corp.or that Association....all in the name of money.
Let me use this as an example
rofessional Athletes,Now many of us will say "I cant believe he makes that much money for playing a game.That's just ridiculous" I say that Athlete is entitled to his fair share of the profits .And correct me if I'm wrong but i haven't seen any Team Owners on the street carrying a collection cup lately .Here is the twist.A new guy comes looking for a job hes not as experianced,needs a job and will work for a lot less/ he might even be from another country,so the owner decides to get rid of the higher paid guy that has given his all and made the company/team very profitable, but the owner does the math and decides to fire him. Without cause other than to make more money for himself.Is this fair to the employee? Again I earn my modest amount money,My insurance and retirement fund is taken out of my negotiated salary by my union.Dollar for dollar it "shouldnt" cost more to buy a union built ,made,or preformed task.It is going to depend on how much profit the employer wants to make in a given amount of time.But its not going to come at the expense of me,the guy who has broken his back to make the company profitable.
stdreb27
Active Member
Originally Posted by Bang Guy
http:///forum/post/2876934
I disagree to a degree. I would say that the lazy or incompetent workers you refer to are the ones that benefit MOST. I wouldn't say that workers doing it right do not receive any benefit, I think that's too broad of a brush. Not all unions operate like the UAW.
I think we are arguing what is the norm. And of course there is always an exception to the norm.
http:///forum/post/2876934
I disagree to a degree. I would say that the lazy or incompetent workers you refer to are the ones that benefit MOST. I wouldn't say that workers doing it right do not receive any benefit, I think that's too broad of a brush. Not all unions operate like the UAW.
I think we are arguing what is the norm. And of course there is always an exception to the norm.
stdreb27
Active Member
Originally Posted by Veni Vidi Vici
http:///forum/post/2876942
I think "government" was a good idea too,At one time it was a good thing but now.........We the people,By the people,For the people.......It didn't turn out that way in the" now" Same can be said about Union Heads who run the show,wherever there is big money there is always going to be some form of corruption or deal making,however this isn't just confined to unions.You have Lobbyist working for this Corp.or that Association....all in the name of money.
Let me use this as an examplerofessional Athletes,Now many of us will say "I cant believe he makes that much money for playing a game.That's just ridiculous" I say that Athlete is entitled to his fair share of the profits .And correct me if I'm wrong but i haven't seen any Team Owners on the street carrying a collection cup lately .Here is the twist.A new guy comes looking for a job hes not as experianced,needs a job and will work for a lot less/ he might even be from another country,so the owner decides to get rid of the higher paid guy that has given his all and made the company/team very profitable, but the owner does the math and decides to fire him. Without cause other than to make more money for himself.Is this fair to the employee?
Again I earn my modest amount money,My insurance and retirement fund is taken out of my negotiated salary by my union.Dollar for dollar it "shouldnt" cost more to buy a union built ,made,or preformed task.It is going to depend on how much profit the employer wants to make in a given amount of time.But its not going to come at the expense of me,the guy who has broken his back to make the company profitable.
That is capitalism.
YOu shouldn't have priced yourself out of a job...
http:///forum/post/2876942
I think "government" was a good idea too,At one time it was a good thing but now.........We the people,By the people,For the people.......It didn't turn out that way in the" now" Same can be said about Union Heads who run the show,wherever there is big money there is always going to be some form of corruption or deal making,however this isn't just confined to unions.You have Lobbyist working for this Corp.or that Association....all in the name of money.
Let me use this as an example
rofessional Athletes,Now many of us will say "I cant believe he makes that much money for playing a game.That's just ridiculous" I say that Athlete is entitled to his fair share of the profits .And correct me if I'm wrong but i haven't seen any Team Owners on the street carrying a collection cup lately .Here is the twist.A new guy comes looking for a job hes not as experianced,needs a job and will work for a lot less/ he might even be from another country,so the owner decides to get rid of the higher paid guy that has given his all and made the company/team very profitable, but the owner does the math and decides to fire him. Without cause other than to make more money for himself.Is this fair to the employee? Again I earn my modest amount money,My insurance and retirement fund is taken out of my negotiated salary by my union.Dollar for dollar it "shouldnt" cost more to buy a union built ,made,or preformed task.It is going to depend on how much profit the employer wants to make in a given amount of time.But its not going to come at the expense of me,the guy who has broken his back to make the company profitable.
That is capitalism.
veni vidi vici
Active Member
Originally Posted by stdreb27
http:///forum/post/2876928
hmm I definitely work in an industry that doesn't do unions at all. And I definitely make more than minimum wage.
Hmm whats gonna happen when you boss decides he can make more profit with Guatemalan workers?
http:///forum/post/2876928
hmm I definitely work in an industry that doesn't do unions at all. And I definitely make more than minimum wage.
Hmm whats gonna happen when you boss decides he can make more profit with Guatemalan workers?
veni vidi vici
Active Member
Originally Posted by stdreb27
http:///forum/post/2876950
That is capitalism.
YOu shouldn't have priced yourself out of a job...
I dont think im over paid.I dont think im underpaid either.
http:///forum/post/2876950
That is capitalism.
I dont think im over paid.I dont think im underpaid either.
stdreb27
Active Member
Originally Posted by Veni Vidi Vici
http:///forum/post/2876951
Hmm whats gonna happen when you boss decides he can make more profit with Guatemalan workers?
I speak spanish, I'll figure something out. Plus I've lived in Guatamala. I think I have invaluable insite into business operations in Guatamala...
Or I find a new job... But made a decision (at lower pay) to work in a growing industry that isn't likely to outsource that much.
What is going to happen when the company is going to go under because its costs are too high and people are price shopping and buying the cheaper foreign made product?
http:///forum/post/2876951
Hmm whats gonna happen when you boss decides he can make more profit with Guatemalan workers?
I speak spanish, I'll figure something out. Plus I've lived in Guatamala. I think I have invaluable insite into business operations in Guatamala...
What is going to happen when the company is going to go under because its costs are too high and people are price shopping and buying the cheaper foreign made product?
stdreb27
Active Member
Originally Posted by Veni Vidi Vici
http:///forum/post/2876956
I dont think im over paid.I dont think im underpaid either.
If he can find someone to do the same job, with the same output and then ship it over here at a lower cost. Then you are overpaid...
http:///forum/post/2876956
I dont think im over paid.I dont think im underpaid either.
If he can find someone to do the same job, with the same output and then ship it over here at a lower cost. Then you are overpaid...